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OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for peace ?

Is Israel still seeking for peace ? Read the post below :

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    Votes: 26 37.7%
  • Yes

    Votes: 43 62.3%

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Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

let both sides unleash their dogs of war and lets just see this settled in a couple fo days :shrug:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Perhaps because they choose to look at the history of the situation instead of the most recent turn of events. Israel violently made its state and has been at war ever since, no country wants to get fully involved for a cause that has become questionable.

You need a clue. The violence in 1948 was perpetrated by the ARABS who invaded the newly declared state on the basis of a UN resolution, NOT the JEws.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Egypt started the war in 1967 with the illegal blockade of the Gulf of Eilat.


It was started days after Israel declared Indepedence in 1948.
The Arabs are in the wrong, there is no other way to look at it.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

ORIGIN OF THE ISSUE:

After World War I, the British gained lands in the M.E. that had belonged to the Ottoman Empire since 1520 or so. After 1919, the British Mandate of Palestine, which the League of Nations entrusted to the United Kingdom to administer in the aftermath of World War I, became a Mandate Territory and the U.K. tried to govern fairly so that both the Arabs and the Jews would be able to live peacably together in separate lands.

1. Britain told the Arabs, through Lawrence of Arabia, independence for a united Arab country covering most of the Arab Middle East, in exchange for their supporting the British. This area did not include Palestine.

"I feel it my duty to state, and I do so definitely and emphatically, that it was not intended by me in giving this pledge to King Hussein to include Palestine in the area in which Arab independence was promised. I also had every reason to believe at the time that the fact that Palestine was not included in my pledge was well understood by King Hussein"

The Hussein-McMahon Correspondence

2. Britain had promised to create and foster a Jewish national home as laid out in the Balfour Declaration, 1917.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

The Balfour Declaration

Tensions were up from the beginning. As tens of thousands of Jews immigrated to the ME, many Arabs started to resent it. Violence ensued as Arabs attacked and killed Jewish civilians over issues like land ownership, and ownership of what grows on the land. Different understandings of ownership and miscommunication coupled with increasing numbers of Jews immigrating and being diplaced by rising anti-semtism over time and into the 1930's and Hitler/Facism say an increase in violence.

WWII had a major effect on the situation in Palestine. During the war, the British forbade entry into Palestine of European Jews escaping Nazi persecution, placing them in detention camps or deporting them to places such as Mauritius.

Following the war, 250,000 Jewish refugees were stranded in displaced persons camps in Europe. Despite the pressure of world opinion, in particular the repeated requests of US President Harry S. Truman and the recommendations of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, the British refused to lift the ban on immigration and admit 100,000 displaced persons to Palestine. The Jewish underground forces then united and carried out several attacks against the British. In 1946, the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of the British administration, killing 92 people.

Seeing that the situation was quickly spiraling out of hand, the British announced their desire to terminate their mandate and to withdraw by May 1948.

III. Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below.

Palestine Center - UN Resolution 181

The U.N. votes on the creation of two States: one for the Jewish inhabitants of the Palestine Mandate, and a second one for the Arab inhabitants. The Jewish residents accept, but the Arabs and Palestinians refuse the two State solution and the 1948 war is under way.

It is quite clear that the Arabs feel slighted due to a misunderstanding. They were never promised the Palestine area, but they feel that the encroachment of the Jews and the ommishion of Palestine to their territory justifies violence. Gradually, over time, the Israelies have tightened their grip.

I do not want to get into modern policies, nor do I want to talk about the 1967 War or any other until we can nail down and address the root of the issue. If one side or another is operating off of a false premise of righteousness, then that is how we begin to address a solution.

“Israel is the only state in the world today, and the Jews the only people in the world today, that are the object of a standing set of threats from governmental, religious, and terrorist bodies seeking their destruction. And what is most disturbing is the silence, the indifference, and sometimes even the indulgence, in the face of such genocidal anti-Semitism.”

— Canadian Minister of Justice and Attorney General Irwin Cotler
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Hmmm...reading this, it is good to know that you do not have a good understanding of the historical situation. Perhaps that is your problem.

And this brings what to the debate? Personal attacks from a mod, that's rich.

You should take a closer look at Gaza. 1) Their police stations were just bombed. What about before? 2) Their police supported terorrism, which is why they were bombed. Perhaps if they did what they were supposed to...policed...that might not have happpened.

Absolutely. But let's be clear. You would prefer to blame everyone else other than those whose fault it is...the Palestinians.

