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OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

This is also an article written by an Israeli Jewish man who is a professor of History:

On 28 December 2006, the Israeli human rights organization B'Tselem published its annual report about the Israeli atrocities in the occupied territories. Israeli forces killed this last year six hundred and sixty citizens. The number of Palestinians killed by Israel last year tripled in comparison to the previous year (around two hundred). According to B'Tselem, the Israelis killed one hundred and forty one children in the last year. Most of the dead are from the Gaza Strip, where the Israeli forces demolished almost 300 houses and slew entire families. This means that since 2000, Israeli forces killed almost four thousand Palestinians, half of them children; more than twenty thousand were wounded.

ei: Palestine 2007: Genocide in Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing in the West Bank
 
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"The Israeli army made use of phosphorus shells during the war against Hezbollah in attacks against military targets in open ground," he said.

A couple points:
-many major military powers (including the US) have not signed the protocol banning White Phosphorous
-Notice Israel said they used it on military targets in "open ground".
-The GC protocol does not prohibit its use on military targets away from civilian populations.
-The conflict has been highly politicized with Hezbollah deliberately risking Lebanese civilian casualties to bring global sympathy.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

A couple points:
-many major military powers (including the US) have not signed the protocol banning White Phosphorous

Yet most have, which would indicate that there are serious problems with it.

-Notice Israel said they used it on military targets in "open ground".
If it were "open ground", why would there be civilians coming into hospitals with phosphorous burns?

-The GC protocol does not prohibit its use on military targets away from civilian populations.
Right. Yet, civilians were injured, indicating that it was not used away from civilian populations, as the Israeli government claimed.

-The conflict has been highly politicized with Hezbollah deliberately risking Lebanese civilian casualties to bring global sympathy.
Which, I agree, is distasteful.
 
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Yet most have, which would indicate that there are serious problems with it.

Most disagree with war in general and use the GC merely as a form a protest. Does it really matter if someone is killed by flying shrapnel or white phosphorous (which has the added benefit of destroying munitions, weapons and petroleum)

If it were "open ground", why would there be civilians coming into hospitals with phosphorous burns?

The article did not specify civilians. Given the circumstances it would surprise me if injured Hezbollah militants did not use the country's hospitals.

Right. Yet, civilians were injured, indicating that it was not used away from civilian populations, as the Israeli government claimed.

Which, I agree, is distasteful.

A wide variety of armaments were used, you need a lot more evidence to claim that Israel is maliciously using chemical weapons on citizens. Suicide bombs on the other hand, require minimal evidence to show their malicious nature.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Are you saying that every citizen in Gaza is Hamas? A wise man named Walid Shoebat a former PLO terrorist once said.

Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? ~ Walid Shobat

The answer is because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. There has never been a nation of Palestine. The Arab refugees (so called Palestinians)are being used as pawns to create a terror breeding ground, as a form of aggression against Israel and nothing more.The Israeli Arab Conflict is not about geography but about Jew hatred.

No it is about Land, plain and simple.

Whether these people ever had a nation is neither here nor there. They owned most of what is know Israel before 1918 and made up over 90% of the people there, they were kicked out with British help, to our eternal shame, and the Jews moved in. Now Israel has been set up, the Palestinians have no means of changing that and they should recognise this and work for a two-state solution but that doesn't change the way Israel came about.
 
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the land is only important because of it religious history
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

the land is only important because of it religious history

That has an effect but only a small one. Land is land. It is important because you can live, work and draw rent from it. The Crusaders wanted the land partially for its religious value for instance but mostly for its economic and social value. This is quite normal in human history.
 
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Like the Israeli military strikes that used illegal chemical weaponry that "accidentally" hit civilians?

There are NO reports that Israel user ANY type of chemical weapons. That is nothing but pure propaganda. You should be ashemed of yourself for attempting to pass those lies off as fact.

:doh
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

There are NO reports that Israel user ANY type of chemical weapons. That is nothing but pure propaganda. You should be ashemed of yourself for attempting to pass those lies off as fact.

:doh

Oh, Really :





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Now you must Get ashamed of yourself.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Oh, Really :






watch


Now you must Get ashamed of yourself.


1.) This article talks about the war with Hezballah... and has NOTHING to do with the war with Hamas.

2.) Phosphorus shells are NOT considered chemical weapons. Nice try here for you... but you're just incorrect this time.

3.) Phosphorus is merely useed to make the shells more explosive. It is
NOT a chemical weapon.
 
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Aren't all bombs chemical weapons?
 
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Aren't all bombs chemical weapons?

If you want to be a douche about it you could define a water balloon as a chemical weapon. International law makes a clear distinction between conventional and chemical weapons

Source [Wikipedia | Chemical warfare]

Chemical warfare (CW) involves using the toxic properties of chemical substances as chemical weapons to kill, injure, or incapacitate an enemy.

