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Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

Was the United States founded on Christian principles?

  • Yes, it was.

    Votes: 18 41.9%
  • No, it wasn't.

    Votes: 25 58.1%

  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
Who says they have to be exclusive? Christians came here and established this country, what other principles would they use? Are you feeling okay?

Aren't Christian principles laid out in the Ten Commandments?
 
Aren't Christian principles laid out in the Ten Commandments?
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So you say that I ran from the thread because I asked a legitimate question. No one has answered that question. I ask another and you call me a troll. This is pathetic. It truly is.

It's obvious why you don't answer my questions.

Now call me a troll again and not substantiate your claim.
 
So you say that I ran from the thread because I asked a legitimate question. No one has answered that question. I ask another and you call me a troll. This is pathetic. It truly is.

It's obvious why you don't answer my questions.

Now call me a troll again and not substantiate your claim.

You are feeding the troll;)
 
Read the question, answer it, and give your reasons.

First of all, the people in this room could never agree on what Christian principles are.
Second of all, even the Founding Fathers couldn't agree on them.
But a lot of them despised organized religion.
 
As far as the list of the founder's religious institutions, we cannot readily verify that they were attending those churches because they "wanted to". We forget those were the days when attending church on sunday was a way to stay under the radar, so to speak.
 
As far as the list of the founder's religious institutions, we cannot readily verify that they were attending those churches because they "wanted to". We forget those were the days when attending church on sunday was a way to stay under the radar, so to speak.

It was a social network as well. After they did not have facebook.
 
This ability seems absent in most conservatives. Perhaps you are not what you claim. :2razz:

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain :cool:

You still didn't answer the question.

Well hold on...you asked for the definition of a 6th grade word and I provided it. If my definition didn't answer your question then perhaps you asked the wrong question? I've found that when people ask for definitions of basic words they are really trying to ask something else.

If "founded on" means "established", please explain how this relates, contextually, to the question in the OP. Does it mean that the US was based on Christian principles? Does it mean that the US was established because of Christian principles? Does it mean that the US is equated to Christian principles? The question is pretty complex.

The complexity you refer to escapes me as I've already answered this: The government is secular, the nation as a whole is Christian.

Principals exclusive to Christianity, such as accepting Jesus as your savior, the virgin birth, etc, are absent in the Constitution. This means the governing body is not Christian.

Principals exclusive to Christianity, such as accepting Jesus as your savior, the virgin birth, etc, were overt and dominant in the social institutions, every day behaviors, speech, history and traditions of the common man. This means the nation as a people were Christian.

There are a wide range of beliefs inside the core of Christianity when looking at this list. Your answer is a little vague. Can you be a little more specific?

Neither the DoI, Constitution, or any Federalist paper I can think of rely on any article of faith which is exclusive to any denomination. All of which, however, rely on the core principals of Christianity which each denomination in existence share with each other.

As no document is based on any denomination, I fail to understand why you believe the specific types of Christianity involved is relevant in any way.
That is clear. Thank you.

Just trying my best :2wave:
 
Jerry said:
The complexity you refer to escapes me as I've already answered this: The government is secular, the nation as a whole is Christian.

Principals exclusive to Christianity, such as accepting Jesus as your savior, the virgin birth, etc, are absent in the Constitution. This means the governing body is not Christian.

Principals exclusive to Christianity, such as accepting Jesus as your savior, the virgin birth, etc, were overt and dominant in the social institutions, every day behaviors, speech, history and traditions of the common man. This means the nation as a people were Christian.

Mr. Jerry,
We are not debating whether or not the nation (if you can consider there to be a consenting transcendent nation within United States borders) is Christian, as the majority of her people are.

WE ARE debating whether or not the United States is Christian.
 
What are the exclusive Christian principles?

Jerry offered up common principles. That would make it just as valid to say this country was founded on Buddhist principles or some other religion. Even secularists have values and principles.

Please quote and link to a founding document penned by a Buddhist, source the Buddhist population in the 13 colonies, or any post-Constitution codified regulation praising a Buddhist god.

I also notice that no one has addressed Tucker's points about the Greeks and Romans.

What point was this?

Do you know what the First Commandment is?

How is this question relevant?
 