So before, when Gaza was rebuilding police stations and their government which suffers consistent attacks, just as Israel does, they are supposed to start a civil war? This is a laughable expectation from someone sitting comfortably in their home.

I'll be sure to blame all Palestinians for the attacks when they become an independent functioning nation without blockades, artillery attacks, border raids, air strikes, and political assassinations. Until then the blame for the instability and general chaos indirectly lies with Israel and directly with the Palestinian people. Since you're a smart guy, you must realize that this first impression analysis is inadequate for the situation.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

After their victory, Israel passed a law that allowed Arab refugees
to re-settle in Israel provided they would sign a form in which they
renounced violence, swore allegiance to the state of Israel, and became
peaceful productive citizens. During the decades of this law’s tenure,
more than 150,000 Arab refugees have taken advantage of it to resume productive lives in Israel. Jews do not have a similar option to become citizens of Arab states from which they are banned.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Arabs Now are calling the Egyptian Government and Officials to open the barrier between Gaza and Egypt otherwise they are Involved in this bloody action.

If they open their borders its only a matter of time before someone from the Axis of Good bombs um due to Egypt appeasing terrorists.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

And this brings what to the debate? Personal attacks from a mod, that's rich.

That was in no way, shape or form... an insult.
It was an observation or assessment, if anything.
Perhaps you are simply feeling inadequate? :lol:



I'll be sure to blame all Palestinians for the attacks when they become an independent functioning nation without blockades, artillery attacks, border raids, air strikes, and political assassinations. Until then the blame for the instability and general chaos indirectly lies with Israel and directly with the Palestinian people. Since you're a smart guy, you must realize that this first impression analysis is inadequate for the situation.


The reason for the blockades, artillery attacks, border raids, air strikes, and political assassinations is completely and utterly the fault of the Arabs... the ones that invaded Israel days after they declared independence and the ones that are relentlessly fighting, breaking truces, conducting cowardly rocket attacks, doing political assissinations of their own and after all is said and done, simply NOT living peacefully or respecting truces and peace.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

After their victory, Israel passed a law that allowed Arab refugees
to re-settle in Israel provided they would sign a form in which they
renounced violence, swore allegiance to the state of Israel, and became
peaceful productive citizens. During the decades of this law’s tenure,
more than 150,000 Arab refugees have taken advantage of it to resume productive lives in Israel. Jews do not have a similar option to become citizens of Arab states from which they are banned.


http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf

Damn they are good. Make the only "viable" option your option. Israel should now be known as "The BlackHole State" Absorbing you in the near future. Then America can join and well all be "The BlackHole States."

Got ethnocentrism?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

ORIGIN OF THE ISSUE:

After World War I, the British gained lands in the M.E. that had belonged to the Ottoman Empire since 1520 or so. After 1919, the British Mandate of Palestine, which the League of Nations entrusted to the United Kingdom to administer in the aftermath of World War I, became a Mandate Territory and the U.K. tried to govern fairly so that both the Arabs and the Jews would be able to live peacably together in separate lands.

1. Britain told the Arabs, through Lawrence of Arabia, independence for a united Arab country covering most of the Arab Middle East, in exchange for their supporting the British. This area did not include Palestine.

"I feel it my duty to state, and I do so definitely and emphatically, that it was not intended by me in giving this pledge to King Hussein to include Palestine in the area in which Arab independence was promised. I also had every reason to believe at the time that the fact that Palestine was not included in my pledge was well understood by King Hussein"

The Hussein-McMahon Correspondence

2. Britain had promised to create and foster a Jewish national home as laid out in the Balfour Declaration, 1917.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

The Balfour Declaration

Tensions were up from the beginning. As tens of thousands of Jews immigrated to the ME, many Arabs started to resent it. Violence ensued as Arabs attacked and killed Jewish civilians over issues like land ownership, and ownership of what grows on the land. Different understandings of ownership and miscommunication coupled with increasing numbers of Jews immigrating and being diplaced by rising anti-semtism over time and into the 1930's and Hitler/Facism say an increase in violence.

WWII had a major effect on the situation in Palestine. During the war, the British forbade entry into Palestine of European Jews escaping Nazi persecution, placing them in detention camps or deporting them to places such as Mauritius.

Following the war, 250,000 Jewish refugees were stranded in displaced persons camps in Europe. Despite the pressure of world opinion, in particular the repeated requests of US President Harry S. Truman and the recommendations of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, the British refused to lift the ban on immigration and admit 100,000 displaced persons to Palestine. The Jewish underground forces then united and carried out several attacks against the British. In 1946, the Irgun blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, the headquarters of the British administration, killing 92 people.