Chemical warfare is different from the use of conventional weapons or nuclear weapons because the destructive effects of chemical weapons are not primarily due to any explosive force. The offensive use of living organisms (such as anthrax) is considered biological warfare rather than chemical warfare; however, the use of nonliving toxic products produced by living organisms (e.g. toxins such as botulinum toxin, ricin, and saxitoxin) is considered chemical warfare under the provisions of the Chemical Weapons Convention. Under this Convention, any toxic chemical, regardless of its origin, is considered a chemical weapon unless it is used for purposes that are not prohibited (an important legal definition known as the General Purpose Criterion).[1]
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

If you want to be a douche about it you could define a water balloon as a chemical weapon. International law makes a clear distinction between conventional and chemical weapons

Source [Wikipedia | Chemical warfare]

I was trying to be an enema about it. I'm not surprised you couldn't tell the difference. :2razz:

Are incindieries chemical or conventional?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Aren't all bombs chemical weapons?

No.

Interetingly enough they are not.

They are considered conventional weapons.

Chemical Weapons:

Mustard Gas
Sarin Gas
VX Gas (really nasty ****) (This stuff is so nasty its never been used)
Napalm

Phosphorus is actually present in the human body.
Phosphorus is also an essential ingredient of all cell protoplasm, nervous tissue, and bones.

It's generally used in making many things such as:

In recent years, concentrated phosphoric acids, which may contain as much as 70% to 75% P2O5 content, have become of great importance to agriculture and farm production. World-wide demand for fertilizers has caused record phosphate production. Phosphates are used in the production of special glasses, such as those used for sodium lamps.
Bone-ash --calcium phosphate-- is used to create fine chinaware and to produce mono-calcium phosphate, used in baking powder.
Phosphorus is also important in the production of steels, phosphor bronze, and many other products. Trisodium phosphate is important as a cleaning agent, as a water softener, and for preventing boiler scale and corrosion of pipes and boiler tubes.

Full Article on this element: Phosphorus

Admitedly, Phosphorus is very poisonous but can be handled safely.

White phosphorus weapons are controversial today because of their potential use against civilians. While the Chemical Weapons Convention does not designate WP as a chemical weapon, various unofficial groups consider it to be one. In recent years, the United States, Israel, Russia, and Argentina have used white phosphorus in combat.

Full Article: White phosphorus: Definition from Answers.com
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I was trying to be an enema about it. I'm not surprised you couldn't tell the difference. :2razz:

Are incindieries chemical or conventional?

They are conventional weapons.
 
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I was trying to be an enema about it. I'm not surprised you couldn't tell the difference. :2razz:

I could - that's why I put in the douche part ;)

Are incindieries chemical or conventional?

According to the definition I don't think they are chemical. A napalm bomb doesn't rely on the fact that napalm is toxic to kill or destroy, it relies on the fire that results when napalm burns. Wiki says that incendiary devices are covered under the UN Convention on Conventional Weapons, so I'd assume the UN agrees with me
 
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Are incindieries chemical or conventional?
Willie Pete airburst rockets are used to provide illumination at night. During the day, WP artillery/mortar shells are oftentimes used to create a smoke curtain.

WP is a legal munition provided it is not used as an anti-personel weapon.
 
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VX Gas (really nasty ****) (This stuff is so nasty its never been used)
Napalm

YouTube - vx gas

Phosphorus is actually present in the human body.
Phosphorus is also an essential ingredient of all cell protoplasm, nervous tissue, and bones.
Plants really, really like phosphorus. Especially when blooming. :D It makes their "fruit" get really big.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

YouTube - vx gas


Plants really, really like phosphorus. Especially when blooming. :D It makes their "fruit" get really big.

That is interesting but frightfully inaccurate.

VX is a nasty nerve agent that attacks the central nervous system.

I hope it never gets used though ... the effects are just to great. Thus, why VX is considered a WMD and an area denial weapon.

VX is just bad news.
 
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I could - that's why I put in the douche part ;)



According to the definition I don't think they are chemical. A napalm bomb doesn't rely on the fact that napalm is toxic to kill or destroy, it relies on the fire that results when napalm burns. Wiki says that incendiary devices are covered under the UN Convention on Conventional Weapons, so I'd assume the UN agrees with me

You may think that but those who are in charge of classifying them do not agree with your assessment.

:)
 
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You may think that but those who are in charge of classifying them do not agree with your assessment.

:)

I'm saying they're not chemical weapons. Given that they are covered by the Convention on Conventional Weapons, I'd say those in charge do agree
 
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Willie Pete airburst rockets are used to provide illumination at night. During the day, WP artillery/mortar shells are oftentimes used to create a smoke curtain.

WP is a legal munition provided it is not used as an anti-personel weapon.

Thanks everyone. This is what I was getting at.

I knew it was legal. I was trying to lead others to that conclusion. They are an incindiery which is legal.

People hear phosphorous and think chemicals. All bombs have chemicals. That isn't what the Geneva Convention meant though. This really shouldn't even be up for debate. I'm with you guys.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I'm saying they're not chemical weapons. Given that they are covered by the Convention on Conventional Weapons, I'd say those in charge do agree


MY bad.

I misread what you posted.

I need stronger glasses!
 
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