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OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

  • No

    Votes: 26 37.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 43 62.3%

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I have not suggested Israel return the land stolen between 1918-48, I have simply said it was wrong. You have shown contempt for all established property rights, nay all such rights, that do not come directly from the state. That is pure Bolshevism and you can't get around that.

Let me clarify. I don't believe the state owns my property. I do believe the state has the obligation under the US Constitution to protect my property as an American citizen.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

If you follow the koran you are taught to hate non muslims. Do you follow the koran word for word?


Does this ring a bell?

From The Cow.

"Allah's curse is on the unbelievers."

"Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers."

God forbid it you worship an Idol.

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Yeah, you said that by your self : "non believers", America is a "Christian" Country.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

That doesn't make it right, it was fait accompli. Is it right that Tibet is part of China or the baltic nations were part of the USSR?

Completely non-comparable.

How about that according to international law and the UN that the taking of refugee land is a war crime, once punishable by death. So the UN contrdicts itself and certainly can't be used to divine right and wrong in this case.

What are you talking about? This area was a part of the Ottomon Empire up until WWI. Following WWI, the LEague of Nations assigned the area as a Mandatory territory to the British. It remained that way until the UN partitioned the area into two countries. There is no theft.

The Palestinians are descended from those who have been there since the first millenia BC in general.

And never had a state of their own there.

I accept this, I was just saying if you want to talk about the so called aggression of the Arabs in 67 and 48 then you have to talk about the aggression of the Jews that predates it.

What Jewish army infringed on the sovereignty of a foreign power?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I think that further occupation and settlement provokes terrorism. Israel has never given the whole occupied territories back, until it does that and removes the settlements it is aggressing. This does not excuse the terrorism of course but it means that Israel is in the wrong as well.

See CC another American who seems to think that Israel can do no wrong and that the Palestinians have no rights and are evil, random aggressors.

I'm being balanced, I know that both are wrong. I can't say the same for most Americans I meet.

Occupation of territory held since Israel was invaded is NOT aggression. Israel has the RIGHT to hold the territory in belligerant occupatio pending a treaty determining the final status of the territory.

Israel should NOT give all territory back until there is a peace deal IN PLACE that protects Israel's sovrereignty.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Your a socialist who believes that property depends on the state. Accept that.

The fact that the rulers change should not completely eradicate ancient, customary claims to property. That is certainly against Catholic teaching, it is basically Bolshevism.

no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist
PiusXI

I am not a socialist. However, at the same time, rules change. YOu have to accept them. We are not talking about a Catholic part of the world so Catholic rules to NOT apply.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

One cannot be required without the other. Many times we are told there was a cease-fire, many times it was cold, so how long does it have to be cold for a Palestinian to think?

How many of them does it take to screw in a light bulb?

How long does it takes you to forget about you Murdered son ?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Go cry me a river. They lost. They can't seriously expect to get the land back. :rofl

From a Pro thieves. Never !:mrgreen:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Occupation of territory held since Israel was invaded is NOT aggression.




Everyone knows the fact that Israel hadn't existed peacefully with that sykes picot era.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

From a Pro thieves. Never !:mrgreen:

Yep, it is thevery when several countries try to crush your existance and you take a little land to protect yourself. The Arabs should never have attacked in the first place - you who are obviously pro-aggression (when it suits your purposes)!
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Everyone knows the fact that Israel hadn't existed peacefully with that sykes picot era.

Israel would LIKE to exist peacefully, but its neighbors keep attacking it.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Completely non-comparable.



What are you talking about? This area was a part of the Ottomon Empire up until WWI. Following WWI, the LEague of Nations assigned the area as a Mandatory territory to the British. It remained that way until the UN partitioned the area into two countries. There is no theft.



And never had a state of their own there.



What Jewish army infringed on the sovereignty of a foreign power?

I think that post was addressed to CC, I don't feel like replying to two people with much the same thing.

EDIT: I replied below, CC can refer to that.
 
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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Occupation of territory held since Israel was invaded is NOT aggression. Israel has the RIGHT to hold the territory in belligerant occupatio pending a treaty determining the final status of the territory.
Sure it is aggression. The occupation and settlement of another people's territory is certainly aggression as the British aggressed against Ireland. The Palestinians are then defending themselves by trying to remove this. What is wrong is the despicable tactics of groups like Hamas.

Israel should NOT give all territory back until there is a peace deal IN PLACE that protects Israel's sovrereignty.
Israel should stop aggressing.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I am not a socialist. However, at the same time, rules change. YOu have to accept them. We are not talking about a Catholic part of the world so Catholic rules to NOT apply.

