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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%
  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%
  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%
  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%

  • Total voters
    64
Hah, Christians needed to write another book to say that line
Islam teaches alot more than that, i would suggest in educating yourself on Islam.

I would suggest you educate yourself on Islam. The Koran is a book full of hate and murder in the name of God. Let me give you one example. Would you like more?

“Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4
 
During WWII we did. The current "war on terrorism" is pretty much the same thing in my opinion.

you can't be serious. The Soviet Union was our ally and they were just as bad as Germany and Italy.
 
I would suggest you educate yourself on Islam. The Koran is a book full of hate and murder in the name of God. Let me give you one example. Would you like more?

“Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.” Koran 47:4

Sure ... Please do educate me on Islam.
 
you can't be serious. The Soviet Union was our ally and they were just as bad as Germany and Italy.

I see your point, but I don't agree they were just as bad. Hitler had to be stopped and anyone who helped was needed. Stalin took advantage of the opportunity to annex half of Europe in the victory. Stalin murdered a lot of his people, I do agree with that. We were an ally to Iraq when the Iraq-Iran war was going on. Not because we liked Iraq but because they were useful. I see the same thing with Russia. They were useful.
 
I see your point, but I don't agree they were just as bad. Hitler had to be stopped and anyone who helped was needed. Stalin took advantage of the opportunity to annex half of Europe in the victory. Stalin murdered a lot of his people, I do agree with that. We were an ally to Iraq when the Iraq-Iran war was going on. Not because we liked Iraq but because they were useful. I see the same thing with Russia. They were useful.

you are right. They weren't just as bad, they were worse.
 
Sure ... Please do educate me on Islam.

Islam is a murderous hateful cult run by religious senile old men who deny women their God-given rights. Islam is oppressive. Islam keeps people ignorant and teaches to hate Jews and Christians in the Koran.

The Qur’an Distinguishes Muslims from Non-Muslims
and Establishes a Hierarchy of Relative Worth

The Qur’an makes it clear that Islam is not about universal brotherhood, but about the brotherhood of believers:

The Believers are but a single Brotherhood (49:10)

Not all men are equal under Islam. Slaves and the handicapped are not equal to healthy free men, for example (16:75-76). The Qur’an introduces the “Law of Equality,” which establishes different levels of human value when considering certain matters, such as restitution for murder (2:178).

With regard to Islam, the Qur’an tells Muslims that they are a favored race, while those of other religions are “perverted transgressors”:

Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors. (3:110)

As we shall see later, Allah condemns non-Muslims to Hell based merely on their unbelief, while believers are rewarded with the finest earthly comforts in the hereafter, including never-ending food, wine and sex (56:12-40). In fact, much of the Qur’an is devoted to distinguishing Muslims from non-Muslims and impugning the latter.

The first sura of the Qur'an is an example of this. It is a short prayer that is repeated by devout Muslims each day and ends with these words:

Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (1:6-7)

Muhammad was once asked if these words pertained to Jews and Christians. His response was, "Whom else?" (Bukhari 56:662).

Since Allah makes such a strong distinction between Muslims and those outside the faith, it is only natural that Muslims should incorporate disparate standards of treatment into their daily lives. The Qur’an tells Muslims to be compassionate with one another but ruthless to the infidel:

Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves… (48:29)

Allah intends for Muslims to triumph over believers:

And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way to triumph over believers [Pickthall – “any way of success”] (4:141)

The only acceptable position of non-Muslims to Muslims is subjugation under Islamic rule:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29 Jizya is the money that non-Muslims must pay to their Muslim overlords in a pure Islamic state.)

A common criticism of many Muslims is that they often behave arrogantly toward others. Now you know why.



The Qur’an Dehumanizes Non-Muslims
and Says that They are Vile Animals

The Qur’an dehumanizes non-Muslims, describing them as “animals” and beasts:

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6)

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. (8:55)

Verse 5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. Verse 2:65 continues the theme.

Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness.

A hadith says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (Bukhari 54:524, also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than demons who believe in Muhammad.
 
Oh wow, those verses really show Islam as violent.

