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OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

  • No

    Votes: 26 37.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 43 62.3%

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Israel is still occupying and settling the Westbank. If France did that to Dorset I'd consider it an act of war. Both sides are to blame and both need to seek a peaceful solution. The blind apologetics of Americans don't help.

Give me a break.

I suppose you believe that if Israel leaves the Westbank that all will be well. And why does Israel occupy the Westbank? Aggression has clearly been on the Palestinian side and pretending that "both" need to seek a peaceful solution only allows you to pretend that Palestinians are victims.

Palestinians have proven over and over that Israel cannot afford to have faith in them. The last time Israel gave back land, Hamas launched rockets from those positions. How's that for "both" sides need to seek a peaceful solution?
 
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actually didnt we just kill them all and take their land????? :confused:

Yep. If Hitler was on the 20 dollar bill how would the Jews feel? I guess its only right that on the new 20 the eagle actually has the talons with arrows in it closer than the branch. Actually the war eagle also looks like it is purposefully pushing the branch away.

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oops, my bad

LOL. I do that all the time. It's more difficult when you can't see the person and their expressions. Nice to meet ya.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Yep. If Hitler was on the 20 dollar bill how would the Jews feel? I guess its only right that on the new 20 the eagle actually has the talons with arrows in it closer than the branch. Actually the war eagle also looks like it is purposefully pushing the branch away.

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Actually, Hitler had a planned government all drawn up for when he conquored the USA. The land belongs to whoever can defend it.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I will presume that most people are familiar with Wikipedia. It describes itself as "an online free-content encyclopedia that anyone can edit", which I translate to mean that anyone can cite one's self as an authority on any and everything.

The co-founder, Jimmy Wales, describes Wikipedia as "an effort to create and distribute a multilingual free encyclopedia of the highest quality to every single person on the planet in his or her own language." Wikipedia exists to bring knowledge to everyone who seeks it".

Clearly Wikipedia and it's plethora of contributors are sincere and well-meaning, however characterizing all contibuted information as factual is unrealistic and in many cases patently false. Perhaps it would be more apt for Mr. Wales to describe Wikipedia as a great encyclopedia of an accumulation of biased opinions. For that, it is most definitely of the highest quality.

A good example of how Wikipedia is misused quite often appears on LiveLeak, a website where you will find videos on politics, religion and other controversial and thought provoking topics. Many of the videos on one or more of those subjects will from time to time elicit a counter-comment that is rife with allegations and/or accusations that has been referenced from content found on Wikipedia. When further researched using a plethora of well-established reliable sources, the information was found to be conveniently fabricated.

Considering that anyone with an ideological axe to grind and a smattering of writing ability can spin falsehoods on Wikipedia without challenge from the site's editors, clearly it should not be referenced as a valid source for factual information.

Why Wikipedia is Not a Reliable Source for Facts - Associated Content

So rather than dispute the facts presented in the article, you choose to attack the source. Very telling.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually it does predate it is you want to keep going back. Israel was founded on theft.

That's your perception, one that is not accurate. Israel was founded on an international decision.

And if you really want to go back, the Romans stole Israel from the Jews.

This is why the historical argument is stupid. The Partition happened. Israel exists. Israel will continue to exist. Get over it. Deal with it. Complaining about the Partition accomplishes nothing and gears one towards no solutions. Never has, never will.


The UN does not decide right and wrong. The UN was faced with a fait accompli and acted accordingly. The setting up of Israel was aggression if you want to keep trying to go back.

The UN does decide right and wrong. Like or not that is their role. Not my problem if you do not agree with their decision.

And, if you want to keep going back, the setting up of Israel was righting a wrong the occurred and restoring the area to the people who originally were there.

Pointless debate. One you cannot win, and one that offers no solutions. Only the typical "let's blame Israel".

However the attitude is the same here. Your use of the term European is limiting. It is basically the attitude of the world except America who actually cares.

Well, my experience is with Europeans. If you say it is elsewhere too, that's fine.

Europeans or at least Britons in general don't think like that.

In my experience they do.

Don't as far as I have seen.

In my experience they are. You have your experiences. They are not mine. You see Americans in certain way. I do not. I see Europeans and Britons in a certain way. You do not.

No it isn't.:2razz:

Of course it is. :mrgreen:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Did you feel like this on september 12 (about yourself)?

Your post is unclear. Please explain.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

hh, now the charge has turned to me.

No one said that they teaches you to hate Muslims, because we dont teach anyone to hate non-Muslims.

One of the members here claimed that we teach our children to hate non-Muslims in schools.

If you follow the koran you are taught to hate non muslims. Do you follow the koran word for word?


Does this ring a bell?

From The Cow.

"Allah's curse is on the unbelievers."

"Whoever is the enemy of Allah and His angels and His apostles and Jibreel and Meekaeel, so surely Allah is the enemy of the unbelievers."

God forbid it you worship an Idol.

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Your post is unclear. Please explain.

I'm guessing its the same bs line of how we had 9/11 coming.
From the very same people that have always blamed the US for just about every thing wrong in the world......:roll:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I'm guessing its the same bs line of how we had 9/11 coming.
From the very same people that have always blamed the US for just about every thing wrong in the world......:roll:

If you poke someone enough, they get pissed off.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

So rather than dispute the facts presented in the article, you choose to attack the source. Very telling.

Well, not quite. I do dispute the facts and I can show you why if you would like. I did not "attack" wikipedia. I only showed that it is not a reliable scholarly source since it can be edited by anyone. Therefore, it is very often biased and also very often not the truth.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

If you poke someone enough, they get pissed off.

