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Are gun owners STILL paranoid?

Are gun owners STILL paranoid?


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Depends on the assault rifle, AK-series are full, most carbines issued now are burst fire, but Overall I see where you are going with the point.

Thanks, I should added the caveat "currently legal for sale in the US"
 
I do want to thank Disneydude however, he is a concrete example of the arguments against the second amendment and an smaller scale example of what we are up against, this should not be construed as an insult by any means, but it strengthens the point that we aren't paranoid about people wanting our guns, maybe not Disney specifically, but the more extreme side of the movement certainly does.
With the stated objectives of the people in power, its hard to see how the concern about the right to arms qualifies as 'paranoia' to any degree.

No one has posted a remotely entertainable argument to that effect, even those several people take that position.
 
You are taking a way too generic approach to the issue. Constitutional rights have never been completely unrestrict-"able".

Exactly. Listen to disney dude everyone. I agree with his sentiment. Its perfectly okay to restrict constitutional rights due to matters of security, such as the security issues allowing "assult" weapons cause...unless its done by the Bush Administrations and its not aimed at Guns, in which case restricting constitutional rights are absolutely unjust, traitorous, and are reason for impeachment and trial.

There is no 2nd amendment right to bear arms.

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Thanks, I should added the caveat "currently legal for sale in the US"
Sure thing, I was thinking overall military issues, but even the AK's can be fitted with restrictor pins for civilian usage, and then there are the G3s from Heckler and Koch, sweet rifle, but semi-auto, etc.
 
With the stated objectives of the people in power, its hard to see how the concern about the right to arms qualifies as 'paranoia' to any degree.
It's just a way to demonize people they disagree with to gain unearned credibility with the uninformed public.

No one has posted a remotely entertainable argument to that effect, even those several people take that position.
The problem is we have an educational system and biased media that turn out a bunch of unqualified citizens these days and they are the one's falling for the amateur arguments and tricks.
 
It's just a way to demonize people they disagree with to gain unearned credibility with the uninformed public.
That, and the midnset that if you do not agree with them, its because there's something wrong with you.
 
Everything Obama has said and done over the last year is straight out of the Saul Alinsky "Rules for Radicals" handbook. Seriously. Read it. You will be shocked at how identical it is to Obama's words and actions. This guy is a programmed Manchurian candidate for extreme Marxist ideologues-hence his countless horrifyingly extreme statements (routinely buried by the news media) and his repeated, extensive relationships with so many left-wing fanatics, terrorists, and bigots.

Unless Democrats follow through on their attack on the Constitution and silence their opponents with draconian abuses of power like the "Fairness" Doctrine and Card Check, this moment of power (manufactured by invented scandals and Democrat-created crises) will be nothing more than a road bump in the demise of their fringe, dying party.

Gun rights, speech rights, voting rights...all will remain under attack by this administration until we have an involuntarily one-party system.
 
Sure thing, I was thinking overall military issues, but even the AK's can be fitted with restrictor pins for civilian usage, and then there are the G3s from Heckler and Koch, sweet rifle, but semi-auto, etc.


There are a buttload of AK-47's in the U.S> both automatic and not.

You don't need to set a "Restrictor pin" there are AK's with semi-auto parts kits in them standard as well.

The gun itself was meant to be a machine gun however.
 
There are a buttload of AK-47's in the U.S> both automatic and not.

You don't need to set a "Restrictor pin" there are AK's with semi-auto parts kits in them standard as well.

The gun itself was meant to be a machine gun however.
All true, but if you buy a full auto it must be equipped with a restrictor unless it qualifies, at least that's my understanding. I still would rather get rid of the excessive regulations regarding full autos and make ownership efficient, I am willing to concede to the safety crowd that they should be in a different ownership category, however they must be accessible to responsible gun owners in order to honor the second amendment.
 
All true, but if you buy a full auto it must be equipped with a restrictor unless it qualifies, at least that's my understanding. I still would rather get rid of the excessive regulations regarding full autos and make ownership efficient, I am willing to concede to the safety crowd that they should be in a different ownership category, however they must be accessible to responsible gun owners in order to honor the second amendment.

You can't own a full auto capable A.K. without having a Class III FFL and live in the appropriate states. Oregon or Texas for example. It doesnt matter if you have placed an artifical restriction on its firing selector or even the internals. It has to be a semi-auto parts kit installed in the receiver for it to classify as the sport rifle that is sold across america.

I would rather not own one period, unless it WAS fully automatic. Compared to the AR series, they are junk. Some people find them fun, I would rather have a longer range rifle though.

I agree on the ownership category. I don't really see it as a huge issue for someone to have to go through the proper channels in order to ensure they are capable of using and owning a fully automatic firearm. But to restrict them to the public is silly.

Right now you cannot even buy/sell a machine gun (Which includes fully automatic rifles, heavy machine guns, sub-gun weaponry, automatic pistols, and any other firearm that is capable of an accelerated rate of fire while holding the trigger instead of having to pull the trigger for each shot to occur) legally, unless they were made before 1986.

That to me makes no sense.
 
You can't own a full auto capable A.K. without having a Class III FFL and live in the appropriate states. Oregon or Texas for example. It doesnt matter if you have placed an artifical restriction on its firing selector or even the internals. It has to be a semi-auto parts kit installed in the receiver for it to classify as the sport rifle that is sold across america.
I'm looking into that now, but that is what I have found so far, I want to get into auto fire sporting events eventually, so would love to get the class three, right now though it is prohibitively expensive.

