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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%

  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%

  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%

  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%
  • Total voters
    64
Ahmed Shaheen said:
All of Muslims Denounced those horrible acts, not because they are done by Muslims that means that Muslims are terrorists or something, Binladen is our first enemy because he is the one responsible of Distorting the Image of Islam with that argument "We are killing in the name of Allah" , here am telling you binladen, you are a ****in moron.

Concerning the passengers, According to witnesses in the hotel where the terrorist slept before their attack, they called for "Whores" in their last night, that mean that they'd commited "adultery" which is the biggest sins in Islam, I will look soon for the source. In my opinion, wether they'd slept with whores or not, they still are hated by Muslims for Distorting the Image of us as a Muslims.

And about the 3000 that had been killed, they were containing Muslims (how ever their number was) and of course the 4 terrorists knew that well, in which verse of Islam had they been told to kill other Muslims.
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No, all of the muslims did not denounce that act. Muslims were dancing in the streets in some places.

Is adultery a bigger sin than murder?
 
EgoffTib said:
So you are assessing a faith with over a million members by only looking at the negative aspects of their faith... Interesting. What faith do you subscribe to? Maybe I should turn a blind eye to the good deeds of your faith while focusing solely on the blemishes and barbarism.
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Murder is not part of my faith. I am a Christian. Killing to further islam is part of Islam. Saheed just admitted it. The Koran admits it. There is nothing about Christianity that states it is okay to murder to further Christianity. You go ahead and find the blemishes and barbarism of Chrsitianity. Go for it.
 
walleye said:
Murder is not part of my faith. I am a Christian.
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Killing was a part of your faith. So your faith is better than his because it has been around longer and matured? :roll:

There is nothing about Christianity that states it is okay to murder to further Christianity.
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Please, you cannot honestly believe this. Let me jog your memory:

Exodus 22:20 - He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

So anyone who does not believe in the Christian God should be destroyed. Therefore, nonbelievers would be murdered and Christianity would be furthered. See where I'm going with this one?

You go ahead and find the blemishes and barbarism of Chrsitianity. Go for it.
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I do not think you really want me to, but I shall oblige:

Exodus 31:14 - Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Deuteronomy 3:3 - So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining.

Deuteronomy 9:3- Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.
 
walleye said:
Murder is not part of my faith. I am a Christian. Killing to further islam is part of Islam. Saheed just admitted it. The Koran admits it. There is nothing about Christianity that states it is okay to murder to further Christianity. You go ahead and find the blemishes and barbarism of Chrsitianity. Go for it.
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you are talking like if Islam is all murdering and killing, thats what your media is showing to you, I bet that you'd never looked or tried to study the real teachings of Islam.

While looking in the translated Suras in to English, I found many translation mistakes, can't blame you for that, an one who'll read those bad translated suras will think bad of Islam.
 
Ahmed Shaheen said:
you are talking like if Islam is all murdering and killing, thats what your media is showing to you, I bet that you'd never looked or tried to study the real teachings of Islam.

While looking in the translated Suras in to English, I found many translation mistakes, can't blame you for that, an one who'll read those bad translated suras will think bad of Islam.
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I am sure he gets his all of his "facts" on your religion from IHateIslam.com
 
walleye said:
No, all of the muslims did not denounce that act. Muslims were dancing in the streets in some places.

Is adultery a bigger sin than murder?
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Oh really ! you mean those dancing palestines, dont tired yourself, I'd allready opened the youtube and saw them, the situation there is ****ed up because you know that the US is supporting Israel, so Palestinians considers that America is responsible for their murder, can you find anyone else ?

Adultery is the second biggest sin after murder Unjustly, however I don't consider those terrorists as Muslims.
 
Subversion

"Subversion"
Ahmed Shaheen said:
People who harms us in anyway deserve to die, whats wrong for that to be legal in a religion ?
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"People who harms us in any way deserve to die."; perhaps you had better gain a greater command of the english language; for, such generalizations which lack specificity are either purposeful or negligent.

You have yet to clarify such questionable undertones.

There is a saying, "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you find a big stick!"
 
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Monk-Eye said:
"Subversion"
"People who harms us in any way deserve to die."; perhaps you had better gain a greater command of the english language; for, such generalizations which lack specificity are either purposeful or negligent.

You have yet to clarify such questionable undertones.

