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Have white people embraced what is "right"?

Have white people embraced what is "right"?

  • Yes

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • No

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • other opinion

    Votes: 9 45.0%
  • Total voters
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Hatuey said:
Not really.

Every other group has had cake.

Let me explain :

When the Irish, Italians, Germans, Jews, Polish etc etc were coming off boats they were given bread and hot soup. EVERY single group that came to America was greeted and told that this was their country and that opportunities were theirs even if they were discriminated against later and attacked for their heritage. None of them came to this country through the doggy door. All of them were told to keep their heads high when they were brought in by the boatload.

Blacks, even though they had been here working(slavery) and bleeding for America(Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WII, Korea AND Vietnam) since the days of the founding fathers and before, were told they did not have the same rights as the Irish, Italians, Germans, Jews etc etc up until somewhere in the last 50 years.

But hey. I hear German kids had it really bad because they got called Nazis.
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hatuey, I am not denying any of this or trying to downplay it. what I've been trying to say is that in response to the "embrace what is right" comment, I'm trying to think of all the "wrong" things embraced solely by whites in this country. every group has been guilty of discrimination and hatred against another group at some point in history. what have whites done that no other group in america has ever done? owned slaves. passed jim crow laws. put japanese in internment camps in the 40s. which of these circumstances makes rev. what's-his-face think that whites have not yet embraced right? slavery was abolished over 150 years ago. jim crow laws were far more recent, but still have been gone for decades and decades that I'm aware of. and yet white people, according to him, still haven't embraced right. I want to know why. is it because we are intrinsically racist? do we continue to persecute minorities in less conspicuous ways? there are still little pockets of racist rednecks, but there are pockets of racist people all over the country and always will be, some of whom are black, some of whom are asian, etc.

"whites will embrace what is right." I expect as many of us that will ever do that have already done it. and I kind of resent the implication that the majority of us haven't.
 
emdash said:
hatuey, I am not denying any of this or trying to downplay it. what I've been trying to say is that in response to the "embrace what is right" comment, I'm trying to think of all the "wrong" things embraced solely by whites in this country.
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They've already been pointed out. You only knew of slavery apparently. Segregation(i.e. 'Equal' but separate') What exactly is your issue?

every group has been guilty of discrimination and hatred against another group at some point in history.
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Irrelevant. I don't care what the British did to the Irish 500 years ago. Not my problem to be honest. It's theirs. I don't care what Arabs did to black Africans 300 years ago. Not my problem. My ancestors who came to this country are something however that I do find relevant. You'll be hard pressed to find many Irish and Scotts who don't hold grudges against the British going all the way back to the days of Braveheart. I've been to Irish bars where all they basically do is talk about how great Ireland is and how ****ty the British are. And most of them are born and raised here.

what have whites done that no other group in america has ever done? owned slaves. passed jim crow laws. put japanese in internment camps in the 40s.
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Same as above. To my knowledge

which of these circumstances makes rev. what's-his-face think that whites have not yet embraced right? slavery was abolished over 150 years ago. jim crow laws were far more recent, but still have been gone for decades and decades that I'm aware of. and yet white people, according to him, still haven't embraced right. I want to know why. is it because we are intrinsically racist? do we continue to persecute minorities in less conspicuous ways? there are still little pockets of racist rednecks, but there are pockets of racist people all over the country and always will be, some of whom are black, some of whom are asian, etc.

"whites will embrace what is right." I expect as many of us that will ever do that have already done it. and I kind of resent the implication that the majority of us haven't.
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Seems to me that in a country where people are still betting on the Bradley effect so that black politicians will lose races, the same country where people claim that blacks only vote for a black man because he's black(racism claiming racism) and where one of the major political parties uses the Southern Strategy as the blueprint for the way it campaigns - that there is AT LEAST one group of white people who hasn't embraced what is right. But like I said. His statement for the most part is racist and outdated in today's context.
 
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There is no denying the oppressions of the white past here in America. It's like beating a dead horse. And there is no getting toothpaste back into the tube. The whites of today recognize this and are making honest efforts to close that ugly chapter of history and go forth doing good.

But to bring it up at that place and time, beneath the flag of brotherhood and racial unity, to say the least, was in very poor taste.


There is still much work to be done on the front of all races. But the longest journey begins with the first step. Many steps were taken several decades ago and now, as a result, we are all walking side by side as equals in every respect. All of those steps led up to what happened last Tuesday.


