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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%

  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%

  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Total voters
    64
Personally, religions shouldn't have any 'narrow' goal, such as to convert or kill...
It should be to make the world a better* place (I must be sounding very ideal right now ;))

Whether it states it in the Koran or not, texts like those brought by Walleye should be re-interpreted, no matter how straightforward, because religions, as I said before, should be used as a tool to make the world a better* place.

All religious beliefs should be directed to the sole goal of making the world a better* place to live in. If not, than one should reinterpret that belief or passage of text differently.


* denotes that the term 'better' can understandably be interpreted in many different ways.
 
JoeMama said:
Personally, religions shouldn't have any 'narrow' goal, such as to convert or kill...
It should be to make the world a better* place (I must be sounding very ideal right now ;))

Whether it states it in the Koran or not, texts like those brought by Walleye should be re-interpreted, no matter how straightforward, because religions, as I said before, should be used as a tool to make the world a better* place.

All religious beliefs should be directed to the sole goal of making the world a better* place to live in. If not, than one should reinterpret that belief or passage of text differently.


* denotes that the term 'better' can understandably be interpreted in many different ways.
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What do you mean by "reinterpret"?
 
JoeMama said:
* denotes that the term 'better' can understandably be interpreted in many different ways.
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Hmmm... that's true. "Better" can be interpreted many different ways.

Theoretically, one such way that people can interpret making the world a better place could be killing all people who are not part of your religion. It's not like most religions haven't promoted that idea at some point in their histories :2razz:
 
walleye said:
What do you mean by "reinterpret"?
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An example would be some of the stories in the Bible. Do you take the Flood and Noah's Ark at face value? Or do you see it as a story from which to take a moral?
 
If Islam has a main goal, it would seem logical that it would be to convert.

Doesn't make sense to kill possible converts.

Seems like parts of Islam that are controlled by a particular minister are acting strange, but this is mean that all of Islam is trying to harm us.

We could easily ask the same question of American Christianity main goal:
is it to captivate, convert or kill?
 
EgoffTib said:
An example would be some of the stories in the Bible. Do you take the Flood and Noah's Ark at face value? Or do you see it as a story from which to take a moral?
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You took the words right outa my mouth.

There are scores of parables and non-literal phrases in the Bible that if you took literally could wind you up in odd situations.

Another example is circumcision, it says to take the 'foreskin of your heart' that would kill you if you did that...so you re-interpret it.
 
walleye said:
You didn't answer my question.

What does the Koran say to do to people who leave Islam?
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You go around preaching anti-Islam and you haven't even read the Koran.. Now how can I ever have a debate with someone like you about Islam, with a bunch of Koran quotes you found online, which in 90% of the cases aren't accurate quotes.

PS.. I am not Muslim, but I have read the Koran for educational purposes.
 
Tort

"Tort"
EgoffTib said:
An example would be some of the stories in the Bible. Do you take the Flood and Noah's Ark at face value? Or do you see it as a story from which to take a moral?
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The bible and qurayn are taken from the same fabric for genetic religions, to secure a city state for the preservation of the (eponymous) patriarchal lineage, through tradition and laws.
 
EgoffTib said:
An example would be some of the stories in the Bible. Do you take the Flood and Noah's Ark at face value? Or do you see it as a story from which to take a moral?
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I take it at face value because it is proven by geological science. There are also records of other cultures mentioning a great flood.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
You go around preaching anti-Islam and you haven't even read the Koran.. Now how can I ever have a debate with someone like you about Islam, with a bunch of Koran quotes you found online, which in 90% of the cases aren't accurate quotes.

PS.. I am not Muslim, but I have read the Koran for educational purposes.
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You still haven't answered my question.

What does the koran say to do to people who leave Islam?
 
walleye said:
I take it at face value because it is proven by geological science. There are also records of other cultures mentioning a great flood.
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Sigh... Do you get your information from Answers in Genesis?
 
walleye said:
You still haven't answered my question.

