OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

CaptainCourtesy · Jan 20, 2009

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Torin said:
Let me define my terms, then -- I call the systematic destruction of a peoples and their way of life genocide. And since when does, "Israeli feelings of religious entitlement in regards to a patch of land," translate to Palestinian aggression? It really sounds to me like you don't have the foggiest as to why this conflict exists in the first place. Or can you enlighten me?

Here is the Wikipedia definition:

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.

Israel is not deliberately trying to destroy the Palestinians. If they were, the Palestinians would be destroyed. You are completely wrong and neither understand the conflict nor the term. Sorry. That's known as "fail".

Also, just as an aside... If genocide doesn't exist, what do you call the Holocaust? A different word with the exact same connotations? Or maybe you're saying that mass killings don't occur, in which case I simply don't wish to converse with you, and anyone else of your ilk around here.

Irrelevant to the issue. Genocide does not exist in the context you claimed. I never said that genocide does not exist in any context. Please do not subscribe to me a position I did not take.

A final point... Even if the Palestinians were the initial antagonists (which they weren't), you have to consider that for the most part, they throw rocks and sticks. The Israelis have the best pilots in the world and, outside of America, the best air-fleet. They. Are. Well. Armed. Period. And they're not attacking the Palestinians with rubber bullets and tear-gas: they're using lead.

The Palestinians were the initial antagonists, and it is irrelevant as to who is better armed. They are the aggressors and that is what matters. I suppose if the Palestinians do not want to be killed, since they only have substandard weaponry, they should not attack a country that is so well armed. Unfortunately, making good choices, does not seem to be one of the Palestinians' better attributes.

CaptainCourtesy · Jan 20, 2009

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Torin said:
By my definition of the word, Wikipedia's, and Dictionary.com's, there IS a genocide. By hey, we're obviously unreliable sources, right?

As I proved, there is not. You do not understand the term.

Torin · Jan 21, 2009

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I don't believe I have seen the Israeli Defensive Forces needlessly killing people just to do it.
Actually, come to think of it. I can only recall them KILLING people when they had been provoked.
What do you think they should do? Honestly, do you think they should lob rockets into a country that could annihilate them? What purpose does it serve?
I honestly don't understand what people expect from the Palestinians.
I hear the anti-Israeli side of things "Israel needs to back off" "Israel shouldnt use that kind of force" but I don't exactly hear anything to the tune of "The Palestinian people need to unite and throw out the organization that is provoking israel to attack in order to paint them in a bad light to the rest of the world via media coverage and propoganda" or "Palestinians need to send a clear message to Israel that they would like nothing more than to sleep easy at night knowing that their own "government" was not trying hide weapons in their mosque and schools."

No. They shouldn't lob rockets into a country that could annihilate them... You just solved part of the puzzle yourself, there; if it is something that they ought not to do, why are they doing it? I've asked this question before, and nobody answered it, so here it is again --

What do you think is each side's root cause for participating in this conflict?

Israel is not deliberately trying to destroy the Palestinians. If they were, the Palestinians would be destroyed. You are completely wrong and neither understand the conflict nor the term. Sorry. That's known as "fail".

Ah, I'm sorry. I consider mass murder, permanent quartering, demolishing homes, creating a checkpoint system that forces people to wait days to travel just a few miles, and colonizing that land as you remove it's occupants, all symptoms of trying to destroy a people. Of course, like I said... You're ignorant on the topic aside from the snippets you gather from reliable sources like Bill O'Reilly and Rush.

Irrelevant to the issue. Genocide does not exist in the context you claimed. I never said that genocide does not exist in any context. Please do not subscribe to me a position I did not take.

Strange, because I think you literally said, "Firstly, genocide doesn't exist." Those were your actual words, unless someone edited your post. Sorry. That's known as, "fail."

The Palestinians were the initial antagonists, and it is irrelevant as to who is better armed. They are the aggressors and that is what matters. I suppose if the Palestinians do not want to be killed, since they only have substandard weaponry, they should not attack a country that is so well armed. Unfortunately, making good choices, does not seem to be one of the Palestinians' better attributes.

Right. Unfortunately, logic does not seem to be one of your better attributes. Unless you're saying that the Palestinian people as a whole are entirely suicidal, how does it make sense to say they'd start a fight with a much better armed opponent? Maybe you should go back and answer my earlier question.

As I proved, there is not. You do not understand the term.