There is still much to do. We must all do our part. And the "blame whitey" game is going to have to stop too if we want to continue to make progress and become what we are capable of becoming. All races have to rise above the past and look towards the future.
 
Maybe we could move towards a world where people dont think in these terms.Its a new dawn **** old white people and **** old black people.

Lets look at ourselves individuallly and stop using terms like my people.
 
Captain America said:
There is no denying the oppressions of the white past here in America. It's like beating a dead horse. And there is no getting toothpaste back into the tube. The whites of today recognize this and are making honest efforts to close that ugly chapter of history and go forth doing good.

But to bring it up at that place and time, beneath the flag of brotherhood and racial unity, to say the least, was in very poor taste.


There is still much work to be done on the front of all races. But the longest journey begins with the first step. Many steps were taken several decades ago and now, as a result, we are all walking side by side as equals in every respect. All of those steps led up to what happened last Tuesday.


There is still much to do. We must all do our part. And the "blame whitey" game is going to have to stop too if we want to continue to make progress and become what we are capable of becoming. All races have to rise above the past and look towards the future.
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Yeah, that's not gonna stop any time soon. Nor should it. I'd be pissed off too if my ancestors had spent the majority of their time in this country being **** on. Luckily enough they were Norwegian farmers who came here in 1915. For some reason no one really ****s on Norwegians except Swedes. ****ing Swedes...
 
RightOfCenter said:
Yeah, that's not gonna stop any time soon. Nor should it. I'd be pissed off too if my ancestors had spent the majority of their time in this country being **** on. Luckily enough they were Norwegian farmers who came here in 1915. For some reason no one really ****s on Norwegians except Swedes. ****ing Swedes...
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:rofl

Say it loud!
 
RightOfCenter said:
I'd be pissed off too if my ancestors had spent the majority of their time in this country being **** on.
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This is what most people don't seem to get when they tell blacks to just 'get over it' like our history in this country is a Punk'D episode or like we screwed a really ugly girl while drunk.
 
Hatuey said:
This is what most people don't seem to get when they tell blacks to just 'get over it' like our history in this country is a Punk'D episode or like we screwed a really ugly girl while drunk.
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Well, I'm not saying I want to actually do anything about it. But I'm kind of a sociopath like that.
 
RightOfCenter said:
Well, I'm not saying I want to actually do anything about it. But I'm kind of a sociopath like that.
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....yeah well your ancestors are Norwegian....wink neutrality wink.....
 
I think this Lowery guy was a stain on an otherwise great day.
For the rest of the day yesterday and most of the day today I had to hear from the Conservative talk radio people how racist this guy was and how they couldn't believe it.

Sheez sometime those people come close to making my head explode.
 
Hatuey said:
Not really.

Every other group has had cake.

Let me explain :

When the Irish, Italians, Germans, Jews, Polish etc etc were coming off boats they were given bread and hot soup. EVERY single group that came to America was greeted and told that this was their country and that opportunities were theirs even if they were discriminated against later and attacked for their heritage. None of them came to this country through the doggy door. All of them were told to keep their heads high when they were brought in by the boatload.

Blacks, even though they had been here working(slavery) and bleeding for America(Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WII, Korea AND Vietnam) since the days of the founding fathers and before, were told they did not have the same rights as the Irish, Italians, Germans, Jews etc etc up until somewhere in the last 50 years.

But hey. I hear German kids had it really bad because they got called Nazis.
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You obviously don't know a whole lot about Irish history when it comes to America and slavery.

Not very surprising though, it isnt exactly a popular topic. As news skeptics would say "It doesnt grab headlines"

I feel for American blacks. But to be honest, it's hard to give a **** anymore when people who were not even around during the "hard times" talk about it like I'm some kind of evil oppressor.

The only group I will tolerate listening to about hardships anymore are old Japanese people. Research it for a "glad I wasnt a part of that" moment.
 
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Shewter said:
You obviously don't know a whole lot about Irish history when it comes to America and slavery.

Not very surprising though, it isnt exactly a popular topic. As news skeptics would say "It doesnt grab headlines"

I feel for American blacks. But to be honest, it's hard to give a **** anymore when people who were not even around during the "hard times" talk about it like I'm some kind of evil oppressor.
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Which time?

This time?

Jim Crow laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws in the United States enacted between 1876 and 1965. They mandated de jure segregation in all public facilities, with a "separate but equal" status for black Americans and members of other non-white racial groups.

