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OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

  • No

    Votes: 26 37.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 43 62.3%

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

It is still aggression.

Irrelevant to my position and the facts of the situation.


I hope you aren't suggesting that the UN can decide what is right.

I am suggesting that the UN has already done this and their decision is binding and in place. Arguing the Partition Plan is pointless. Israel exists. The Palestinians need to figure out how to deal with this. Their current set of choices has worked out badly for them.

But that presentation couldn't be made. They don't tend to be like that, they just tend to actually criticise Israel now and again, but to some that is considered anti-Israeli. And it isn't Europeans, it is the rest of the West. I'm in Australia and it is much the same. Personally I'm a supporter of Israel as much as I am the Palestinians I just criticise Israel from when appropriate.

And I disagree. And as a European, you cannot assess as you are too close to the situation to be objective. This is why each of our perceptions of either the US's or Europe's biases are irrelevant to debate, since they cannot be objective.


And that is an incorrect perception, the problem is American seem to consider any criticism as being anti-Israel.

No, it is an accurate perception. The problem is that Europeans seem to consider any support of Israel as being anti-Palestinian.

See how it works? This is why it is a pointless issue in debate. Each of our perceptions is based on the subjectivity of where we live and our experiences and perceptions. Neither is accurate, and neither further the debate.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Irrelevant to my position and the facts of the situation.
Not really, their aggression predates Hamas'




I am suggesting that the UN has already done this and their decision is binding and in place. Arguing the Partition Plan is pointless. Israel exists. The Palestinians need to figure out how to deal with this. Their current set of choices has worked out badly for them.
So what you are saying is the UN decides what is right. This however does not excuse the Isreali theft of land with Britain's help nor the terrorist attacks against my countrymen.

And I disagree. And as a European, you cannot assess as you are too close to the situation to be objective. This is why each of our perceptions of either the US's or Europe's biases are irrelevant to debate, since they cannot be objective.
I'm in Australia.

No, it is an accurate perception. The problem is that Europeans seem to consider any support of Israel as being anti-Palestinian.
When have I ever given cause for that perception? I have said both are wrong and need to find a joint solution.

My points on Americans in general were correct.


See how it works? This is why it is a pointless issue in debate. Each of our perceptions is based on the subjectivity of where we live and our experiences and perceptions. Neither is accurate, and neither further the debate.
It is only working that way because you are trying to make it so.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Israel is still occupying and settling the Westbank. If France did that to Dorset I'd consider it an act of war. Both sides are to blame and both need to seek a peaceful solution. The blind apologetics of Americans don't help.

The current occupation is legal pending a final status agreement. Remember that the occupation was a result of a war started by the Arabs in 1967. The West Bank was a part of Jordan at the time. There has never been a State of Palestine. Until there is a treaty that deals with the West Bank, the technical status is one of belligerant occuption. That is not an act of war.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually it is an act of war to maintain the occupation and settlement. There is continual taking of land by settlers.

Maintaining the occupation pending the final agreement is NOT illegal, regardless of the length of time.

However, you are right about the settlements. Those ARE illegal.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

It is still aggression.

The occupation is not aggression. It is a result of the aggression of Arabs. Israel has the right to maintain military occupation until the status of the territory is determined by the relevant parties involved. The part that makes this a bit muddled is that Jordan has unilaterally renounced its claims over the territory.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Not really, their aggression predates Hamas'.

But it doesn't predate aggression from Palestinians/Arabs in general. As I said, this makes it irrelevant to my position.

So what you are saying is the UN decides what is right. This however does not excuse the Isreali theft of land with Britain's help nor the terrorist attacks against my countrymen.
The UN decided the Partition Plan and their decision is binding and will not change. Again, arguing the Partition Plan is pointless as it yields no solutions; it only places blame. Israel exists. Palestinians need to figure out better methods of dealing with this fact.

And I never said anything about how pre-Israeli forces acted before the Partition was put in place.


I'm in Australia.

Irrelevant. You are British. In fact, you indicated as such in your previous paragraph. That connects you to Europe.

When have I ever given cause for that perception? I have said both are wrong and need to find a joint solution.
I was not referring to you, I was speaking about Europeans in general. I assumed you were not speaking about me, but Americans in general. If you were speaking about me, I can easily direct you to posts where I have been critical of Israel, and supported Palestinian positions (such as the settlements, for example).

My points on Americans in general were correct.
And my points on Europeans in general were correct.


It is only working that way because you are trying to make it so.
No, it is working because it is accurate.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

The occupation is not aggression. It is a result of the aggression of Arabs.
Which was predated by the aggression of the Israelis. You don't want to go down that route.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

But it doesn't predate aggression from Palestinians/Arabs in general. As I said, this makes it irrelevant to my position.
Actually it does predate it is you want to keep going back. Israel was founded on theft.

