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Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

Which is Islam's Main Goal: To Captivate, Convert or Kill Us?

  • Captivate

    Votes: 6 9.4%
  • Convert

    Votes: 24 37.5%
  • Kill

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • None of the Above

    Votes: 27 42.2%
  • Other (Specify)

    Votes: 9 14.1%

  • Total voters
    64
I will state whatever I wish to state. You're not the authority on Christianity, the bible is. Whether you believe it or not is a mute point. The facts are that the New Testament teaches that Jesus is God and people worshiped him. That was one of the reasons he got in trouble.

I think your narrow mind has fallen for a teaching that is not biblical. The New Testament most certainly does teach that God is a trinity and the New Testament most certainly does teach that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and God in the flesh. I welcome a debate on that topic. Go for it.

The Bible is? You mean the people who wrote about Jesus' life who never met him?

How can Jesus and the people around him get in trouble for the New Testament, before it even came out. The New Testament may teach of the Trinity, but the Old Testament does not.

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)". (NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

Our God, the Lord is one.

Jesus never taught anything of the Trinity. It is a fabrication of man.
 
The Bible is? You mean the people who wrote about Jesus' life who never met him?

How can Jesus and the people around him get in trouble for the New Testament, before it even came out. The New Testament may teach of the Trinity, but the Old Testament does not.



Our God, the Lord is one.

Jesus never taught anything of the Trinity. It is a fabrication of man.

Paul met Jesus. Mark met jesus. John met Jesus. Matthew met Jesus. Luke met Jesus. James met Jesus. Peter met Jesus. Jude met Jesus. They all wrote about him and did meet him. You're confused.

I agree, the Lord our God is one. One God. I agree with that. Jesus said "my father and I are one". You're confused by word "one". You take in singular. The word in Hebrew can also be pleural.

The trinity is biblical, old and new testament. You are simply believing a false doctrine.
 
Paul met Jesus. Mark met jesus. John met Jesus. Matthew met Jesus. Luke met Jesus. James met Jesus. Peter met Jesus. Jude met Jesus. They all wrote about him and did meet him. You're confused.

I agree, the Lord our God is one. One God. I agree with that. Jesus said "my father and I are one". You're confused by word "one". You take in singular. The word in Hebrew can also be pleural.

The trinity is biblical, old and new testament. You are simply believing a false doctrine.

Thats just amazing what length you will go to defend this. Jesus goes against the old testament and the commandments, there is no doubt about this. The trinity is never mentioned in the old testament, but proclaiming yourself God like Jesus does in the phrase you quote is blasphemy by old testament standards.

The ideal way for a Satan to stray people away from God, his laws and the old testament, is exactly Jesus and what he did.
If you cannot see that you have never read the old testament.
 
Thats just amazing what length you will go to defend this. Jesus goes against the old testament and the commandments, there is no doubt about this. The trinity is never mentioned in the old testament, but proclaiming yourself God like Jesus does in the phrase you quote is blasphemy by old testament standards.

The ideal way for a Satan to stray people away from God, his laws and the old testament, is exactly Jesus and what he did.
If you cannot see that you have never read the old testament.

I am just giving you the facts from the bible. If you find that amazing it could be you don't know much about the bible. The word "trinity" does not have to be mentioned to prove God manifests in 3 persons.

Do you believe in the Millenium?
 
Paul met Jesus. Mark met jesus. John met Jesus. Matthew met Jesus. Luke met Jesus. James met Jesus. Peter met Jesus. Jude met Jesus. They all wrote about him and did meet him. You're confused.

I agree, the Lord our God is one. One God. I agree with that. Jesus said "my father and I are one". You're confused by word "one". You take in singular. The word in Hebrew can also be pleural.

The trinity is biblical, old and new testament. You are simply believing a false doctrine.

When did Paul meet Jesus? Paul was born 60 some odd years after Jesus' "crucifixion". You seem to be confused.

Show me, with passages from the Old Testament, that the Trinity was foretold. Moses never mentioned anything about a Trinity either, just the One God.

Here's something from the New Testament though:

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)

Translate this exact phrase from English to Hebrew:
'Son of God'

It becomes 'Servant of God'
 
I am just giving you the facts from the bible. If you find that amazing it could be you don't know much about the bible. The word "trinity" does not have to be mentioned to prove God manifests in 3 persons.

Do you believe in the Millenium?

The bible specifies that there is only one God..
 
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Murder is not part of my faith. One of the 10 commandements says to not murder. You are mistaken. You are confusing judgement with murder. When you break a commandment of God the judgement is death. That is not murder. Murder is when you kill an innocent person. In Deuteronomy God was judging. That is what will happen to everyone who does not believe in the living God. God was displaying his judgment for sin. That is not murder. That is justice.

So, in Exodus when the people are worshiping the Golden calf and God tells Moses to kill them all, that's not murder but "judgment"? How barbaric. It also says a lot about your God and his inability to deal with his own problems.

God also gives mercy and that is found in Jesus. Jesus is the way out of judgment because he took it. Islam is a false religion.

Bravo, when backed into a corner you have formed an emotional argument devoid of logic or facts. Let me know how that works out for you.

My faith does not teach murder.
Your faith teaches that murder is acceptable when performed in God's name. Sounds a bit like militant Islam, eh?
 
Paul met Jesus. Mark met jesus. John met Jesus. Matthew met Jesus. Luke met Jesus. James met Jesus. Peter met Jesus. Jude met Jesus. They all wrote about him and did meet him. You're confused.

Ah, it is all very clear now. I was unaware that I was debating someone who knows less about their own faith than I do.
 