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Mr. Jerry,
We are not debating whether or not the nation (if you can consider there to be a consenting transcendent nation within United States borders) is Christian, as the majority of her people are.

WE ARE debating whether or not the United States is Christian.

United States = "Nation".
 
I said you have been trolling the thread and posing your “questions” ala troll while ignoring everything and everyone that has addressed the topic. For example it would seem any literate person could at least gleam some sort of answer from Jerry’s posts as well as others. Yet for some reason you can’t quite bring yourself to stop the trolling and address the answers given DIRECTLY to your inane questions. Much less address the OP or topic, but ya sure got some Itroll material.

Prove my case? Which one, that you have not managed to address the OP? Can't be that because you have not done it.

OK Trolling 101:

The OP was “Read the question, answer it, and give your reasons.”

Your trolling:
What are these principles that are exclusively Christian?
I can't think of any.
Good luck. No one even attempted to answer my question about exclusive Christian principles.
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Yet, you just responded to my post that wasn't directed at you. :roll:
When you beat me, you gotta be fast. :2razz:
God haters? Who always pull this one out?
What are the exclusive Christian principles?

Jerry offered up common principles. That would make it just as valid to say this country was founded on Buddhist principles or some other religion. Even secularists have values and principles.

I also notice that no one has addressed Tucker's points about the Greeks and Romans.

Do you know what the First Commandment is?
Aren't Christian principles laid out in the Ten Commandments?

Any more “questions” about trolling? Because I noticed that while you were noting that nobody was responding to questions, you were not responding to questions yourself. Primarily the question the entire thread is based on. Circle jerky enough for you to get?

Let us give it the old college go! One more time from the frakin OP, for the “independent thinker”:
Read the question, answer it, and give your reasons.

Good luck, from all available evidence in this thread, you’re gonna need it.

Or keep trolling and feigning offense when the obvious is noted. You have that working full time for you.
 
Please quote and link to a founding document penned by a Buddhist, source the Buddhist population in the 13 colonies, or any post-Constitution codified regulation praising a Buddhist god.

The question isn't whether this nation was founded by Judeo-Christians. The question is the principles. It's like saying that Fords have seat belts so it's a Ford concept. It's not. All cars have that concept.


What point was this?

The concept behind Democracy is the principle of self determination. It comes from the Greek.

How is this question relevant?

Aren't the 10 Commandments Christian principles? Don't you see how the first commandment is in opposition to the first amendment?
 
I said you have been trolling the thread and posing your “questions” ala troll while ignoring everything and everyone that has addressed the topic. For example it would seem any literate person could at least gleam some sort of answer from Jerry’s posts as well as others. Yet for some reason you can’t quite bring yourself to stop the trolling and address the answers given DIRECTLY to your inane questions. Much less address the OP or topic, but ya sure got some Itroll material.

Prove my case? Which one, that you have not managed to address the OP? Can't be that because you have not done it.

OK Trolling 101:

The OP was “Read the question, answer it, and give your reasons.”

Your trolling:










Any more “questions” about trolling? Because I noticed that while you were noting that nobody was responding to questions, you were not responding to questions yourself. Primarily the question the entire thread is based on. Circle jerky enough for you to get?

Let us give it the old college go! One more time from the frakin OP, for the “independent thinker”:


Good luck, from all available evidence in this thread, you’re gonna need it.

Or keep trolling and feigning offense when the obvious is noted. You have that working full time for you.

In order to discuss the principles I asked for clarification of these principles. No one has done that.

You included a joke I made and a response to American's trolling. Other than that, no one has defined these principles we were founded on. You don't even attempt to but your frustration has you lashing out at me. Answer the question and we can move on. Or you can keep calling me a troll which will accomplish nothing. Your choice.
 
Then in your words please tell me what the United States' nation is.

Capt'n, how is that not trolling?

Seriously.

I'm supposed to believe that Arch doesn't know what a nation is? I'm supposed to believe that someone who hasn’t trusted my sourced opinions so far on this thread is suddenly going to start trusting those opinions for no reason?

Let's set aside the issue at hand for a moment. Capt'n, please tell me how Arch's question here is not trolling.
 
I also notice that no one has addressed Tucker's points about the Greeks and Romans.

