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How meaninglessly unspecific.Small tactical force.
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How meaninglessly unspecific.Small tactical force.
How meaninglessly unspecific.
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I already told you, send in troops to hunt down those involved. Killing hundreds of civilians doesn't do anything. You already admitted that those whom did it are probably gone before the missiles get there. Thus the bombing is only to punish the civilians in the area. But that's not going to solve anything, that feeds back into the problem. It's not going to stop as long as both sides participate in the circle. Israel should also target the propaganda and launch large humanitarian efforts into Palestine which would include the building of schools and hospitals. If you can start to decrease your point #1, you'll make it harder for Hezbollah to hide in civilian sectors.
I already told you, send in troops to hunt down those involved.
This is virtually impossible. Hamas...Palestinians...what's the difference? Those not directly involved in hostilities against Israel are providing logistical and moral support to those who are. There is no military solution short of wiping out all of Palestine, which isn't an option. A strong Arab government (Egypt) must assume sovereignty over Palestine and restore order and functional governance. Furthermore, an international coalition must be formed with the purpose of providing security and logistical support for said operations. Security must be established and maintained so that infrastructural necessities can be built or repaired.
Yeah. :roll:How unpredictable, another immature retort.
That's nice -- if you have time to get them there.How unspecific is it. You have terrorists held up in a building, you send in a small tactical unit to infiltrate the building and take out the terrorists while keeping civilian casualties to a minimum.
How unpredictable, another immature retort.
How unspecific is it. You have terrorists held up in a building, you send in a small tactical unit to infiltrate the building and take out the terrorists while keeping civilian casualties to a minimum.
How do you get this force into palestine and to the area quickly with little resistance.
What do you say to the families of the people your governments first and foremost concern is meant to be about (its citizens) when you go back to tell them their family member died in something that could've been accomplished with a single smart missile?
What do you do when these people are possibly captured by Hamas forces?
What do you do when civilian casualities still rack up a bit as the terrorists are hard to discern from civilians and they use civilians as a form of a shield?
What do you do if you need to destroy the infastructure that is being used to launch, but civilians are in it? Blow it with civilians inside? Take the time to try and get/force the civilians out?
How do you handle the propoganda used to say that Israel is invading palestine, or sending in groups to murder people, or claims that they stilled killed "X" number of civilians. Now, with actual men on the ground, they can also start making claims that they cold bloodily murdered civilians knowingly and willingly even if they just ended up getting caught in the crossfire. Would 80 dead by rockets be worse propoganda than 4 dead being claimed to have been wantonly and cold bloodily murdered by Israeli forces?
You don't.How do you get this force into palestine and to the area quickly with little resistance.
It's as possible as hitting the one's who caused attacks with missile attacks on civilian sectors. Basically, the ultimate conclusion that we've reached is that no matter the reaction if Israel, it's all ineffective and would most likely go to feed back on the propaganda which makes this such a difficult mess in the first place.
Thus if it's the propaganda that's really hurting, then maybe that's where things should be taken care of. And long term propaganda combat is going to take some time and in the mean time, you'd have to endure attacks without much in the way of retaliation. At least not retaliation which would put at risk a huge portion of the civilian population. Instead you'd have to heavily engage in diplomatic and humanitarian efforts over several years to start to change the minds and hearts of the people. But if that were done, that would go a long way into combating the propaganda which seems to be the bigger thorn.
You only risk people when you have no other choice.
There's that cranium-inserted-in-rectum obtuseness again. :roll:Civilians are people.
Helicopters probably. You can do some super fancy things I suppose if you want.
"We're sorry that the leadership on both sides of this are complete douchebags. Expect a lot more of you to die while the leaders risk nothing".
You're in the army.
War sucks, it ain't far. Probably should search for a solution rather than continued war.
Depends on what you're talking about. If your talking of an apartment complex, your already on the loosing side. There is no action you can take which won't result in more death and destruction. If your talking manufacturing like a plant that's making tanks or howitzers, that's a different story. Disruption manufacture and production capabilities goes a lot farther than blowing some civilians to hell.
They're already at war. The problem with your last sentence is that it's the reverse. Over 300 people dead this last time, was that good? Was that proper?
Troops are not for arresting criminals. They are for causing vast destruction, death, suffering and most importantly, enormous contrition in one's enemies.Israel could conduct more precise military attacks which target Hamas and not civilians. Instead of carpet bombing, send in troops to apprehend criminals.
Troops are not for arresting criminals. They are for causing vast destruction, death, suffering and most importantly, enormous contrition in one's enemies.
Precise strikes are part of the problem. The general Palestinian population seem to support these savages, (making them savages themselves, of course.) All Palestinians who survive this war need to understand that their model of politics through terror is probably only going to win them land in the form of unmarked, communal graves.
I've had a few debates with people in (in "real life"), and as I'm an artist and generally keep artists for company, I'm pretty much alone in my position that Israel has the right to eradicate active threats to its people. The discussion always devolves into who threw spitballs at whom first, (e.g. "Hasn't Israel had a tendency to overreact in the past?" as if that has any bearing on what's going on right now) and the fact that Hamas was launching rockets at Israeli population centers during the course of the cease fire is ignored or waved aside.
So, forget who was naughty first. Hamas launches rockets at Israel.
If military retaliation is not the correct response, then what is?
Those who sympathize with the people of Gaza are not terrorist sympathizers. I suggest you learn the distinction as your comment is offensive and unwelcome.I do not buy into the hoopla of the terrorist sympathizers that Israel is using disproportionate response. Why should Israel endanger themselves or any of their personal anymore than they have to in order to wipe out a threat?They do not owe the Palestinians any favors. The Palestinians support Hamas, the Palestinians elected Hamas to various offices and the Palestinians obviously tolerate terrorist launching attacks at Israel from the roof tops of their buildings.
Israel appears to be fixing things right now as a matter of fact.Those who sympathize with the people of Gaza are not terrorist sympathizers. I suggest you learn the distinction as your comment is offensive and unwelcome.
The glaring flaw to your logic is that Israel chose its homeland to be in the heart of the ME. It has created the boundaries between Palestine and itself. It has a responsibility to fix the problems it has creating by displacing and blockading the people of Gaza.
Those who sympathize with the people of Gaza are not terrorist sympathizers.
I suggest you learn the distinction as your comment is offensive and unwelcome.
Troops are not for arresting criminals. They are for causing vast destruction, death, suffering and most importantly, enormous contrition in one's enemies.
Precise strikes are part of the problem. The general Palestinian population seem to support these savages, (making them savages themselves, of course.) All Palestinians who survive this war need to understand that their model of politics through terror is probably only going to win them land in the form of unmarked, communal graves.