Uh, when? What did you prove? All you showed is your ignorance regarding the situation.

As an aside -- I'm not sure why we started passing around 'fails' and such, but if we're going to have a conversation, can we leave out all the insults and such? ...And can you answer my question? It is pretty much vital towards this topic.

CaptainCourtesy · Jan 21, 2009

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Torin said:
Ah, I'm sorry. I consider mass murder, permanent quartering, demolishing homes, creating a checkpoint system that forces people to wait days to travel just a few miles, and colonizing that land as you remove it's occupants, all symptoms of trying to destroy a people. Of course, like I said... You're ignorant on the topic aside from the snippets you gather from reliable sources like Bill O'Reilly and Rush.

Consider what you want. I doesn't define genocide. Genocide is not happening in Palestine, as defined by the word.concept. It is obvious that you do not understand the topic, as you cannot even grasp the terms.

And I have never watched either O'Reilly, or Rush. I abhor all those idiotic partisan talking heads. Be they left, or be they right.

Strange, because I think you literally said, "Firstly, genocide doesn't exist." Those were your actual words, unless someone edited your post. Sorry. That's known as, "fail."

You misinterpreted. Seems like your style. And a poor debating style it is.

Right. Unfortunately, logic does not seem to be one of your better attributes. Unless you're saying that the Palestinian people as a whole are entirely suicidal, how does it make sense to say they'd start a fight with a much better armed opponent? Maybe you should go back and answer my earlier question.

More evidence that you do not understand the situation in the ME. They seem to have several purposes to this: 1) to continue to play the victim; 2) to, vainly, attempt to garner international support; 3) because the extremists of their religion believe that their religion directs them; 4) because they believe that their terror activities will eventually cause them to win; 5) because they continue to be angry about 60 year old issues rather than moving on and setting up their country; 6) they are illogical.

Now, whatever their purpose/reason is really doesn't matter. They are the aggressors, they continue to breach Israel's sovereignty, forcing Israel to protect herself. This is on them.

Uh, when? What did you prove? All you showed is your ignorance regarding the situation.

As an aside -- I'm not sure why we started passing around 'fails' and such, but if we're going to have a conversation, can we leave out all the insults and such? ...And can you answer my question? It is pretty much vital towards this topic.

You started the insulting and aggression and have continued it. I'd advise you to cease the behavior. Consider this an official warning, and if you have any issues with it, PM me or another mod. Posting such is a violation of Forum Rules.

Now that we have gotten that out of the way, if you choose to post civilly, without your nastiness, I'd be happy to address your question. If not, I'll just watch, and when you act out, I'll deal with you on a different level.

Torin · Jan 21, 2009

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If you don't consider it genocide, or if you're incapable of using the word genocide, then conceed to mass killings in the occcupied territories, then you don't know what's occuring over there. End of story.

You misinterpreted. Seems like your style. And a poor debating style it is.

You know that I quoted you word for word, right? I don't think it is really possible to misinterpret, "firstly, genocide doesn't exist," because that sentence in any possible context still means the same thing.

More evidence that you do not understand the situation in the ME. They seem to have several purposes to this: 1) to continue to play the victim; 2) to, vainly, attempt to garner international support; 3) because the extremists of their religion believe that their religion directs them; 4) because they believe that their terror activities will eventually cause them to win; 5) because they continue to be angry about 60 year old issues rather than moving on and setting up their country; 6) they are illogical.

Now, whatever their purpose/reason is really doesn't matter. They are the aggressors, they continue to breach Israel's sovereignty, forcing Israel to protect herself. This is on them.

Actually, that last sentence there proves you're the one who doesn't understand the situation -- you don't even consider the reasons of the conflict relevant. And you're saying an entire people is illogical? How likely is that? They're just people. It, again, sounds like you've got no idea what you're talking about. You don't, to go back to the earlier metaphore, poke a bear without provication. These people were provoked.

You started the insulting and aggression and have continued it. I'd advise you to cease the behavior. Consider this an official warning, and if you have any issues with it, PM me or another mod. Posting such is a violation of Forum Rules.

Now that we have gotten that out of the way, if you choose to post civilly, without your nastiness, I'd be happy to address your question. If not, I'll just watch, and when you act out, I'll deal with you on a different level.

You started it, actually. Though, I have a feeling you skipped over the part of my last post where I actually pointed that out. And I suppose I'll send a PM or two out, and see if the other mods agree with you. Who knows? Maybe this place is insular enough for them to defend you. I'm new enough here to be unsure. In any case, I'm happy to stop insults if you are -- warning aside.