What does the koran say to do to people who leave Islam?
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I am not debating this until you have answered my question..

It says people are not allowed to leave the faith btw..
 
Re: Tort

Monk-Eye said:
"Tort"
The bible and qurayn are taken from the same fabric for genetic religions, to secure a city state for the preservation of the (eponymous) patriarchal lineage, through tradition and laws.
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I concur. Sadly, there is a large group of people in America who view the Bible as a completely factual historical document.
 
EgoffTib said:
Sigh... Do you get your information from Answers in Genesis?
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Sigh.....I get my answers from science, the bible, geological scientists, etc.

If you want to refute the fact that there is geological evidence of a world-wide flood the please do so and we can debate it. Go for it.
 
walleye said:
Sigh.....I get my answers from science, the bible, geological scientists, etc.

If you want to refute the fact that there is geological evidence of a world-wide flood the please do so and we can debate it. Go for it.
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If you believe in the old testament, then how can you believe in Jesus or the new testament? Thats just my question.. Because they are incompatible..
Love and all that is great, but its not related to moral laws and code.
 
Mythical Attempts At Cosmological Science

"Mythical Attempts At Cosmological Science"
walleye said:
I take it at face value because it is proven by geological science. There are also records of other cultures mentioning a great flood.
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Science proposes a huge flood from comets.

In Egyptian mythology, Hathor (Pronounced Hwt-Hor) (Egyptian for house of Horus) was originally a personification of the Milky Way, which was seen as the milk that flowed from the udders of a heavenly cow.

The Milky Way was seen as a waterway in the heavens, sailed upon by both the sun deity and the moon, leading the ancient Egyptians to describe it as The Nile in the Sky. Due to this, and the name mehturt, she was identified as responsible for the yearly inundation of the Nile. Another consequence of this name is that she was seen as a herald of imminent birth, as when the amniotic sac breaks and floods its waters, it is a medical indicator that the child is due to be born extremely soon.

Ogdoad Cosmogeny
The first version of the myth has the entity arising from the waters after the interaction as a mound of dirt, the Milky Way, which was deified as Hathor. In the myth an egg was laid upon this mound by a celestial bird. The egg contained Ra. In the original version of this variant, the egg is laid by a cosmic goose.
 
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walleye said:
Sigh.....I get my answers from science, the bible, geological scientists, etc.

If you want to refute the fact that there is geological evidence of a world-wide flood the please do so and we can debate it. Go for it.
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I created a thread in the Religion and Philosophy section so that we would not clutter this thread.
 
Directed to: Walleye, Egofftib and Maximus...

I think I see a misunderstanding regarding the whole "Noah for face value" controversy.

When egofftib said that you can't take it for face value, it was on the premiss that there is no evidence of it.

If there was evidence, I think egofftib would agree that there is more to it than some parable, that there may also be some historical implications.

He (egofftib) brought the Noahs ark story because off the top of his head, that would seem to be one of the most incredulous stories in the bible that could not be taken for face value, especially if it didn't come with some evidence.

But Walleye, if there is evidence, Noahs ark isn't a good example, and take my example of circumcision. How it says to cut the 'foreskin of your heart' - when we know that we'd die from that, so we re-interpret

*egofftib, i hope you don't mind that I spoke for you...:3oops:
 
American said:
Islam's main goal is to kill everyone who isn't muslim. That should be plain enough for everyone to understand.
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Is that your media's brainwashing effect ?
Excuse me, but it seems that you know nothing about Islam, please get some Info and then come to debate.
 
walleye said:
You still haven't answered my question.

What does the koran say to do to people who leave Islam?
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After some advising, kick out of the country or kill him, he choose.
but now adays they are left alone because they are such a smallx100 minority, they had been treated like this in the ancient times because Muslims were'nt a majority, so that law was made that time to save the small minorities of Muslims.
 
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