Some examples of Jim Crow laws are the segregation of public schools, public places and public transportation, and the segregation of restrooms and restaurants for whites and blacks. The U.S. military was segregated. These Jim Crow Laws were separate from the 1800-66 Black Codes, which had also restricted the civil rights and civil liberties of African Americans. State-sponsored school segregation was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States in 1954 in Brown v. Board of Education. Generally, the remaining Jim Crow laws were overruled by the Civil Rights Act of 1964[1] and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
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I'm sure you're not suggesting that there aren't any blacks older then 43 around.
 
If whites didn't embrace what's right he wouldn't be giving that speech
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True dat.
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No, "dat" is not "true".

If the matter had been left to white voters- and in particular, to white male voters- McCain would've been inaugurated yesterday.

Among white males, McCain won by a landslide.

And we all know that.
Don't try to take credit for generosity, broadmindedness, and general "do-gooding", when we all know that whites got their asses righteously kicked by the sheer numbers of minority voters that turned out this election, thanks in large part to Obama's grassroots community organizing skills, which a smirking Palin saw fit to belittle during the Republican National Convention ("Being a mayor is sort of like being a community organizer, except that a mayor has to do actual work.")

Whites are- at least so far- "embracing what's right" by being relatively good sports about having their asses kicked; after all, they made the rules of the democratic process. When somebody bests you at your own game, the only honorable course of action is to smile and congratulate them like you mean it.

So, as I said: to an extent.
 
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1069 said:
And we all know that.
Don't try to take credit for generosity, broadmindedness, and general "do-gooding", when we all know that whites got their asses righteously kicked by the sheer numbers of minority voters that turned out this election, thanks in large part to Obama's grassroots community organizing skills, which a smirking Palin saw fit to belittle during the Republican National Convention ("Being a mayor is sort of like being a community organizer, except that a mayor has to do actual work.")
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Life is ironic isn't it?
 
1069 said:
No, "dat" is not "true".

If the matter had been left to white voters- and in particular, to white male voters- McCain would've been inaugurated yesterday.
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Whites make up 74% of the US population. Your statement is intellectually dishonest.

1069 said:
Among white males, McCain won by a landslide. And we all know that.
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This is probably true, do you have the statistics? All I can locate is total white vote...

The Illinois senator won 43 percent of white voters, 4 percentage points below Carter’s performance in 1976 and equal to what Bill Clinton won in the three-man race of 1996. Republican John McCain won 55 percent of the white vote. - Exit polls: How Obama won - David Paul Kuhn - Politico.com

1069 said:
Don't try to take credit for generosity, broadmindedness, and general "do-gooding", when we all know that whites got their asses righteously kicked by the sheer numbers of minority voters that turned out this election, thanks in large part to Obama's grassroots community organizing skills, which a smirking Palin saw fit to belittle during the Republican National Convention ("Being a mayor is sort of like being a community organizer, except that a mayor has to do actual work.")
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I am not defending Palin, as I don't really care much about her. But your statement is only partially true as I have shown above.

As for his "grass roots organization skills." I can honestly say most minority's voted for him because he was a minority. I know it is not popular to say this, but it makes it no less true. To deny this is to lie.

I do think his organizational skills did help him in the primary's. It was quite exciting to see the way he and his people pulled it all together and made it work.

1069 said:
Whites are- at least so far- "embracing what's right" by being relatively good sports about having their asses kicked; after all, they made the rules of the democratic process. When somebody bests you at your own game, the only honorable course of action is to smile and congratulate them like you mean it.

So, as I said: to an extent.
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This smacks of bigotry at best.
 
americanwoman said:
Yes or no, why or why not.
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These kinds of questions.......sigh. White people fought in the Civil War to free blacks. White people marched in the civil rights marches. And in 2008......

According to the below CNN exit poll, 43% of whites surveyed voted for Obama, and they made up 74% of the sample.

So, given that 131.2 million total votes were cast in the 2008 presidential election, that would imply that 41.7 million white people voted for Obama, or about 60% of the 69.4 million people who voted for him.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

List of United States presidential elections by popular vote margin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Is Obama "right?" Kind of answers itself doesn't it?
 
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1069 said:
No, "dat" is not "true".

If the matter had been left to white voters- and in particular, to white male voters- McCain would've been inaugurated yesterday.

Among white males, McCain won by a landslide.