Creoilis · Jan 21, 2009

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I was going to make a quick note to the order of the definition of genocide. Torin defined the term and in relation to his definition he is correct mostly. The term was coined in the fifties and though there exists an official definition, posited by the UN, it is hardly satisfactory. For one, it excludes the possibility for discrimination against political alignment... The point of all of this is that definitions are flexible, not concrete, and Torin did provide a definition for the term that is acceptable within the context of the discussion. I don't see any reason to attack him for that...he didn't call an apple a goat or anything.

As for the topic, Israel is in the wrong. I can elaborate later but I gotta cop out for the moment.

DeeJayH · Jan 21, 2009

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Torin said:
If you don't consider it genocide, or if you're incapable of using the word genocide, then conceed to mass killings in the occcupied territories, then you don't know what's occuring over there. End of story.

You know that I quoted you word for word, right? I don't think it is really possible to misinterpret, "firstly, genocide doesn't exist," because that sentence in any possible context still means the same thing.

Actually, that last sentence there proves you're the one who doesn't understand the situation -- you don't even consider the reasons of the conflict relevant. And you're saying an entire people is illogical? How likely is that? They're just people. It, again, sounds like you've got no idea what you're talking about. You don't, to go back to the earlier metaphore, poke a bear without provication. These people were provoked.

You started it, actually. Though, I have a feeling you skipped over the part of my last post where I actually pointed that out. And I suppose I'll send a PM or two out, and see if the other mods agree with you. Who knows? Maybe this place is insular enough for them to defend you. I'm new enough here to be unsure. In any case, I'm happy to stop insults if you are -- warning aside.

do you realize that there are almost 1000 replies in this thread alone about this topic
it would serve you well to read it, before jumping in, ignorant and uninformed, and make assumptions about people you have no knowledge of
all of which diminishes you and your opinion

Torin · Jan 21, 2009

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DeeJayH said:
do you realize that there are almost 1000 replies in this thread alone about this topic
it would serve you well to read it, before jumping in, ignorant and uninformed, and make assumptions about people you have no knowledge of
all of which diminishes you and your opinion

Uh, no. I've made comments that were specifically in regard to others which I've specified. Maybe you can point out an assumption I've made about one of the other posters which wasn't related to a comment that person made?Otherwise your post is a little unsubstaniated.

Or did you mean something else?

DeeJayH · Jan 21, 2009

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Torin said:
Uh, no. I've made comments that were specifically in regard to others which I've specified. Maybe you can point out an assumption I've made about one of the other posters which wasn't related to a comment that person made?Otherwise your post is a little unsubstaniated.

Or did you mean something else?

here you go darling
this one jumps out
:2wave:

Torin said:
You're ignorant on the topic aside from the snippets you gather from reliable sources like Bill O'Reilly and Rush.

you have a few posts on this board but you got everybody figured out?
are you a sockpuppet?

Torin · Jan 21, 2009

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It was a jab, not an assumption. This might surprise you, but in reality I could care less what sources he gets his information from; I still disgree with him. Do you have a point, here, or are you just playing blocker/red herring? I don't feel like going back and forth with someone who's just trolling.

Also, I'd like to ask you to not call me darling. One, you don't know me, and two, you've not earned the right to be condescending with me. Maybe if you actually weigh in on the topic, that might change, but this kind of irrelevant tripe does nothing for you... At least Courtesy's posts have relevant substance to them.

DeeJayH · Jan 21, 2009

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Torin said:
It was a jab, not an assumption. This might surprise you, but in reality I could care less what sources he gets his information from; I still disgree with him. Do you have a point, here, or are you just playing blocker/red herring? I don't feel like going back and forth with someone who's just trolling.

Also, I'd like to ask you to not call me darling. One, you don't know me, and two, you've not earned the right to be condescending with me. Maybe if you actually weigh in on the topic, that might change, but this kind of irrelevant tripe does nothing for you... At least Courtesy's posts have relevant substance to them.

sorry about that darling

I guess i would probably stop calling you darling if you actually posted anything reasonably close to facts
so far you are 0/14

Torin · Jan 21, 2009

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DeeJayH said:
sorry about that darling

I guess i would probably stop calling you darling if you actually posted anything reasonably close to facts
so far you are 0/14

Haha. I guess I've found my first true troll on this site. Kind of a pathetic one, too. Have a good day, kid. I'm off to do things in the real world.