I would rather not own one period, unless it WAS fully automatic. Compared to the AR series, they are junk. Some people find them fun, I would rather have a longer range rifle though.
No argument from me, the ARs are far better in semi-form, long ranges are great, and honestly all quality arms are fun in my opinion.

I agree on the ownership category. I don't really see it as a huge issue for someone to have to go through the proper channels in order to ensure they are capable of using and owning a fully automatic firearm. But to restrict them to the public is silly.
It's absolutely silly, which is what most people can't see.

Right now you cannot even buy/sell a machine gun (Which includes fully automatic rifles, heavy machine guns, sub-gun weaponry, automatic pistols, and any other firearm that is capable of an accelerated rate of fire while holding the trigger instead of having to pull the trigger for each shot to occur) legally, unless they were made before 1986.

That to me makes no sense.
It needs to be done in a way that prohibits no one from exercising the from legitimate ownership, if legitimacy takes one or two simple steps, it is the best compromise IMO.
 
I'm looking into that now, but that is what I have found so far, I want to get into auto fire sporting events eventually, so would love to get the class three, right now though it is prohibitively expensive.

I believe it is only around $100.00 a year for the Class III FFL/Tax Stamp. You just have to wait for the ATF to get the paper work done, and you've got to have a Law Enforcement Chief or similar official sign off on the request.

In Oregon they let you shoot the autos at the Police range, and encourage you to do so a few times so they can make sure you are completely comfortable with the weapons.
 
Ah, the lengths you will go to avoid having to admit that you do not know enough about a topic to discuss it and that you dont have the desire to rid yourself of your ignorance.

My position is abundantly clear to anyone that can read -- but you are too ignorant of the subject to discuss it intelligently.

Oh well.

boring....:yawn:
got anything new or are you just going to continue with the same old rehash from this morning?
 
I believe it is only around $100.00 a year for the Class III FFL/Tax Stamp. You just have to wait for the ATF to get the paper work done, and you've got to have a Law Enforcement Chief or similar official sign off on the request.
Really? I had heard estimates of around 5k, maybe some kind of first time fee? 100/yr isn't that bad. One thing I found is that you have to go in as a dealer or collector, but collector is obvious. Thanks for the info.

In Oregon they let you shoot the autos at the Police range, and encourage you to do so a few times so they can make sure you are completely comfortable with the weapons.
That's definitely a good thing for law enforcement to adress, will have to see where my state is on that.
 
boring....:yawn:
got anything new or are you just going to continue with the same old rehash from this morning?
You aren't willing or able to engage in the discussion as it has been presented to you?
So noted.
 
You aren't willing or able to engage in the discussion as it has been presented to you?
So noted.

Give it up dude.....everyone following saw you do your little song and dance....it got boring....you can only watch the shuffle for a short time before it just becomes routine....:yawn:
 
Give it up dude...
I have -quite- given up on the idea that you are capable of an intelligent, informed debate on the subject.

You refuse to shed your ignorance. No more need be said.
 
I have -quite- given up on the idea that you are capable of an intelligent, informed debate on the subject.

You refuse to shed your ignorance. No more need be said.

You put your right foot in...you put your right foot out......
You put your right foot in and you shake it all about....:doh
 
You put your right foot in...you put your right foot out......
You put your right foot in and you shake it all about....:doh
I expect nothing less from someone that knows he cannot carry his poistion or effectively counter one presented to him, but doesn't have the honesty to admit it.

Willfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest -- lets hope those arent your -good- qualities.
 
I expect nothing less from someone that knows he cannot carry his poistion or effectively counter one presented to him, but doesn't have the honesty to admit it.

Willfully ignorant and intellectually dishonest -- lets hope those arent your -good- qualities.

You do the hokey-pokey and you turn yourself around...
That's what it's all about :mrgreen:
 
You put your right foot in...you put your right foot out......
You put your right foot in and you shake it all about....:doh
:monkey :2dance: :bootyshake

:applaud
 
I expect nothing less from someone that knows he cannot carry his poistion or effectively counter one presented to him, but doesn't have the honesty to admit it.
I'm still waiting for a defense to the "appeal to the court" charge, I reasonably laid out why agendas can prevail over the law with a slight majority, and I still get that interpretist answer. I disagree with him so obviously I don't understand.:roll:
 
Really? I had heard estimates of around 5k, maybe some kind of first time fee? 100/yr isn't that bad. One thing I found is that you have to go in as a dealer or collector, but collector is obvious. Thanks for the info.

That's definitely a good thing for law enforcement to adress, will have to see where my state is on that.

As an Individual wanting to own Class 3 toys : Find a class 3 dealer in your state, purchase the item you want, submit the NFA transfer paperwork, fingerprints, photos and the one time $ 200 transfer tax...and wait up to 3 months for approval.

The $200.00 fee has to be paid EVERY time you transfer EACH machine gun. And once again, remember you can only buy a machine gun manufactured before 1986.

So you can get say, an original G3, AK47, old M16's, Original UZI, Thompson, Mac series, etc.

But be warned: Original Thompsons are around 20 grand minimum... just for reference.
 
Yeah...because a ban on assault weapons sooooo infringes on your ability to have hunting rifles or even handguns in your home....:roll::doh

That is as stupid as saying that a ban on Roman Catholic churches doesn't deny anyone religious freedom because they can go to Episcopal cathederals or Luthern houses of worship.
 
Sure it is....just like banning incindiary speech....reasonable restrictions on weapons such as assault weapons is a moderate and constitutional restriction, even with the composition of todays Supreme Court.

you-like most ARC's confuse possession with use. incidiary speech is USE-just as shooting a rifle in the center of town is a USE.
 
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