You are supposed to be a Catholic, they are supposed to apply to you.

We are not talking about rules changing but ancient, traditional rights being swept away. Your position is pure Bolshevism.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Israel would LIKE to exist peacefully, but its neighbors keep attacking it.

you got to be kidding ! Had Israel asked to exist peacefully before ?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

All answer it anyway but only briefly. CC can look at these answers

Completely non-comparable.
Sure it is. If you defend the notion that the UN decides what is right and wrong by accepting the fait accompli in Israel, then you have to think these were right as well.



What are you talking about? This area was a part of the Ottomon Empire up until WWI. Following WWI, the LEague of Nations assigned the area as a Mandatory territory to the British. It remained that way until the UN partitioned the area into two countries. There is no theft.
Firstly please stop with the, I think deliberate, tactic of conflating the state with individual property and with the rights of those in an area. They are not the same and they aren't all reliant on the state if you aren't a commie.

You claimed the UN decides right and wrong or CC did but the international law which forms part of the basis of the UN states that the seizing of refugee property is a warcrime. That was done in 48 on a big scale and the absense of a Palestinians state has nothing to do with that, unless you are suggesting that international law and the UN only applies to those with states. Therefore the UN is contradicting itself and the claim that Israel's theft of the land before 48 is fine because the UN recognised it doesn't wash.



And never had a state of their own there.
Irrelevant.

What Jewish army infringed on the sovereignty of a foreign power?
The lack of a sovereign state does not remove the rights of those in an area, that is socialist talk.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Sure it is aggression. The occupation and settlement of another people's territory is certainly aggression as the British aggressed against Ireland. The Palestinians are then defending themselves by trying to remove this. What is wrong is the despicable tactics of groups like Hamas.

Israel should stop aggressing.

Israel came into occupation of those lands through a war started by the Arabs. Israel has the legal right to remain in belligerant occupation of those lands until a treaty of peace formally disposes of those lands. The aggression was the Arabs, NOT Israel.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Israel came into occupation of those lands through a war started by the Arabs.

Sorry ?
You mean that the war happened before Israel exist ?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

You are supposed to be a Catholic, they are supposed to apply to you.

But I am not about imposing my personal beliefs on situations where they clearly are not relevant.

We are not talking about rules changing but ancient, traditional rights being swept away. Your position is pure Bolshevism.

Of course, everyone gets those rights except the Jews.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

you got to be kidding ! Had Israel asked to exist peacefully before ?

Sure they have. They are the ones who are pressing for peace. Right now, Hamas is still attacking Israeli forces and launching rockets.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

All answer it anyway but only briefly. CC can look at these answers

Sure it is. If you defend the notion that the UN decides what is right and wrong by accepting the fait accompli in Israel, then you have to think these were right as well.

The UN has the right to decide by being virtue of the successor of the League of Nations. Remember, the British Mandate was assigned by the League of Nations. Thus, the UN does have a right to have a saw in this matter as it did with territories covered by its own Trusteeship System.

Firstly please stop with the, I think deliberate, tactic of conflating the state with individual property and with the rights of those in an area. They are not the same and they aren't all reliant on the state if you aren't a commie.

However, the issue here is STATE sovereignty, NOT individual property rights -regardless of how much you are trying to make this the issue.

You claimed the UN decides right and wrong or CC did but the international law which forms part of the basis of the UN states that the seizing of refugee property is a warcrime.

I did NOT say the UN decides right and wrong, but the UN had jurisdiction here as this was part of the League of Nations Mandatory System that the UN, as the successor organization to the League, took responsibility for.

That was done in 48 on a big scale and the absense of a Palestinians state has nothing to do with that, unless you are suggesting that international law and the UN only applies to those with states. Therefore the UN is contradicting itself and the claim that Israel's theft of the land before 48 is fine because the UN recognised it doesn't wash.

You have some citations to do here.


Irrelevant.


The lack of a sovereign state does not remove the rights of those in an area, that is socialist talk.[/QUOTE]
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Sure they have. They are the ones who are pressing for peace. Right now, Hamas is still attacking Israeli forces and launching rockets.

I'll ask you Again: how did they existed in peace ?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

1948, 1967, 1973? Well Gaza and West Bank was from 1967.

If you dont know we are talking about Israel occupation to palestine 1948.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

They WANT to live in peace. It is their neighbors who want them to be in pieces.

Mr.ludahai, was the Division made by the UN to Palestine a peaceful choise ?
that was the first existance to Israel.
 
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