Ok, lube up.....
United States
United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United Nations member states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And the last humiliation I'll make you suffer on this post:
The Pledge of Allegiance to the United States Flag
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That issue is now at rest. I will no longer entertain the idea that the US is not a nation. Please accept correction and proceed with the greater argument on Christian motivations.
You still fail to adhere to the general consent of Political Science, instead your strapped to your dictionaries, as if they were more credible then God herself.
1) I don't pledge allegiance, because they have bastardized the Pledge with the insinuation that God exists (again, another debate).
2) Most political scientists agree (if not all) that a Nation is a group of individuals with a common culture. A State/Country refers to a territory, or it could be referring to the actual government for the territory.
There can be MULTIPLE nations within a STATE. but not MULTIPLE STATES within a NATION. I know you are going to use the "but but but but but there's many states within the United States" however, each state is disenfranchised as working outside the confines of the Federal government, i.e. they cannot make treaties. So they are the arms and legs of the federal government.
You gave me the dictionary definition of the term (EUROPEAN TERM) of United States, however besides the obvious problem with the term not actually referring to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (which only has the term nation in it for Wikipedia. you know that great word-wide database that can be edited by everyone, and most professors do not allow it as a credible source) the implication that the United States is a nation is the implication that I share a similar culture with someone from.. let's say.... Texas.
Let me give you a real world example: I have a friend who lived a few miles away from me back in my hometown. He lived in a more urban setting, Durham, and he was black. According to your little definition, he and I are a part of the "Nation" that we "share common culture, etc." That's not true. I celebrate Christmas, he celebrates Hanukkah . I live in a post-industrial revolution family structure. His entire family lives with him. English is my first language, English is his second. We are both American. We both live in the same country, however our cultures are completely different.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/nation/index.htm said:
A nation is a large group of people with strong bonds of identity - an "imagined community," a tribe on a grand scale. The nation may have a claim to statehood or self-rule, but it does not necessarily enjoy a state of its own. National identity is typically based on shared culture, religion, history, language or ethnicity, though disputes arise as to who is truly a member of the national community or even whether the "nation" exists at all (do you have to speak French to be Québécois? are Wales and Tibet nations?). Nations seem so compelling, so "real," and so much a part of the political and cultural landscape, that people think they have lasted forever. In reality, they come into being and dissolve with changing historical circumstances - sometimes over a relatively short period of time, like Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia.
The concept of Nations is absolutely new.
Reply, as now I am completely absent-minded to what we were arguing in the first place.