Seeing that the situation was quickly spiraling out of hand, the British announced their desire to terminate their mandate and to withdraw by May 1948.

III. Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in part III of this plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in parts II and III below.

Palestine Center - UN Resolution 181

The U.N. votes on the creation of two States: one for the Jewish inhabitants of the Palestine Mandate, and a second one for the Arab inhabitants. The Jewish residents accept, but the Arabs and Palestinians refuse the two State solution and the 1948 war is under way.

It is quite clear that the Arabs feel slighted due to a misunderstanding. They were never promised the Palestine area, but they feel that the encroachment of the Jews and the ommishion of Palestine to their territory justifies violence. Gradually, over time, the Israelies have tightened their grip.

I do not want to get into modern policies, nor do I want to talk about the 1967 War or any other until we can nail down and address the root of the issue. If one side or another is operating off of a false premise of righteousness, then that is how we begin to address a solution.

“Israel is the only state in the world today, and the Jews the only people in the world today, that are the object of a standing set of threats from governmental, religious, and terrorist bodies seeking their destruction. And what is most disturbing is the silence, the indifference, and sometimes even the indulgence, in the face of such genocidal anti-Semitism.”

— Canadian Minister of Justice and Attorney General Irwin Cotler

What a clean and severely lacking account of events. It all sounds logical and fair...if it happened today. Your historical account lacks context. What nations comprised the UN in 1948? Where did the IDF originate from and what forms of coercion did they use to twist the UN's arm into giving them a state? The answer: welcome to the age of terrorism on a democratic state.

No country in the world would allow the kind of immigration happening in the 1940s, even Britain saw the problem with it and they attempted to stop the Zionist immigration.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Damn they are good. Make the only "viable" option your option. Israel should now be known as "The BlackHole State" Absorbing you in the near future. Then America can join and well all be "The BlackHole States."

Got ethnocentrism?

Since when is making a viable option the only option?

Since when is passing a law allowing refugees to re-settle in a land providing they would sign a form in which they renounced violence, swore llegiance to the state, and became peaceful productive citizens something that is wrong or bad? :rofl
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

What a clean and severely lacking account of events. It all sounds logical and fair...if it happened today. Your historical account lacks context. What nations comprised the UN in 1948? Where did the IDF originate from and what forms of coercion did they use to twist the UN's arm into giving them a state? The answer: welcome to the age of terrorism on a democratic state.

No country in the world would allow the kind of immigration happening in the 1940s, even Britain saw the problem with it and they attempted to stop the Zionist immigration.

Well too bad it happened in an age where it was allowed. What are we supposed to do? Undo what was done so people like you can feel better about sympathizing with a terrorist regime?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

What a clean and severely lacking account of events. It all sounds logical and fair...if it happened today. Your historical account lacks context. What nations comprised the UN in 1948? Where did the IDF originate from and what forms of coercion did they use to twist the UN's arm into giving them a state? The answer: welcome to the age of terrorism on a democratic state.

No country in the world would allow the kind of immigration happening in the 1940s, even Britain saw the problem with it and they attempted to stop the Zionist immigration.

It is logical and fair. You can say that might happen now, in fact. What if China fell and the UN took over and returned Tibet, for example. There are others.

The IDF was formed in the 30's, but was official in 1948. Not sure what you think the IDF did to the UN in less than three years that allowed them to coerce the world into doing something that was already kinda going on for the past twenty years.

My outline perfectly aligns contextually... Lets see something of your own, for it is sophomoric and easy to sit back and attempt to discredit arguments with nothing but your opinion.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

You need a clue. The violence in 1948 was perpetrated by the ARABS who invaded the newly declared state on the basis of a UN resolution, NOT the JEws.

I'm not denying the start of the war...Israel attacked first, but only after it was obvious and publicly declared by the Arab nations that there would be a war.

The Arab nations, having suffered from the effects of colonialism or subjugation by a foreign power for the past 50 years saw the Western installed state of Israel a slap in the balls.

Why do you think no western nations entered the war in 1948 or even 1967? They could never sell it to their public due to the questionable nature of Israel's creation.

This conflict is not about territory, it is far to complicated to adequately describe in a paragraph.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Well too bad it happened in an age where it was allowed. What are we supposed to do? Undo what was done so people like you can feel better about sympathizing with a terrorist regime?

And that is what it is all about... people sympathizing with terrorists instead of demanding that those that would be terrorists instead conduct themselves properly and peacefully.