I noticed that myself. It seems obvious that this country's foundation is in Democratic Republicanism. That is impossible to refute. Regardless of the religious demographics of those who built upon that foundation, the foundations was clearly built on the principles created by polytheists.

Now, did the founders incorporate Christian ideology into framework of the country as it developed? Of course.

Could you say it was if FOUNDED on these Christian principles? Of course not. That is an arrogant position only a person ignorant of the history of democracy and republicanism would take.

Without the foundation laid by Greeks and Romans, this country would never have came to be. Another country might have come to be, but not a Democratic Republic.

did you know that in the US, only one of the Catholic version of the 10 commandments is considered universally illegal in the US. That is theft. If you use a protestant version, we get two illegal commandemnts that are universally Illegal, murder and theft.

At worst 10% of those commandments are universally illegal in the US, at best, 20%.

Not very strong evidence of a "Christian foundation", if you ask me.

I'd say that certain Christian ideals were employed in the FRAMEWORK of the country, but it clearly wasn't of primacy.
 
Capt'n, how is that not trolling?

Seriously.

I'm supposed to believe that Arch doesn't know what a nation is? I'm supposed to believe that someone who hasn’t trusted my sourced opinions so far on this thread is suddenly going to start trusting those opinions for no reason?

Let's set aside the issue at hand for a moment. Capt'n, please tell me how Arch's question here is not trolling.

No,

seriously. I am interested in what your definition of the "United States Nation" is. It is highly relevant to the debate at hand, because I think you're going to have one hell of a difficult time defining the "United States Nation".
 
I noticed that myself. It seems obvious that this country's foundation is in Democratic Republicanism. That is impossible to refute. Regardless of the religious demographics of those who built upon that foundation, the foundations was clearly built on the principles created by polytheists.

Now, did the founders incorporate Christian ideology into framework of the country as it developed? Of course.

Could you say it was if FOUNDED on these Christian principles? Of course not. That is an arrogant position only a person ignorant of the history of democracy and republicanism would take.

Without the foundation laid by Greeks and Romans, this country would never have came to be. Another country might have come to be, but not a Democratic Republic.

did you know that in the US, only one of the Catholic version of the 10 commandments is considered universally illegal in the US. That is theft. If you use a protestant version, we get two illegal commandemnts that are universally Illegal, murder and theft.

At worst 10% of those commandments are universally illegal in the US, at best, 20%.

Not very strong evidence of a "Christian foundation", if you ask me.

I'd say that certain Christian ideals were employed in the FRAMEWORK of the country, but it clearly wasn't of primacy.

Now you're just trolling. :rofl

(Trolling now means destroying a flawed premise.)
 
As long as we're clear that that's only your personal belief, I take no issue with your contribution here because I don't take issue with beliefs.

Okay.

Every time an atheist says 'it's wrong to murder' they are evidencing the universality the moral core every healthy human shares.....and the truth of scripture, ironicly.

That's true I agree with that.


What can I say to that?

If my previous sources have no voice with you, then I have no reason to assume that additional sources could convince you either.

Oh I'm sorry I wasn't challenging you with that, I was just stating what I believe and trying to bring up a good point: the fact that atheism was almost unheard of back then. That was meant for everyone, sorry. :)
 
Just curious if any one has mentioned that it was the founding fathers who initiated the policy of separation of church and state? Since they are the ones that initiated it with the support of their constituents then why should anybody be surprised not to see heavy religious overtones in early government? Christianity was the primary religion at the time. Obedience to the laws of God and man were and are common sermon topics. It was already assumed by the early settlers that considering that the government was and would be made up of rank and file citizens that they voted for that Christian ideals and principles would be properly presented and supported in the government.

Our founding fathers began a system of the peoples will being represented in Government. In the beginning there was a Christian majority so it only makes sense the system that arose is as Tucker points out influenced by Christian ideals. The conflicts come today because now their are many different voices from many different cultures and religions who want their voice heard. But it seems those that complain the most are the non religious.

Moe
 
The question isn't whether this nation was founded by Judeo-Christians. The question is the principles. It's like saying that Fords have seat belts so it's a Ford concept. It's not. All cars have that concept.

According to your logic, the 10 commandments are not Christian because they are not exclusively Christian.

Don't you see how the first commandment is in opposition to the first amendment?

I see no opposition.

Please educate me.
 
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