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Israel/Palestine: Will this work?

Will this work?


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Goobieman

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Here’s my proposal for solving the Israel-Palestinian issue:

-Israel completely withdraws from Gaza and the West Bank.
-The West Bank then becomes the state of Palestine
-Gaza can choose to become part of Egypt, part of Palestine, or its own state.
-Israel will secure her borders as she sees fit
-Palestine will secure her borders as she sees fit
-Israel will hold Palestine/Gaza responsible for the security of their borders with Israel, and consider any attack, terrorist or otherwise, from across those borders to be an act of war upon Israel from Palestine, giving Israel the right to act in that regard as she sees fit.

Will this work?
If not, why not?
 
Here’s my proposal for solving the Israel-Palestinian issue:

-Israel completely withdraws from Gaza and the West Bank.
-The West Bank then becomes the state of Palestine
-Gaza can choose to become part of Egypt, part of Palestine, or its own state.
-Israel will secure her borders as she sees fit
-Palestine will secure her borders as she sees fit
-Israel will hold Palestine/Gaza responsible for the security of their borders with Israel, and consider any attack, terrorist or otherwise, from across those borders to be an act of war upon Israel from Palestine, giving Israel the right to act in that regard as she sees fit.

Will this work?
If not, why not?

Is there any other country geographically separated from itself by another?

Also, what happens to Jerusalem?
 
Unfortunately, I don't think it would work because I don't think it could be done in any way that keeps both sides happy. I doubt that the whole thing will ever truly end.
 
Is there any other country geographically separated from itself by another?
How is that relevant?

And, the answer is yes.
At least one of them should be painfully obvious to you.

So... why wont it work?

Also, what happens to Jerusalem?
Declare it an open city.
 
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Unfortunately, I don't think it would work because I don't think it could be done in any way that keeps both sides happy. I doubt that the whole thing will ever truly end.
If it means they wont be attacked, it will certainly make Israel happy.
How will the arrangement not make the Palestinians happy?
 
How is that relevant?

And, the answer is yes.
At least one of them should be painfully obvious to you.


Declare it an open city.

Given the harsh relations how is Palestine supposed to operate as a nation being completely cut off from one of its most troubled sections.

The West Bank is land locked, carry on with your asinine retorts though.
 
Will this work?
If not, why not?


No, because I don't think that is what the Palestinians want and will not take that offer. Maybe in future generations, it could be plausible, but I don't think right now that would be a solution.
 
Given the harsh relations how is Palestine supposed to operate as a nation being completely cut off from one of its most troubled sections.
You did notice that there were options for Gaza other than becoming part of the state of Palestine, right?

The West Bank is land locked
Lots of countries are land locked...?

carry on with your asinine retorts though
So, you have no real argument as to why the solutuon won't work - at least none that you're willing to admit.
10-4.

BTW:
Did you discover any countries that is geographically separated from itself by another?
 
What DO they want?

According to this:

US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation : What do the Palestinians want?
In 1988, in an enormous compromise, the Palestinian National Council, or parliament-in-exile, voted to accept a two-state solution that would return to Palestinians only the 22 percent of their land that had been occupied in 1967. They accepted that the other 78 percent would remain Israel. While some individual Palestinians and some small organizations still reject that historic compromise, for the vast majority of Palestinians the goal is for an independent state--a fully realized and truly independent state--in the West Bank and Gaza with East Jerusalem as its capital.
Palestinians also want the right for refugees to return to their homes, from wherever they were expelled. The right of return is part of international law, and Palestinians are specifically guaranteed that right by UN Resolution 194, which states that "refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return."

Simply an end to "the violence" is insufficient, because it would leave in place the structures of military occupation that prevent Palestinians from realizing their full national rights and their human rights to dignity and independence.
 
It will never end because the more fanatical elements on both sides will never rest until the other side is completely vanquished. There simply is no room for compromise for these elements.
 
It will never end because the more fanatical elements on both sides will never rest until the other side is completely vanquished. There simply is no room for compromise for these elements.
So... if the solution as mentioned and amended is applied, what do you suppose Israel will do to violate it?
 
You did notice that there were options for Gaza other than becoming part of the state of Palestine, right?


Lots of countries are land locked...?


So, you have no real argument as to why the solutuon won't work - at least none that you're willing to admit.
10-4.

BTW:
Did you discover any countries that is geographically separated from itself by another?