Nobody in the world would back Israel if Hamas got rid of all of the guns and stopped rocket attacks and started wearing suits, walked up to the Israeli soldiers with flowers and peaceful treaties. It would be Gandhi and the British Empire all over again, except in today's world, NOBODY would allow the Israelis to keep killing unarmed peaceful protesters like they allowed the British to get away with back in the days of mass racism.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I'm not denying the start of the war...Israel attacked first, but only after it was obvious and publicly declared by the Arab nations that there would be a war.

The Arab nations, having suffered from the effects of colonialism or subjugation by a foreign power for the past 50 years saw the Western installed state of Israel a slap in the balls.

Why do you think no western nations entered the war in 1948 or even 1967? They could never sell it to their public due to the questionable nature of Israel's creation.

This conflict is not about territory, it is far to complicated to adequately describe in a paragraph.
None helped Israel because they didn't need help.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

My outline perfectly aligns contextually... Lets see something of your own, for it is sophomoric and easy to sit back and attempt to discredit arguments with nothing but your opinion.

Sorry, your post was more than opinion?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

I'm not denying the start of the war...Israel attacked first, but only after it was obvious and publicly declared by the Arab nations that there would be a war.


1948 Arab–Israeli War

[edit] First phase: 14 May 1948–11 June 1948
The British mandate over Palestine was due to expire on 15 May, but Jewish Leadership led by future Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion, declared independence on 14 May. The State of Israel declared itself as an independent nation, and was quickly recognized by the United States, the Soviet Union, and many other countries.

Over the next few days, approximately 1,000 Lebanese, 5,000 Syrian, 5,000 Iraqi, and 10,000 Egyptian troops invaded the newly-established state. Four thousand Jordanian troops invaded the Corpus separatum region encompassing Jerusalem and its environs, as well as areas designated as part of the Arab state by the UN partition plan. They were aided by corps of volunteers from Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.


1948 Arab–Israeli War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


1948_arab_israeli_war_-_May15-June10.jpg



I see lots of RED lines entering Israel.
Where are Israels intial "Attack" routes.
Or again... do you have nothing? ;)


The Arab nations, having suffered from the effects of colonialism or subjugation by a foreign power for the past 50 years saw the Western installed state of Israel a slap in the balls.

50 years? The Ottomans fell in 1917, and the Mandate started in 1922.
I would say... 25 years. Perhaps your issue is in not keeping things in "context", eh? ;)


Why do you think no western nations entered the war in 1948 or even 1967? They could never sell it to their public due to the questionable nature of Israel's creation.

They didn't enter the war in 1948 because WWII had just ended and there was this little thing called the Cold War happening, the Berlin Airlift was in effect, the Chinese Revolution was in full effect... you kow, the world was in turmoil and had just ended a World War were 60 million civilians died, most British and Americans wanted to be done, but had to contend with the freaking Russians. I am beginning to understand Captain Courtesy's assessment more and more... :2razz:


This conflict is not about territory, it is far to complicated to adequately describe in a paragraph.

This conflict is everything about territory. Are you insane?
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

Sorry, your post was more than opinion?


*sigh* Yeah... to any honest person.
Historical Interpretation. I supplied evidence and tied together that with history. :roll:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea


This illuminates your ignorance on this entire subject!
:roll:

If you don't accept this as reality then there really is no sense discussing this further with you.

In Ahmed's defense, he lives in Egypt and was most likely raised with the attitude that Israelis hate Arabs, surrounded by people who also were raised with that attitude. Also, I doubt the Egyptian media provides unbiased coverage by interviewing and printing both sides of the conflict, so obviously one having access only to one side will come to believe that side is the correct one.

The fact that Ahmed is here, listening to alternative ways of thinking is positive. Of course he doesn't agree, and he is struggling with a new language which makes communication even more difficult. What some of us are saying and the newspaper links he's been given go against everything he's been taught to believe. Still... he has come here, not to an Arab site where everyone agrees with him... and I have to believe he has come here because a part of him wants knowledge he can only get in an international forum.

That shows some character. I know I'd be scared to go argue my point of view on Arab sites if I had been raised to believe that all Arabs hated me and wanted my people dead. So I'm glad Ahmed is here, and I hope he continues to feel safe enough to both debate with us and learn from us... as we can learn from him as well.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

In Ahmed's defense, he lives in Egypt and was most likely raised with the attitude that Israelis hate Arabs, surrounded by people who also were raised with that attitude. Also, I doubt the Egyptian media provides unbiased coverage by interviewing and printing both sides of the conflict, so obviously one having access only to one side will come to believe that side is the correct one.