Sure.....Can you point exactly what the poking was?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Dunno, but in my school a teacher could get fired if spreaded Ideas like that

Right again, in your school, which as you clearly stated does not support these anti-american/ethical ideals.

But again, there are scores of schools out there that do - schools unregulated, or probably subsidized by some radical islamist group. And that, in my opinion, is a large part of the belligerence and hatred in the middle east.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

actually didnt we just kill them all and take their land????? :confused:

Actually, the US got all of the land in the continental US from treaties signed with EUropean or Latin American powers that had previously acquired sovereignty over the land (England, France, Spain, MExico, and Russia) with the exception of Texas which petitioned for annexation three times before it was annexed.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually, the US got all of the land in the continental US from treaties signed with EUropean or Latin American powers that had previously acquired sovereignty over the land (England, France, Spain, MExico, and Russia) with the exception of Texas which petitioned for annexation three times before it was annexed.

By golly, you're right.

A lot of Mexicans are claiming the southwestern part of the USA today.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

That's your perception, one that is not accurate. Israel was founded on an international decision.
That doesn't make it right, it was fait accompli. Is it right that Tibet is part of China or the baltic nations were part of the USSR?

How about that according to international law and the UN that the taking of refugee land is a war crime, once punishable by death. So the UN contrdicts itself and certainly can't be used to divine right and wrong in this case.

Land-theft is land-theft.

And if you really want to go back, the Romans stole Israel from the Jews.
The Palestinians are descended from those who have been there since the first millenia BC in general.

This is why the historical argument is stupid. The Partition happened. Israel exists. Israel will continue to exist. Get over it. Deal with it. Complaining about the Partition accomplishes nothing and gears one towards no solutions. Never has, never will.
I accept this, I was just saying if you want to talk about the so called aggression of the Arabs in 67 and 48 then you have to talk about the aggression of the Jews that predates it.


The UN does decide right and wrong. Like or not that is their role. Not my problem if you do not agree with their decision.
:rofl

That is an extremely dubious argument. What ever the UN recognises or ignores then must be okay? So Soviet control of Eastern Europe was dandy?

See above.
And, if you want to keep going back, the setting up of Israel was righting a wrong the occurred and restoring the area to the people who originally were there.
Except that firstly decades ago is not millenia and that the Palestinians have always been there as long as the Jews.
Pointless debate. One you cannot win, and one that offers no solutions. Only the typical "let's blame Israel".


In my experience they are. You have your experiences. They are not mine. You see Americans in certain way. I do not. I see Europeans and Britons in a certain way. You do not.
I have seen few non-American Westerners on here to back up your claims but many Americans back up mine.
 
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Give me a break.

I suppose you believe that if Israel leaves the Westbank that all will be well. And why does Israel occupy the Westbank? Aggression has clearly been on the Palestinian side and pretending that "both" need to seek a peaceful solution only allows you to pretend that Palestinians are victims.

Palestinians have proven over and over that Israel cannot afford to have faith in them. The last time Israel gave back land, Hamas launched rockets from those positions. How's that for "both" sides need to seek a peaceful solution?

I think that further occupation and settlement provokes terrorism. Israel has never given the whole occupied territories back, until it does that and removes the settlements it is aggressing. This does not excuse the terrorism of course but it means that Israel is in the wrong as well.

See CC another American who seems to think that Israel can do no wrong and that the Palestinians have no rights and are evil, random aggressors.

I'm being balanced, I know that both are wrong. I can't say the same for most Americans I meet.
 
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Then they are not really "Arabs", are they?

Again, Catholic teachings have nothing to do with this.

When territory changes sovereignty, the rules change. Accept that. The Ottomons lost, the British came in.
Your a socialist who believes that property depends on the state. Accept that.

The fact that the rulers change should not completely eradicate ancient, customary claims to property. That is certainly against Catholic teaching, it is basically Bolshevism.

no one can be at the same time a good Catholic and a true socialist
PiusXI
 
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That is not true. Arabs were living on it but the British controlled it. That's like saying the United States stole America from the Indians.

Oh so individual, ancient rights to property depend on the grace of the state?

Man we're surrounded by socialists.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Oh so individual, ancient rights to property depend on the grace of the state?

Man we're surrounded by socialists.

"Ancient rights" is a nice slogan but it means nothing. Land is controlled by whoever can defend it. Arabs may contend it is their land, but it is not their land simply because they lived on it. The land belongs to whoever can defend it and control it.
 
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"Ancient rights" is a nice slogan but it means nothing.
That says it all doesn't it..

Land is controlled by whoever can defend it. Arabs may contend it is their land, but it is not their land simply because they lived on it. The land belongs to whoever can defend it and control it.
Pure Bolshevism.
 
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That says it all doesn't it..

Pure Bolshevism.

It does say it all. Ancient rights means nothing. If ancient rights meant anything then an American Indian could walk right up to me and demand I leave my home because his ancestors lived on my property. That isn't going to happen and it's not going to happen in Israel.

No, not Bolshevism. National sovereignty and legal property rights.
 
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It does say it all. Ancient rights means nothing. If ancient rights meant anything then an American Indian could walk right up to me and demand I leave my home because his ancestors lived on my property. That isn't going to happen and it's not going to happen in Israel.

No, not Bolshevism. National sovereignty and legal property rights.

I have not suggested Israel return the land stolen between 1918-48, I have simply said it was wrong. You have shown contempt for all established property rights, nay all such rights, that do not come directly from the state. That is pure Bolshevism and you can't get around that.
 
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