How typical of you Goobieman. My argument is there, you just chose not to read and address it. Instead you'd rather be an ass.
 
1948 was a long time ago.
The right to return would be limited to actual propoerty owners, not their families or heirs, presuming that the structures still exist and are not otherwise occupied.

I think something along what you said would be fair, IMO. And although 1948 may have been a long time ago, it seems it is still fresh in most Palestinians minds and it was either themselves or their parents or grandparents that were forced from their homes and it makes it much more personal to them. That's why I would think it would take a generation or two to take such an agreement like the one you propose, but I do think it could be possible. It's just how much blood they are all willing to shed to put aside their pride and accept what they have to accept.
 
How typical of you Goobieman. My argument is there, you just chose not to read and address it. Instead you'd rather be an ass.
Nah -- you're just trying to run away from an argument you know you cannot support.

Disagree? OK...

You're arguing that:
The West Bank is landlocked.
Lots of countries are. So what?

That Gaza is seperated by Israel from the West Bank.
This isnt a unique situation, and there are other options. So what?

And, I'll ask again:
Did you or did you not discover any countries that is geographically separated from one of its parts by another country?
 
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I think something along what you said would be fair, IMO. And although 1948 may have been a long time ago, it seems it is still fresh in most Palestinians minds...
I'd wager that a large proportion of those Palestinians that remember the events of 1948 are dead.

That's why I would think it would take a generation or two to take such an agreement like the one you propose, but I do think it could be possible
10-4. Thanks.
 
I'd wager that a large proportion of those Palestinians that remember the events of 1948 are dead.


It's funny though how a group of people will take events they were not even around to see or involved in and twist it to suit their own logic, wouldn't you agree?
 
It's funny though how a group of people will take events they were not even around to see or involved in and twist it to suit their own logic, wouldn't you agree?
Happens a lot, it seems.
 
No it won't work. I see a number of problems with it.

-Israel completely withdraws from Gaza and the West Bank.
-The West Bank then becomes the state of Palestine

I agree with these so far.

Goobieman said:
-Gaza can choose to become part of Egypt, part of Palestine, or its own state.

Who is "Gaza"? The illegitimate Hamas regime? Mahmoud Abbas? A referendum of the voters? What if they decide to become part of Egypt, and Egypt doesn't want them? What if Hamas chooses "None of the above"?

Goobieman said:
-Israel will secure her borders as she sees fit
-Palestine will secure her borders as she sees fit
-Israel will hold Palestine/Gaza responsible for the security of their borders with Israel, and consider any attack, terrorist or otherwise, from across those borders to be an act of war upon Israel from Palestine, giving Israel the right to act in that regard as she sees fit.

This third bullet point seems to contradict the first two.

Goobieman said:
Will this work?
If not, why not?

Not anytime in the near future. I think it's possible for Israel to negotiate a peace settlement with Fatah, Lebanon, and Syria which would result in an independent Palestine in the West Bank. But as long as Hamas remains in control of Gaza (or even as long as Hamas has significant support in Gaza), Gaza will necessarily be excluded from any peace settlement.
 
Is there any other country geographically separated from itself by another?

Armenia. Azerbaijan. Russia. The United States of America.

shiznit770 said:
Also, what happens to Jerusalem?

I think that Israel is going to have to give up the Arab sectors of Jerusalem. The Palestinians will never agree to any deal that doesn't include part of Jerusalem.
 
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Armenia. Azerbaijan. Russia. The United States of America.



I think that Israel is going to have to give up the Arab sectors of Jerusalem. The Palestinians will never agree to any deal that doesn't include part of Jerusalem.

Azerbaijan and Armenia appear to be the only ones in a similar situation (geographically). Russia and the US are geographically separated, but by oceans, not just land. Thanks for responding.
 
What DO they want?

They want the Israelis gone.

Period.

That's why they refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist. That way they could have had their 'freedom' long ago.
 
Azerbaijan and Armenia appear to be the only ones in a similar situation (geographically). Russia and the US are geographically separated, but by oceans, not just land. Thanks for responding.

The main part of Russia is separated from Kaliningrad by land. The main part of the United States is separated from Alaska by land.
 
Is there any other country geographically separated from itself by another?

Also, what happens to Jerusalem?

Several Native tribes in the US are separated, so that's not an issue.

The sharing of Jerusalem and existing holy sites is the issue than can never be resolved.
 
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