Is this a scientific discussion now? I was just exchanging opinions about religion and morality as related and asking if you didnt agree...
No offense really if you are gay, but gay sex is just about the dirtiest thing in the world, well ahead of anal sex between man and woman, which should also be illegal and discouraged. Poo and ****(and mouths connected with poo) just dont belong together.
To be brutally honest.
Religious folks follow a moral code which atheists not necessarily follows, even though some of them do.
Sorry but your claims were in relation to reality. These claims were not just hypotheticals or metaphysical, you were suggesting that in the real world that certain people act in certain way due to whether or not they believe in god. The conversation is no longer theoretical, but rather aplied......
You made claims about observations you have seen in the real world. Once you cross that line, it is no longer opinion but rather you are making claims which can be asserted or refuted. It's that simple........
So please don't play 'I was only making opinion', when your observations where based on your experience. That is the physical and real, and not the metaphysical of theoretical.
Secondly, you have not explained why sodomy is the equivalent of cheating, lying or stealing. You have mentioned a phobia of things 'dirty', but you have failed to connect the dots by explaining why something is immoral when it is dirty.....
So Maximus, are all of the people that do dirty jobs immoral, because they have to deal with dirty situations? Or do those people provide society with a certain amount utility, while sodomy doesn't?
If you talk about experiences or what you have seen, we are no longer talking about the theoretical, but rather the real, natural and measurable world. So yes science does come into this, if you are making claims about this world as opposed to the theoretical or hypothetical; empirical forms of debate enter into the equation. Otherwise I might as well say that I believe the sky is green......
Lastly you confuse my empirical analysis of your argument with Freudian defensiveness... Why do you assume that anyone that challenges your un-substantiated claims about homosexuals is therefore gay?
Basically I have challenged your claims about homosexuality, and the best you can do is talk about dirtiness or suggest that I am gay....... I am still waiting for empirical defense of your claims about the real world as opposed to dodging of the issue.
But hay opinions are cool.... Did I tell you that moon cheese tends to make people nicer compared to non-moon cheese eating people?????? Ohhhhhh it's not a claim Maximus, its just an opinion.........
Do you understand the difference between personal and subjective, versus objective/causative/probative?
So why does atheism make people more immoral or less likely to have a moral code than a religious person?
And why is sodomy immoral because it is dirty? That is, why do you compare anal sex to cheating, theft, lying or greed?
I await your ENLIGHTENED answer.