Why do you think westerners haven't realised the threat of Islam?
 
Oh wow, those verses really show Islam as violent.

Why do you think westerners haven't realised the threat of Islam?

I agree. Islam is violent and more than violent. It is hateful and intolerant of others. My sister couldn't get a cab at the airport in Minneapolis because she had a bottle of liquor. Somali muslim cab drivers.

I think many westerners have realized the threat of Islam.
 
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Here is the deal :

Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......

Any question about the aggression against women, because it dont exist essentially .
 
Here is the deal :

Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......

Any question about the aggression against women, because it dont exist essentially .

I have read the Koran and there are some very questionable mentions of both Christians and Jews.. Not that they dominate the Koran or even is a large part(like some people on this forum want to believe), but they seem extremely hostile and aggressive towards Christianity and Judaism in the few but noticeable mentions. I had problems interpreting them clearly, but it is clearly hostile.
 
Here is the deal :

Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......

Any question about the aggression against women, because it dont exist essentially .

Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"

Lest us return to the issue of equality.

The idea is unacceptable to Islam.

For the non-believer cannot be the equal of the believer.

Even among the believers only those who subscribe to the three so-called Abrahamic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam ( Ahl el-Kitab) are regarded as fully human.

Here is the hierarchy of human worth in Islam:

At the summit are free male Muslims

Next come Muslim male slaves

Then come free Muslim women

Next come Muslim slave women.

Then come free Jewish and /or Christian men

Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian men

Then come slave Jewish and/or Christian women.

Each category has rights that must be respected.

The People of the Book have always been protected and relatively well-treated by Muslim rulers, but often in the context of a form of apartheid known as dhimmitude.

The status of the rest of humanity, those whose faiths are not recognised by Islam or who have no faith at all, has never been spelled out although wherever Muslim rulers faced such communities they often treated them with a certain measure of tolerance and respect ( As in the case of Hindus under the Muslim dynasties of India.)

Non-Muslims can, and have often been, treated with decency, but never as equals.


Amir Taheri: "Islam Is Incompatible With Democracy"
 
I have read the Koran and there are some very questionable mentions of both Christians and Jews.. Not that they dominate the Koran or even is a large part(like some people on this forum want to believe), but they seem extremely hostile and aggressive towards Christianity and Judaism in the few but noticeable mentions. I had problems interpreting them clearly, but it is clearly hostile.

Any questions, am ready
 
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Slavery to Christians and Jews ?
Never heard of that.

Captivation, if not slavery. Semi-slavery.

The Koran of Mecca has 67% of its text devoted to how the kafirs (unbelievers) must submit to Allah/ Mohammed.

Then in Medina, Mohammed’s message became political, and he became violent without limits towards kafirs. Mohammed made all the Jews of Medina submit to him by robbery, murder, war, assassinations, rape, torture, executions, exile and enslavement.

After he had subdued all of the kafirs in Medina, Mohammed attacked the Jews of Khaybar. By now he realized that you could make more money from a live kafir than from a dead one. Kafirs can be enslaved, but the slave option has a disadvantage. Slaves have to be managed and be near at hand. So Mohammed created the dhimmi. The dhimmi agrees to live in a world that is dominated by Islam in all public areas. A dhimmi is free from Islam only in his own home. Law, customs, art, education, the media, government, speech and every thing in public space is Islamic. In addition, the dhimmi has to pay a tax to Islam called the jizya tax. In Khaybar the jizya tax was 50%.

The key psychological technique is that the dhimmi is to be humiliated in all possible ways. In effect, the dhimmi is halfway between freedom and slavery, a semi-slave.

FrontPage Magazine
 
Captivation, if not slavery. Semi-slavery.



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WTF , are you serious.
Those facts are ****in fake.
What semi-slave and what BS.

Excuse me for being rude, but I cant see those mind ****s and I will stay calm, so clear that this post is from an Anti-Islamic person.
 
WTF , are you serious.
Those facts are ****in fake.
What semi-slave and what BS.

Excuse me for being rude, but I cant see those mind ****s and I will stay calm, so clear that this post is from an Anti-Islamic person.