The UN decided the Partition Plan and their decision is binding and will not change. Again, arguing the Partition Plan is pointless as it yields no solutions; it only places blame. Israel exists. Palestinians need to figure out better methods of dealing with this fact.
The UN does not decide right and wrong. The UN was faced with a fait accompli and acted accordingly. The setting up of Israel was aggression if you want to keep trying to go back.







Irrelevant. You are British. In fact, you indicated as such in your previous paragraph. That connects you to Europe.
However the attitude is the same here. Your use of the term European is limiting. It is basically the attitude of the world except America who actually cares.
I was not referring to you, I was speaking about Europeans in general. I assumed you were not speaking about me, but Americans in general. If you were speaking about me, I can easily direct you to posts where I have been critical of Israel, and supported Palestinian positions (such as the settlements, for example).
Europeans or at least Britons in general don't think like that.

And my points on Europeans in general were correct.
Don't as far as I have seen.

No, it is working because it is accurate.
No it isn't.:2razz:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Which was predated by the aggression of the Israelis. You don't want to go down that route.

Israel was founded in 1948 and was immediately invaded by its Arab neighbors.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Actually it does predate it is you want to keep going back. Israel was founded on theft.

Theft from whom? The Ottomon Turks? They were the prior sovereigns over the territory. They joined the wrong side and lost the war.

The UN does not decide right and wrong. The UN was faced with a fait accompli and acted accordingly. The setting up of Israel was aggression if you want to keep trying to go back.

You want to go back far enough, the Arabs were in the area as a result of aggression in the 7th century.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Theft from whom? The Ottomon Turks? They were the prior sovereigns over the territory. They joined the wrong side and lost the war.
The individual property owners. Do you really want to go down this socialist road of pretending property only relies on the state? It is against Catholic teaching certainly.



You want to go back far enough, the Arabs were in the area as a result of aggression in the 7th century.[/QUOTE]The Palestinians are generally descended from those who have been there since way into the first millenia BC, as long as the Jews.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

The individual property owners. Do you really want to go down this socialist road of pretending property only relies on the state? It is against Catholic teaching certainly.



You want to go back far enough, the Arabs were in the area as a result of aggression in the 7th century.
The Palestinians are generally descended from those who have been there since way into the first millenia BC, as long as the Jews.[/QUOTE]

Then they are not really "Arabs", are they?

Again, Catholic teachings have nothing to do with this.

When territory changes sovereignty, the rules change. Accept that. The Ottomons lost, the British came in.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

As long as they are supporting this regime with their vote, then yes, the people are responsible for the actions of their government. That's the real kicker about democratic elections...the people bear the responsibility for their government.

They've had nearly two years and they have done nothing. They should start working on this.



Did you feel like this on september 12 (about yourself)?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Because it was founded on the stolen land of their fellow arabs.

That is not true. Arabs were living on it but the British controlled it. That's like saying the United States stole America from the Indians.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Excuse me, but you are Ignoring the fact that their families are getting killed every day, now the last thing they want to do is looking for peace with the ones who raids them, isn't that a logical argument ?

The change you talked about earlier needs a very very long time to happen, after the war gets cold of course.
So when the war will get cold for palestinians to start to think ? that what I hope to happen soon.

Morality though, if they have any, still requires not fighting so as to promote the lifting of the Veil to probe the privates of angels (who walk among us in civilian clothes). The last time I flew on a plane I had my crotch searched by two black women in Atlanta, the cute one was fine but the ugly one I took offense at; it was due to the known rule of warfare or terror the Palestinians and their like minded milieu made popular.

Their families are getting killed because of their Sodomite promoting immorality.

I am not ignoring anything. It is hard to make a cold war when the semicolon of UN resolution 242 requires something of the Palestinians and their milieu, something they have never done even when things were colder:

“Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force;”

One cannot be required without the other. Many times we are told there was a cease-fire, many times it was cold, so how long does it have to be cold for a Palestinian to think?

How many of them does it take to screw in a light bulb?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

That is not true. Arabs were living on it but the British controlled it. That's like saying the United States stole America from the Indians.
actually didnt we just kill them all and take their land????? :confused:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

currently a Floridiot, Nu Yawka by birth

I'm in northeastern Washington right next to Idaho and near Canada. I don't plan on giving my land back to the Indians who lived here. Do you?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

no, just pointing out the flaw in your post
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

no, just pointing out the flaw in your post

My post was tongue in cheek. Telling the Jews that they are on Arab land is the same as telling us that we are on Indian land and to give it back. That isn't going to happen in either case.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

oops, my bad
 
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