First Thought · Jan 21, 2009

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Sir Loin said:
You know what EgoffTib? I’ve sat back and watched you try to trot out your naive moral equivalency arguments throughout this and many threads related to religion. In particular Christian religion. You of course have a great many issues with Christianity.

Mainly because so few Christians are Christ-like.

Unless you would like to claim otherwise? You know me, I just “dream up” these whacky ideas of mine! So far off base am I! You are of course the high minded type who tried to “joke” that Christians were baptized in the urine of Christ. All in good humor naturally.

My sense of humor is a bit warped, I am sorry that you let other people's words affect you so deeply.

Since the scum hide amongst civilians, by design to highlight civilian deaths, your point is what?

That it is quite unfortunate that innocent people have to die. Fairly easy to grasp.

By all means do explain how either Islam or Christianity “teaches just as much violence” as the other. Simply put it is down to you to explain away the basic “teaching” as you say, that ALL who will not convert must fall to the sword. We/I shall await your learned theological understanding of this basic “teaching of violence” you lecture about.

The vast majority of world religions condone violence in their holy book.

WOW, please tell me you honestly and truly meant that this equates killing all who will not convert to Christinaity! Great grasp of the topic there Egoff.So you need a basic tutorial about the life in the here and now versus the hereafter?

Walleye asked me to show him violence being condoned in the Bible. I did just that. Do keep creating strawman to strike down, though; It's quite fun to watch. :lol:

You mean damned, in the afterlife? Where the virgins await those who put to the sword the infidels?

Again, more violent intimidation from the Bible.

Chuckle. Way to post a relevant quote McFly!

Yes, quite relevant in that it condones violence.

Apparently you forgot you “needed a good challenge” here and so you just kept on plowing ahead on the same path, despite your earlier claims.

I do need a good challenge, thus my confusion as to why you bothered to respond to my post.

:2wave:

walleye · Jan 21, 2009

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Of course so few Christians are Christ-like and that includes you.

God does not condone violence. There is violence in the bible, but condoning violence for the sake of violence is never condoned. There are no instances in the bible of Christianity using violence to condone the furtherence of Christianity. That is what you have not shown and you can't because there is none.

There are instances of condoning violence to further Islam and a muslim right on this site has condoned the use of violence to further Islam. Why don't you find a Christian on this site who believes in violence to further the cause of Christianity. Go for it.

Sir Loin · Jan 21, 2009

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EgoffTib said:
Mainly because so few Christians are Christ-like.

Is it possible you truly don’t grasp the absurdity of that rationalization?

EgoffTib said:
My sense of humor is a bit warped, I am sorry that you let other people's words affect you so deeply.

Deeply affected, and let me guess, you really meant that to have some snap. Chuckle.

EgoffTib said:
That it is quite unfortunate that innocent people have to die. Fairly easy to grasp.

The second Hamas stops hiding amongst civilians more innocents will live. Utterly easy to grasp as well.

EgoffTib said:
The vast majority of world religions condone violence in their holy book.

Your claim was that Christianity “teaches just as much violence” as Islam, if you want to add the vast majority of the world religion “condone” violence, have at it. Tell me, do you honestly think those two comments are not the very definition of puerile?

EgoffTib said:
Walleye asked me to show him violence being condoned in the Bible. I did just that. Do keep creating strawman to strike down, though; It's quite fun to watch. :lol:

Ah the moral equivalence equivocation strawman. If every time I’ve had an argument with you, you did not trot out that by now thread bare and tired strawman fient of yours, I’d probably think you are a lot more creative than I currently do. So you were saying something about strawmen? Because I don’t think you really understand what the term means.

EgoffTib said:
Again, more violent intimidation from the Bible.

The bible intimidates as well as teaches and condones violence. Man that word puerile is coming to mind again for some reason.

EgoffTib said:
Yes, quite relevant in that it condones violence.

EgoffTib said:
I do need a good challenge, thus my confusion as to why you bothered to respond to my post.
:2wave:

Well don’t let the tricky English via the medium of rich HTML text work you over to hard over there in your confusion corner.

When it comes to the subject of Christianity you pretty much just claim whatever you want. If it makes any sense or lacks a very mature or informed view be damned! For example claiming that as a “Texan” you can assure posters here that “fundies” as you like to call them, are 75% of the Christians you meet. The only thing more silly than that claim and others you have made, is that you stick to them and try to defend them. Long past the point when it would be more sensible to just admit the obvious.