Christians don't know everything about Christianity or the Bible.

Muslims aren't all walking Imams.

Mohammed’s power structure was now complete. His first division of humanity was into believer/kafir. Then he refined kafir into dhimmi and slave. Humanity became divided into Muslim, kafir-slaves, kafir-dhimmis and kafirs.

As the Islamic conquest rolled over the kafirs, the dhimmi was the perfect tool of subjugation. After Islam conquered a country, for instance Egypt, the Muslims were the top dogs in the politics, but the Christians could keep their religion. However, they had to live without legal protection or civil rights. All public space was Islamic. The dhimmi could be insulted, abused and had no recourse. They had to pay the jizya tax. The dhimmi were cattle on the Islamic ranch, but could attend their church or synagogue.

FP: What happened to the dhimmis under these conditions?

Warner: The insults, humiliations and taxes wore the dhimmis down. What happened over time was that the dhimmis converted to Islam. It was easier to avoid all this pain and become a Muslim.

In the 20th century, Islam became so weak that the full dhimmi status was dropped. But if you meet and talk to Christians from the Middle East today, you will find that the centuries of dhimmitude have produced, in many cases, a personality similar to an abused wife. It is very sad to see how subjugated a personality can become.

There is another kind of dhimmi—kafirs who become apologists for Islam, fear and defer to it. So we have two types of dhimmi—the subjugated dhimmi who is under the political power of Islam and the apologist dhimmi who seeks Islamic favor.

FrontPage Magazine
 
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Secular Realism

"Secular Realism"
Here is the deal :
Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......
Ishmaelism is also hell bent against polytheists.

The religion of fictional ishmaelism had better evaluate any intolerant and agressive demeanor, even towards atheists, as theism does not represent a pretense for moral principle.

A proposition for you is, open a thread and defend the position that only theism can represent a pretense for moral principle.
Any question about the aggression against women, because it dont exist essentially.
In recent US history, police did not interfere in domestic violence; that is, essentially, agression against women did not exist.


Lastly, ask any non-israeli on the street; "Should you convert to israelism (judaism)?"
The answer would be "No"; if because, they are not of the tribe or genetic lineage of isaac (israelis, "jews").

The same is true of ishmaelism; "Should you convert to ishmaelism (islam)?"
The answer should be "No"; if because, they are not of the tribe or genetic lineage of ishmael (quraysh).
 
Christians don't know everything about Christianity or the Bible.

Muslims aren't all walking Imams.



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Ok, I wont comment about Warner, but I will tell you something, I want you to ask any Christian or Jew in here. If he told you that we "Muslims" hold any kind of aggression towards them, you are the winner then.

Add, there are no taxes taken from them.
 
Here is the deal :
Islam aren't against anybody but the Athiests ......

How sad, since atheists (such as me) are probably the only real friends and supporters you've got, here in the US.
As an atheist, I don't think your religion is any better or worse than Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion.

But trust me: atheists are probably very nearly alone in that sentiment.
You ought to try very hard not to be "against" us.
 
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How sad, since atheists (such as me) are probably the only real friends and supporters you've got, here in the US.
As an atheist, I don't think your religion is any better or worse than Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other religion.

But trust me: atheists are probably very nearly alone in that sentiment.
You ought to try very hard not to be "against" us.

Excuse me, did I say something against you ?
The only Athiests we are Against are the ones who Mock your religion.
We cant take those mockings and stay like nothing happened, we do have Athiests here, but they do show respect to the religion, thats why they are living in peace now, and I hadnt said that my religion is the best of all, Its like all religions.
 
Ok, I wont comment about Warner, but I will tell you something, I want you to ask any Christian or Jew in here. If he told you that we "Muslims" hold any kind of aggression towards them, you are the winner then.

Add, there are no taxes taken from them.

You seem to be a lovely person. But you do not speak for the threat to us kafirs and so I must accept your comments with a pinch of salt.
 
You seem to be a lovely person. But you do not speak for the threat to us kafirs and so I must accept your comments with a pinch of salt.

Dude, how you want me to speak for you ?
 
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