The fact that Ahmed is here, listening to alternative ways of thinking is positive. Of course he doesn't agree, and he is struggling with a new language which makes communication even more difficult. What some of us are saying and the newspaper links he's been given go against everything he's been taught to believe. Still... he has come here, not to an Arab site where everyone agrees with him... and I have to believe he has come here because a part of him wants knowledge he can only get in an international forum.

That shows some character. I know I'd be scared to go argue my point of view on Arab sites if I had been raised to believe that all Arabs hated me and wanted my people dead. So I'm glad Ahmed is here, and I hope he continues to feel safe enough to both debate with us and learn from us... as we can learn from him as well.

Are there arab debate sites like this done in English?
 
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Are there arab debate sites like this done in English?

I honestly don't know. Since Ahmed has learned enough English to communicate on an English language site, I supposed I'd be expected to know enough Arabic to communicate on an Arab language site... and I think we both know that ain't gonna happen. I'm a bit too, er, obtuse to learn a second language at my age! :mrgreen:
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

And this brings what to the debate? Personal attacks from a mod, that's rich.

It was no personal attack. It exposes that you do not have a good grasp of the history of this situation based on the post that I responded to. It goes to your credibility which is completely pertinent in debate.



So before, when Gaza was rebuilding police stations and their government which suffers consistent attacks, just as Israel does, they are supposed to start a civil war? This is a laughable expectation from someone sitting comfortably in their home.

And it is completely laughable for you to claim that they should not do something active to control their own destiny.

I'll be sure to blame all Palestinians for the attacks when they become an independent functioning nation without blockades, artillery attacks, border raids, air strikes, and political assassinations. Until then the blame for the instability and general chaos indirectly lies with Israel and directly with the Palestinian people. Since you're a smart guy, you must realize that this first impression analysis is inadequate for the situation.

And all above is irrelevant. No forcing the Palestinian people to take responsibility for their decisions (electing Hamas) and their inaction, infantalizes them and makes them irrelevant. That is what you are proposing. I am proposing that they take action for their own futures and if they want the bombings to stop, to do something about it. Put a stop to those who are responsible...Hamas. Perhaps you would see this if you would stop blaming Israel for a situation that they did not create.
 
Re: OMG.. About 300 killed and 700 injured. Do you think Israel still seeking for pea

What a clean and severely lacking account of events. It all sounds logical and fair...if it happened today. Your historical account lacks context. What nations comprised the UN in 1948? Where did the IDF originate from and what forms of coercion did they use to twist the UN's arm into giving them a state? The answer: welcome to the age of terrorism on a democratic state.

No country in the world would allow the kind of immigration happening in the 1940s, even Britain saw the problem with it and they attempted to stop the Zionist immigration.

And guess what? All of what you say is irrelevant. Here's the bottom line. Israel exists and is not going anywhere. Don't like that? Tough ****. Either folks learn to deal with this simple truth and figure out how to live peaceably, or the fighting will continue. This is on the Palestinians. Those that do not want Israel to exist had better learn to deal with it's existence. As many have pointed out; Israel has far better weapons. If Hamas wants to keep pushing the envelope and keep up with their violence in some idiotic hope that Israel will go away, all that will happen is that more Palestinians will die. That will be the outcome, here. It is up to the Palestinians to put a stop to this.

Oh, and focusing on the past and what happened with the UN in 1948 is IRRELEVANT. No logical discussion comes from it and it is a diversionary debate tactic. Try focusing on the present.
 
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In Ahmed's defense, he lives in Egypt and was most likely raised with the attitude that Israelis hate Arabs, surrounded by people who also were raised with that attitude. Also, I doubt the Egyptian media provides unbiased coverage by interviewing and printing both sides of the conflict, so obviously one having access only to one side will come to believe that side is the correct one.

The fact that Ahmed is here, listening to alternative ways of thinking is positive. Of course he doesn't agree, and he is struggling with a new language which makes communication even more difficult. What some of us are saying and the newspaper links he's been given go against everything he's been taught to believe. Still... he has come here, not to an Arab site where everyone agrees with him... and I have to believe he has come here because a part of him wants knowledge he can only get in an international forum.

That shows some character. I know I'd be scared to go argue my point of view on Arab sites if I had been raised to believe that all Arabs hated me and wanted my people dead. So I'm glad Ahmed is here, and I hope he continues to feel safe enough to both debate with us and learn from us... as we can learn from him as well.

And one further point on this. Though I disagree, completely, with Ahmed's position, I respect and appreciate the way he is presenting it. None of the typical anti-Israeli nastiness that we often see.
 
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