And we all know that.
Don't try to take credit for generosity, broadmindedness, and general "do-gooding", when we all know that whites got their asses righteously kicked by the sheer numbers of minority voters that turned out this election, thanks in large part to Obama's grassroots community organizing skills, which a smirking Palin saw fit to belittle during the Republican National Convention ("Being a mayor is sort of like being a community organizer, except that a mayor has to do actual work.")

Whites are- at least so far- "embracing what's right" by being relatively good sports about having their asses kicked; after all, they made the rules of the democratic process. When somebody bests you at your own game, the only honorable course of action is to smile and congratulate them like you mean it.

So, as I said: to an extent.
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Geeze louise. :roll:

As has been said without the white vote Obama wouldn't have won. Period. Yes the majority of whites did vote for McCain. That I won't deny. But by a landslide? Bullcrap. Take a look at the exit polls...

CNN Exit Polls

White men: 41% Obama: 57% McCain
White women: 46% Obama: 53% McCain
Black men: 95% Obama: 5% McCain
Black women: 96% Obama: 3% McCain
Latino men: 64% Obama: 33% McCain
Latino women: 68% Obama: 30% McCain
All other races: 64% Obama: 32% McCain

Here's the election polls for 2004...

2004 CNN Exit Polls

It doesn't break it down quite as well as they did this year but over all it was...

White: 58% Bush: 41% Kerry: 0 for Nader
African-American: 11% Bush: 88% Kerry: 0 Nader
Latino: 44% Bush: 53% Kerry: 2% Nader
Asian: 44% Bush: 56% Kerry: * Nader
Other: 40% Bush: 54% Kerry: 2% Nader

White Men: 62% Bush: 37% Kerry: 0 Nader
White Women: 55% Bush: 44% Kerry: 0 Nader
Non-White Men: 30% Bush: 67% Kerry: 1% Nader
Non-White Women: 24% Bush: 75% Kerry: 1% Nader

You were saying? Compare the numbers...what does it tell you? Tells me that Obama took some votes away from the republicans. Seems to me that whites aren't nearly as racist as you think. So do us a favor and take your

when we all know that whites got their asses righteously kicked by the sheer numbers of minority voters that turned out this election
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and shove it. Racism was not a factor among whites.
 
Hatuey said:
They've already been pointed out. You only knew of slavery apparently. Segregation(i.e. 'Equal' but separate') What exactly is your issue?
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please don't think that because I asked for your opinion I am at all anxious for your approval. if you don't want to talk about it, I'd be more than happy to drop this whole subject.

what is my issue? I think my post speaks for itself. interrupting after the first sentence to ask what I'm talking about is very annoying.

racism--in america from 1607-2009--is not and has not been limited to whites. segregation occurred between whites and blacks, but also between other minorities. slave ownership and jim crow laws are both obsolete, and yet whites have not yet embraced right? I want to know what's left for us to do.

Hatuey said:
Seems to me that in a country where people are still betting on the Bradley effect so that black politicians will lose races, the same country where people claim that blacks only vote for a black man because he's black(racism claiming racism) and where one of the major political parties uses the Southern Strategy as the blueprint for the way it campaigns - that there is AT LEAST one group of white people who hasn't embraced what is right. But like I said. His statement for the most part is racist and outdated in today's context.
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well if that's as bad as it gets then I really don't care much. nothing blacks can't handle. like you said, not my relatives, not my problem.
 
What the heck are you talking about . There is no universal thing such as

---what is right?

Issues, causes, solutions and problems, vary from situation to situation.

Most white people are basically good people. Most people no matter what their color, are good people.

whether I like or approve of a person is not ever based on their color or religion, it is based on their behavior toward me and the situations that we find ourselves in.
 
americanwoman said:
Yes or no, why or why not.
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LOL.

White Conservatives. Yes.
Black Conservatives. Yes.
Red Conservatives. Yes.
Yellow Conservatives. Yes.
Brown Conservatives. Yes.

White Socialists. No.
Black Socialists. No.
Red Socialists. No.
Yellow Socialists. No.
Brown Socialists. No.
 
zimmer said:
LOL.

White Conservatives. Yes.
Black Conservatives. Yes.
Red Conservatives. Yes.
Yellow Conservatives. Yes.
Brown Conservatives. Yes.

White Socialists. No.
Black Socialists. No.
Red Socialists. No.
Yellow Socialists. No.
Brown Socialists. No.
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Interesting. In this world you are either <insert color> conservative or socialist. No room for nothing else, eh?
 
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