So, in Exodus when the people are worshiping the Golden calf and God tells Moses to kill them all, that's not murder but "judgment"? How barbaric. It also says a lot about your God and his inability to deal with his own problems.



Bravo, when backed into a corner you have formed an emotional argument devoid of logic or facts. Let me know how that works out for you.

Your faith teaches that murder is acceptable when performed in God's name. Sounds a bit like militant Islam, eh?

I am telling you what the bible says. You are free to believe it or not.

No, this is not an emotional argument. I am repeating what the bible says.

My faith does not teach murder is acceptable when performed in God's name. My faith teaches murder is against God's law. Would you tell me the Christians who are murdering people in the name of Jesus? I'd like to know.
 
The Kuran in Surah 9.5. states " after the forbidden months have passed, slay the unbelievers wherever you find them; capture them, torture them, besiege them, prepare every stratagem of warfare against them...").

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ... ")

Source

Lets come to the forbidden months: those months are forbidden for Muslims to kill any Pagan , so , they can live/trade with Muslims in those Months (Thu Alkeeda , Thu AlHejja , Muharram and Rajab), Its called Forbidden because God forbid on Muslims the fight on them.

After the forbidden months are over, Pagans or Athiests must go outside Muslim's area. The verse was a respondof Pagans and Athiests' Harm to the Prophet and Muslims in the begining of the Islamic existence.
 
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) ... ")

Source

Lets come to the forbidden months: those months are forbidden for Muslims to kill any Pagan , so , they can live/trade with Muslims in those Months (Thu Alkeeda , Thu AlHejja , Muharram and Rajab), Its called Forbidden because God forbid on Muslims the fight on them.

After the forbidden months are over, Pagans or Athiests must go outside Muslim's area. The verse was a respondof Pagans and Athiests' Harm to the Prophet and Muslims in the begining of the Islamic existence.

So why are muslims slicing off the heads of little Christian girls on their way to school in Indonesia? Why are muslims flying planes full of people into buildings full of people? Why are muslims committing suicide and murder? Why?
 
Why of course. You're a smart one, you are.

I can only go off of what I am given, which is that you are intolerant of other religions while seeing no fault in your own. I hope, for your sake, that you open your eyes some day go through a spiritual maturation. Your hatred of Islam is the antithesis of "Christ-like" behavior.
 
So why are muslims slicing off the heads of little Christian girls on their way to school in Indonesia? Why are muslims flying planes full of people into buildings full of people? Why are muslims committing suicide and murder? Why?

Why did Christians rape and pillage during the Crusade? Why did Christians bomb abortion clinics? Why did Christians burn women they thought were witches?

Answer: There are stupid people in this world. :2wave:
 

A headline that states "Christian Terrorist Cells" is not evidence of anyone teaching this. Individual crazy people is not evidence of anyone teaching Christians to murder in the name of Jesus. These people are insane. It is not a Christian denomination. It is not biblical. Militant Islamists get their teachings right from the Koran. These people are not getting their ideas from the New Testament. Big difference.
 
Why did Christians rape and pillage during the Crusade? Why did Christians bomb abortion clinics? Why did Christians burn women they thought were witches?

Answer: There are stupid people in this world. :2wave:

Those people were not following the teachings of Christianity. When muslims murder, they are following the teachings of Islam.
 
I can only go off of what I am given, which is that you are intolerant of other religions while seeing no fault in your own. I hope, for your sake, that you open your eyes some day go through a spiritual maturation. Your hatred of Islam is the antithesis of "Christ-like" behavior.

I have read the Koran. I see a book of murder and hate.

I haver read the New Testament and the words of Jesus and his disciples. I see a book of love and forgiveness and mercy.

I go by the facts, not political correctness.
 
Those people were not following the teachings of Christianity. When muslims murder, they are following the teachings of Islam.

Please, remove your religious blinders. Once you have done this, feel free to come back and debate me. It is quite apparent that your bias is interfering with your ability to see fault in your own faith.

Later :coffeepap
 
Those people were not following the teachings of Christianity. When muslims murder, they are following the teachings of Islam.

No, when someone murders someone they are following there own mindset.

It's almost impossible debating with someone this narrow-minded.
 
So why are muslims slicing off the heads of little Christian girls on their way to school in Indonesia? Why are muslims flying planes full of people into buildings full of people? Why are muslims committing suicide and murder? Why?

So simple, those who you called them Muslims, are anti-Muslims for us and am sure as hell that they'll be burning in hell. I want to ask any SOB of them to bring me that verse which says : kill innocents (Christians or non- Christians), there is'nt any verse that says to kill any religious person.

As our prophet said befor war : ("....Do not kill a woman, nor a child, nor an old-aged man") (Sharh as-Sunnah Al-Baghawî)

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You can say that those people are "Phsycho" or "mentally-ill" , nothing more
 
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Those people were not following the teachings of Christianity. When muslims murder, they are following the teachings of Islam.

And so does the terrorists.
 
I have read the Koran. I see a book of murder and hate.

I haver read the New Testament and the words of Jesus and his disciples. I see a book of love and forgiveness and mercy.

I go by the facts, not political correctness.

Am afraid you didn't, you hadnt read but what you see "Agressive verses", As I explained them before, I dont think they are anymore.

80% of Koran talks about previous prophets, their religions, stories and Morals too. (Contains a 20% percentage Shariaa).

10% talks about Shariaa (in direct)

The 10% talks about our Prophet's life (Including how he'd got harmed and hatred by Athiest in the begining of his invitation) thats why you can see just a few verses which talks about Athiests and pagans.
 
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