In short your oh so deep issues with Christianity leave you defending ridiculous and puerile claims and comments, on a regular basis. Hence the “perception” lesson jallman gave you. Hence the reason your perception left you goading and baiting Christians at this website with your urine baptism “humor” and hence the reason someone in a position of authority had to admonish you on the matter. Because to you there was nothing wrong with it, just like to you there is nothing wrong with all of the above.

jallman hit the nail on the head when he commented about your perception of things versus how they really are. I swear it has been a while since I've seen someone so eager to label, stereotype and generalize as you do when you try to take on others for supposedly stereotyping, generalizing and labeling.

peepnklown · Jan 21, 2009

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Israel broke the cease fire.
I am surprised CNN reported it.
YouTube - CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire First

CaptainCourtesy · Jan 22, 2009

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Torin said:
If you don't consider it genocide, or if you're incapable of using the word genocide, then conceed to mass killings in the occcupied territories, then you don't know what's occuring over there. End of story.

It is not genocide, not as defined. Not in the least. Define "mass killings" and then I will tell you if that is happening or not. I suspect not, but it depends on your definition.

You know that I quoted you word for word, right? I don't think it is really possible to misinterpret, "firstly, genocide doesn't exist," because that sentence in any possible context still means the same thing.

Like I said, you misinterpreted. In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian situation, genocide doesn't exist. See? You said "any possible context" and I just proved you wrong. You misinterpreted. It happens.

Actually, that last sentence there proves you're the one who doesn't understand the situation -- you don't even consider the reasons of the conflict relevant. And you're saying an entire people is illogical? How likely is that? They're just people. It, again, sounds like you've got no idea what you're talking about. You don't, to go back to the earlier metaphore, poke a bear without provication. These people were provoked.

No, to be specific, I said it really doesn't matter. The Partition is in place. Israel exists and is not going anywhere. Complaining about Israel's formation is meaningless in the context of solutions, simply because it is not going to change. You are making the same error the Palestinians are making, and have made. You are assigning blame, rather than looking for solutions.

And in the metaphor, Israel is the bear, and the Palestinians are doing the poking.

You started it, actually. Though, I have a feeling you skipped over the part of my last post where I actually pointed that out. And I suppose I'll send a PM or two out, and see if the other mods agree with you. Who knows? Maybe this place is insular enough for them to defend you. I'm new enough here to be unsure. In any case, I'm happy to stop insults if you are -- warning aside.

Here is where you started it:

Torin said:
Wait, wait... 36(ish) years of Occupation and genocide aren't cause (I'm guessing that's what you mean by initial retaliation...) enough to retaliate? Before you make these kinds of statements, it might do you well to actually know about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Prior to this, I had never interacted with you. You are wrong, and have now been proven wrong. You may now apologize.

And doesn't this situation mirror the Israeli-Palestinian one? Here, you started the hostilities and erroneously accused me of doing so. Further, you started hostilities with someone who has far more power (as a mod) than you do. Then of course, you were the first to complain about the "battle". In the scheme of things, this seemed like a poor choice, looking at it conceptually, and as the initiator, you made the error. Obviously, in this analogy, you are Palestine, and I am Israel.

Cool metaphor. Thanks for participating.

CaptainCourtesy · Jan 22, 2009

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Creoilis said:
I was going to make a quick note to the order of the definition of genocide. Torin defined the term and in relation to his definition he is correct mostly. The term was coined in the fifties and though there exists an official definition, posited by the UN, it is hardly satisfactory. For one, it excludes the possibility for discrimination against political alignment... The point of all of this is that definitions are flexible, not concrete, and Torin did provide a definition for the term that is acceptable within the context of the discussion. I don't see any reason to attack him for that...he didn't call an apple a goat or anything.

Sorry, but you can't make up or cherrypick a definition to fit your needs. A definition is a definition. Genocide does not fit what is occurring.

CaptainCourtesy · Jan 22, 2009

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Torin said:
Uh, no. I've made comments that were specifically in regard to others which I've specified. Maybe you can point out an assumption I've made about one of the other posters which wasn't related to a comment that person made?Otherwise your post is a little unsubstaniated.

Or did you mean something else?

You do understand that some of your comments were adhoms which are weak debate tactics. That is what he meant. If you'd like, I can point them all out to you.