There is a saying, "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'nice doggy' until you find a big stick!"
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Sorry mom, I promise to do better :roll:
 
EgoffTib said:
Killing was a part of your faith. So your faith is better than his because it has been around longer and matured? :roll:



Please, you cannot honestly believe this. Let me jog your memory:

Exodus 22:20 - He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

So anyone who does not believe in the Christian God should be destroyed. Therefore, nonbelievers would be murdered and Christianity would be furthered. See where I'm going with this one?



I do not think you really want me to, but I shall oblige:

Exodus 31:14 - Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Deuteronomy 3:3 - So the LORD our God delivered into our hands Og also, the king of Bashan, and all his people: and we smote him until none was left to him remaining.

Deuteronomy 9:3- Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.
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Murder is not part of my faith. One of the 10 commandements says to not murder. You are mistaken. You are confusing judgement with murder. When you break a commandment of God the judgement is death. That is not murder. Murder is when you kill an innocent person. In Deuteronomy God was judging. That is what will happen to everyone who does not believe in the living God. God was displaying his judgment for sin. That is not murder. That is justice. God also gives mercy and that is found in Jesus. Jesus is the way out of judgment because he took it. Islam is a false religion.

My faith does not teach murder. Islam does. Jesus is the God of Christianity and Jesus says to love you enemies and to love your neighbor. Islam teaches to kill the unbeliever. One of the religions is a lie and I believe it is Islam.
 
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Ahmed Shaheen said:
And when was that mentioned in Koran ?
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The Kuran in Surah 9.5. states " after the forbidden months have passed, slay the unbelievers wherever you find them; capture them, torture them, besiege them, prepare every stratagem of warfare against them...").
 
walleye said:
The Kuran in Surah 9.5. states " after the forbidden months have passed, slay the unbelievers wherever you find them; capture them, torture them, besiege them, prepare every stratagem of warfare against them...").
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I love how misquoted and out of context that is.

Why not read the lines before that or at least include them?

Give these rejecters the glad tidings of a painful punishment, except those polytheists who have not dishonored their treaties with you and have not aided anyone against you. With these, fulfill your treaties till the appointed term. Indeed, God loves the righteous.
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Then look at 9:7:
“How can there be any responsibility of these agreements on God and His messenger, except those with whom you made agreements at the Sacred Mosque? Thus, so long as they uphold their part of the treaty, you should uphold yours. Indeed God loves the righteous.”
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Btw, this entire Sura was regarding the treaty of Hudaibiyah.
 
Degreez said:
I love how misquoted and out of context that is.

Why not read the lines before that or at least include them?



Then look at 9:7:


Btw, this entire Sura was regarding the treaty of Hudaibiyah.
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The bottom line is it says to kill and torture the unbelievers. That is not "out of context". This shows what kind of man Mohammed was compared to Jesus. This also shows why Islam is a religion of hate and murder. There is nothing taken out of context about that.
 
walleye said:
The bottom line is it says to kill and torture the unbelievers. That is not "out of context". This shows what kind of man Mohammed was compared to Jesus. This also shows why Islam is a religion of hate and murder. There is nothing taken out of context about that.
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Where does it say any of that? Do you not know how to read? :roll:

This ayat:
When the sacred months are over, slay the polytheists wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them
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is in reference to the Quraish tribe (Polytheists - idol worshippers) who had made a treaty with the Muslims, but negated that treaty and aided others to fight against Muslims in Mecca. This is affirmed in the ayat before the one quoted above:

... except those polytheists who have not dishonored their treaties with you and have not aided anyone against you. With these, fulfill your treaties till the appointed term. Indeed, God loves the righteous.
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And it's not wise to compare Muhammad to Jesus. During Jesus' time he was considered a Jewish blasphemer. I suggest reading this book:
The 100 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
walleye said:
My faith does not teach murder. Islam does. Jesus is the God of Christianity and Jesus says to love you enemies and to love your neighbor. Islam teaches to kill the unbeliever. One of the religions is a lie and I believe it is Islam.
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Hah, if i followed Christianity. I'd look in the mirror before attacking any other religion on violence.
Christianitys Number 1 speciality.
 
Laila said:
Hah, if i followed Christianity. I'd look in the mirror before attacking any other religion on violence.
Christianitys Number 1 speciality.
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I dont really want to say Christians are dumb, but many of them are... :mrgreen:

They were specifically forbidden to worship anything else than God, but now they again worship something else, a man on, the cross and all his statues. And they claim this is right in the eyes of God, and they say there are 3 Gods, not 1 like the commandments say :2no4:

But Christians are best in their own eyes, they are right, even when they want to exterminate a whole other religion.
 
