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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%

  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%

  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Total voters
    64
bhkad said:
Explain Jesus. Or Moses. Or Job. They were all singled out, weren't they?
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No, they are not the specifically a child of God. They are merely messengers.
 
EgoffTib said:
I think the Old Testament is barbaric.
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I differ.. The old testament is not barbaric at all.. Its a solid moral collection of principles that all human kind ought to follow.. Have you read the whole OT and understood it??

If you still think its barbaric, then you also find Judaism barbaric..
 
Laila said:
No, Should I?
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Bahá'í teachings emphasize the underlying unity of the major world religions. Religious history is seen to have unfolded through a series of divine messengers, each of whom established a religion that was suited to the needs of the time and the capacity of the people. These messengers have included Krishna, Abraham, the Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad and others, including most recently Bahá'u'lláh. In Bahá'í belief, each messenger taught of the next, and Bahá'u'lláh's life and teachings fulfill the end-time promises of previous scriptures. Humanity is understood to be involved in a process of collective evolution, and the need of the present time is for the gradual establishment of peace, justice and unity on a global scale.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I differ.. The old testament is not barbaric at all.. Its a solid moral collection of principles that all human kind ought to follow.. Have you read the whole OT and understood it??
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Principles like stone your children when they misbehave? Behead those who worship false idols? Please. It's a joke.

If you still think its barbaric, then you also find Judaism barbaric..
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Judaism is a religion based around a book I find to be barbaric and archaic.
 
That sounds interesting, a prophet comes according to the time of need? So does that mean another one will be coming soon?
 
Laila said:
That sounds interesting, a prophet comes according to the time of need? So does that mean another one will be coming soon?
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I think they believe that Bahá'u'lláh was the final prophet. I just thought you might find it interesting, since you seem to be a student of religion/spirituality. They also have over 5 million members worldwide.
 
EgoffTib said:
Principles like stone your children when they misbehave? Behead those who worship false idols? Please. It's a joke.
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Like everything you adapt it to modern times.. Anyways I cannot remember any place in the bible where it says you should stone your children if they misbehave.

EgoffTib said:
Judaism is a religion based around a book I find to be barbaric and archaic.
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So you thing Judaism is barbaric? They follow the old testament, but its perhaps the least barbaric religions of all.

Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Like everything you adapt it to modern times.. Anyways I cannot remember any place in the bible where it says you should stone your children if they misbehave.
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If you are going to adapt it to modern times, why use it at all? We could write a much more relevant and acceptable piece of literature in this day and age.

So you thing Judaism is barbaric? They follow the old testament, but its perhaps the least barbaric religions of all.
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I said that the OT is barbaric. Do Jews kill all non-believers? Do they sell their daughters into bondage or stone their children?
 
EgoffTib said:
If you are going to adapt it to modern times, why use it at all? We could write a much more relevant and acceptable piece of literature in this day and age.
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I dont think we could..

EgoffTib said:
I said that the OT is barbaric. Do Jews kill all non-believers? Do they sell their daughters into bondage or stone their children?
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Jews follow the old testament.. Its perfect proof that following the old testament in the correct way is non barbaric, actually anti-barbaric. The old testament also talks about Satan and his evil, that doesnt mean you should follow that, it means you should avoid it. You have to interpret the OT correctly.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I dont think we could..
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Really? You do not think we have the capability to one up a book full of violence, bigotry, scientific misunderstanding, hyperbole accepted as fact and general ignorance? :shock:


Jews follow the old testament.. Its perfect proof that following the old testament in the correct way is non barbaric, actually anti-barbaric. The old testament also talks about Satan and his evil, that doesnt mean you should follow that, it means you should avoid it. You have to interpret the OT correctly.
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This is a lost cause....
 
EgoffTib said:
Really? You do not think we have the capability to one up a book full of violence, bigotry, scientific misunderstanding, hyperbole accepted as fact and general ignorance? :shock:
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Whats more ignorant than the people of this time? Whats more hypocrite and extreme than the people living right now? What s more violent than our society now? How about scientific misunderstandings of today? We put far to much weight on scientific principles which are based on old theories which again is based on old theories, mostly all "facts" eventually prove wrong and change, yet in this day and time, we put an enormous weight on what we conceive as facts, and less so on philosophy. What about general ignorance of today? Its wild and untamed. We think we are not ignorant, but yet we are.. Who would you put on the task of writing such a book? What possible reason would there be for your choice? And what league of people would agree on that.. And SO on and so on..

I dont think we could do it now no.. Things such as that have to be from divine intervention and understanding, not a forced attempt.


Eventually 5000 years from now the ideas of the old testament could prove far more viable and intelligent than any thoughts we have at this day and age.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
Whats more ignorant than the people of this time? Whats more hypocrite and extreme than the people living right now? What s more violent than our society now? How about scientific misunderstandings of today? We put far to much weight on scientific principles which are based on old theories which again is based on old theories, mostly all "facts" eventually prove wrong and change, yet in this day and time, we put an enormous weight on what we conceive as facts, and less so on philosophy. What about general ignorance of today? Its wild and untamed. We think we are not ignorant, but yet we are.. Who would you put on the task of writing such a book? What possible reason would there be for your choice? And what league of people would agree on that.. And SO on and so on..

I dont think we could do it now no.. Things such as that have to be from divine intervention and understanding, not a forced attempt.
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What are you smoking? Name one thing in the Bible that could not have been written without divine intervention to aid in the process.
 
EgoffTib said:
What are you smoking? Name one thing in the Bible that could not have been written without divine intervention to aid in the process.
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The books of Moses.. Those were just centuries ahead of time.. Actually we havent even caught up to that way of thinking yet.

Anyways, my last thread was more proof that we should not attempt to write such work at this day and age, it would certainly be a waste and a horror..

Do you not agree with what I write in my previous post?
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
The books of Moses.. Those were just centuries ahead of time.. Actually we havent even caught up to that way of thinking yet.

Anyways, my last thread was more proof that we should not attempt to write such work at this day and age, it would certainly be a waste and a horror..

Do you not agree with what I write in my previous post?
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I completely disagree. The Bible was written after Hammurabi's Code.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
How can that be when the Israelies came from Egypt? Anyways, the books of Moses is from about the exact same time.
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Not according to most mainstream scholars.

There's about 1000 years between them. Even assuming Mosaic authorship, there is still about 500 years between them making the Hammurabi's Code older.
 
EgoffTib said:
Care to prove that one? Hammurabi's Code was written in 1760 BCE
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Care to prove what? The Israelis did come from Egypt, they were slaves there and were released. 1391 BC, sorry, had the timing confused because of Abraham.

Anyways it highly unlikely Moses ever had contact with the Hammurabi code when he came from Egypt, all the way across on the other side of the "known" world.

I doubt Egypt adopted the code of a rival faction in just 500 years and adopted those so that Moses would have learned it from them.
 
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