Sir Loin · Jan 22, 2009

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Torin, if you are going to insist on trying to spin us round round baby right round, you will fail. Besides if we want spin, quality spinning, your opponent is the superior mix master by far.

aquapub · Jan 22, 2009

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Ahmed Shaheen said:
About 300 killed and 700 injured in 2 Israelian raid on Gaza yesterday..
Targeting Mosques, Police stations, The only oil station, and the only Aid's Store (which was given to them 3 day before).
Isreal said that it was a respond to Hamas for firing rockets on Israel, Which had killed only an Israeli woman.
So its like 1 Israeli women = 1000 killed and injured.
The strikes came after one day only from the return of Egypt's Foreign Minister From there in a visit to calm down the conflict between the two parties, which affected badly on Egypt.

Arabs Now are calling the Egyptian Government and Officials to open the barrier between Gaza and Egypt otherwise they are Involved in this bloody action.

Now a new Arab-Egyptian arguments will start, all because that raid.

Is Israel seeking for peace ?

OMG! Yet another liberal terror-apologist smearing Israel for fighting back! :roll:

Yes, as always, they want peace, and as always, Muslims savagely murder their people without provocation.

Torin · Jan 22, 2009

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It is not genocide, not as defined. Not in the least. Define "mass killings" and then I will tell you if that is happening or not. I suspect not, but it depends on your definition.

You know what term means. Whether you choose to believe it's happening or not doesn't really change what's going on. Whatever sources you have are wrong -- outside of America, most of the world agrees with me. Israel is seen as an aggressor. I'll post some sources soon just to finish with this nonsense.

Like I said, you misinterpreted. In the context of the Israeli-Palestinian situation, genocide doesn't exist. See? You said "any possible context" and I just proved you wrong. You misinterpreted. It happens.

Uh, what? Had you added the term, "In Palestine," that'd make sense. But hey, you're allowed to backpeddle on whatever points you'd like.

No, to be specific, I said it really doesn't matter. The Partition is in place. Israel exists and is not going anywhere. Complaining about Israel's formation is meaningless in the context of solutions, simply because it is not going to change. You are making the same error the Palestinians are making, and have made. You are assigning blame, rather than looking for solutions.

And in the metaphor, Israel is the bear, and the Palestinians are doing the poking.

I don't care that Israel exists. It's whatever. What bothers me is that they choose to use their might to pick on their neighbor because they feel entitled to more land. That is what's going on. If you don't believe me, you need to do the research. And if you're going to sit there and blame Palestinians for the current drama, answer this question -- why did the occupation start to begin with? Or better yet, answer the question you've dodged twice now -- What were both sides root causes for participating in this conflict? The fact you won't respond to that question says to me that you don't know the answer.

As to your whining regarding my initial comment... Really? You're in a debate forum and your skin is that thin? I didn't even intend that as anything other than advise. I really think you should go and do more background research. I'm not joking.

And Sir Lion - When you debate with a mod, I guess you should expect a little fanboy-ism, but just so you know, he doesn't really need your support. He's a fine debater, even if he is a little factually mistaken.

Sir Loin · Jan 22, 2009

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Torin said:
And Sir Lion - When you debate with a mod, I guess you should expect a little fanboy-ism, but just so you know, he doesn't really need your support. He's a fine debater, even if he is a little factually mistaken.

You are right, he is a fine debater as has been proven by your "debate" with him here. But as he has been so busy of late and has not been able to actually debate much I am wondering......how would you know his rich and schooled debate history? You referring to some his debates you saw in the past, when you were posting in here from England not Australia?:devil:

Torin · Jan 22, 2009

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Sir Loin said:
You are right, he is a fine debater as has been proven by your "debate" with him here. But as he has been so busy of late and has not been able to actually debate much I am wondering......how would you know his rich and schooled debate history? You referring to some his debates you saw in the past, when you were posting in here from England not Australia?:devil:

I don't know his history. I only have my conversation with him to reference, here.

And what are you talking about? Are you just trolling or something?

Sir Loin · Jan 22, 2009

Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Torin said:
I don't know his history. I only have my conversation with him to reference, here.

And what are you talking about? Are you just trolling or something?

I actually mistook you for another poster. My bad. However the Spock stuff is an old joke with the Captain, one you might as well get used to now. Likewise you should get used to comments, support, attaboys and commentary of a great variety here on this public forum. Or complain about the same if you think it a worth while endeavor. Fine by me.

OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

No

Yes

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