Laila said:
Hah, if i followed Christianity. I'd look in the mirror before attacking any other religion on violence.
Christianitys Number 1 speciality.
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I've read the New Testament. There is nothing in there where Jesus or any follower of Jesus teaches violence to further Christianity. I suggest you look in there instead of a mirror.
 
Maximus Zeebra said:
I dont really want to say Christians are dumb, but many of them are... :mrgreen:

They were specifically forbidden to worship anything else than God, but now they again worship something else, a man on, the cross and all his statues. And they claim this is right in the eyes of God, and they say there are 3 Gods, not 1 like the commandments say :2no4:

But Christians are best in their own eyes, they are right, even when they want to exterminate a whole other religion.
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There is nothing in the New Testament that teaches Christians to worship statues of Jesus. Christians worship Jesus because he is God.

I personally think the world would be a much better place without Islam. That's just my personal opinion.
 
walleye said:
There is nothing in the New Testament that teaches Christians to worship statues of Jesus. Christians worship Jesus because he is God.

I personally think the world would be a much better place without Islam. That's just my personal opinion.
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No, Christians worship Jesus because they BELIEVE he's God. Don't state things as if they're facts, especially without anything to backup your claims.

And what Maximus was pointing out to your narrow mind was that there is no support for the Trinity, or Jesus as the son of God in the Old Testament. Not to mention, early Christians didn't even believe in the Trinity.
 
Degreez said:
No, Christians worship Jesus because they BELIEVE he's God. Don't state things as if they're facts, especially without anything to backup your claims.

And what Maximus was pointing out to your narrow mind was that there is no support for the Trinity, or Jesus as the son of God in the Old Testament. Not to mention, early Christians didn't even believe in the Trinity.
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I will state whatever I wish to state. You're not the authority on Christianity, the bible is. Whether you believe it or not is a mute point. The facts are that the New Testament teaches that Jesus is God and people worshiped him. That was one of the reasons he got in trouble.

I think your narrow mind has fallen for a teaching that is not biblical. The New Testament most certainly does teach that God is a trinity and the New Testament most certainly does teach that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and God in the flesh. I welcome a debate on that topic. Go for it.
 
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walleye said:
There is nothing in the New Testament that teaches Christians to worship statues of Jesus. Christians worship Jesus because he is God.

I personally think the world would be a much better place without Islam. That's just my personal opinion.
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I am the Lord your God
You shall have no other gods before me
You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Three first commandments, Christians break all of them by worshiping "another God" Jesus(a man) and making images and statues of him to worship, and carrying the cross.. (this is exactly what people did wrong in the old testament, the people who betrayed God).

Anyone can "bypass" these by calling a piece of wood God, and justifying it by that, but if you really red the bible, you will see that there are no other Gods, including Jesus. Except in the new testament the con man Jesus breaks the prophesies of the old testament and goes into the modus of doing magic to be worshiped as a God.

And by annulling everything in the old testament he effectively lead us into the overly sinful society we live in today, and people ignorantly believe that Jesus is good rather than a servant of Satan.

Case closed.
 
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Degreez said:
No, Christians worship Jesus because they BELIEVE he's God. Don't state things as if they're facts, especially without anything to backup your claims.

And what Maximus was pointing out to your narrow mind was that there is no support for the Trinity, or Jesus as the son of God in the Old Testament. Not to mention, early Christians didn't even believe in the Trinity.
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Actually the old testament warned against people such as Jesus, using magic and such tricks, and people falling into love with them and worshiping him as God just like they failed God and worshiped lots of other things in the past.
If you actually looks logical at it all and put your trust in the old testament, then Jesus is the son of Satan.
 
walleye said:
I will state whatever I wish to state. You're not the authority on Christianity, the bible is. Whether you believe it or not is a mute point. The facts are that the New Testament teaches that Jesus is God and people worshiped him. That was one of the reasons he got in trouble.

I think your narrow mind has fallen for a teaching that is not biblical. The New Testament most certainly does teach that God is a trinity and the New Testament most certainly does teach that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and God in the flesh. I welcome a debate on that topic. Go for it.
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Read the old testament. It warns of this belief.

The new testament is written by Jesus and his gang of crooks, no wonder it teaches a bunch of things that goes in advantage Jesus. Imagine if Jesus is the son of Satan, how easily Satan deceived you all.

Holy trinity goes against anything of the old testament. And the first commandments.
 
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