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Is this a crime?

See OP: Have the US soldiers committed a crime?

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Some people here seem to be confused as to the difference between a police action and a war.
The fact that some of the politically correct called the Korean War a police action really riled many, including me.
In Iraq, however things are a bit different .
Is this officially a police action or a war ??
I do not know..
The troops over there are the ones to answer this question...
 
earthworm said:
Some people here seem to be confused as to the difference between a police action and a war.
The fact that some of the politically correct called the Korean War a police action really riled many, including me.
In Iraq, however things are a bit different .
Is this officially a police action or a war ??
I do not know..
The troops over there are the ones to answer this question...
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IMO irrespective of whether or not someone called the preemptive invasion of Iraq a war or a police action at the beginning it's now neither. Now it's an occupation.
 
shiznit770 said:
Would you fire if there was a slim chance of killing the insurgent and a high chance of killing civilians? Where do you draw the line between doing your job (ensure the stability of the Iraqi government and safety of its citizens) and saving yourself?
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You havent been in combat, have you?

While US servicemen are trained to used aimed semi-auto fire at specific, identifiable targets, there are many many times where this is impossible.

At those moments, there's no way for the soldier to judge 'chances'.
 
Goobieman said:
You havent been in combat, have you?

While US servicemen are trained to used aimed semi-auto fire at specific, identifiable targets, there are many many times where this is impossible.

At those moments, there's no way for the soldier to judge 'chances'.
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If you lose your judgment when you enter combat, then maybe you aren't cut out for the job.
 
shiznit770 said:
I never said I did.
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I see.
So, you arent really qualified to specify the level of jidgement necessary to engage in combat to the standards set by the US military.

In other words, YOU stating that "If you lose your judgment when you enter combat, then maybe you aren't cut out for the job" doesnt mean much.

I value human life more than some and would be ill suited to be in the military.
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Just so lonmg as you realize that your standards are meaningless in the real world, that's fine
 
Goobieman said:
I see.
So, you arent really qualified to specify the level of jidgement necessary to engage in combat to the standards set by the US military.

In other words, YOU stating that "If you lose your judgment when you enter combat, then maybe you aren't cut out for the job" doesnt mean much.


Just so lonmg as you realize that your standards are meaningless in the real world, that's fine
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So you think my opinion is less valuable because I haven't had a violent life?

You say my standards are meaningless, but they are exactly what separates me from people like you.
 
shiznit770 said:
So you think my opinion is less valuable because I haven't had a violent life?
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No... your opinion is less valuable because you don't know what you're talking about.

You say my standards are meaningless, but they are exactly what separates me from people like you.
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Yes.. the difference being that YOU dont have a clue; and that people like me do.
A seperation I'm happy to maintain.
 
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Goobieman said:
No... your opinion is less valuable because you don't know what you're talking about.
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I know if I had to choose between killing 50 people (1 shooting at me and 49 innocent) and losing my life. I would rather lose my own life.
 
shiznit770 said:
I know if I had to choose between killing 50 people (1 shooting at me and 49 innocent) and losing my life. I would rather lose my own life.
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Darwin in action.
 
shiznit770 said:
Don't forget religious conviction and morals.
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If that's the excuse you want to use to explain how nature weeds out the weak, slow and stupid, that's fine by me.
 
shiznit770 said:
People like you make me ashamed to be an American.
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Aside from the fact that people like me are why you're -able- to be an American...

Feel free to leave -- we adults wont miss you.
 
Goobieman said:
Aside from the fact that people like me are why you're -able- to be an American...

Feel free to leave -- we adults wont miss you.
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Who said I wanted to leave? I enjoy reading your amoral self-destructive posts. It strengthens my own convictions. It also shows how deluded you have to be to think that America would cease to be without war hawks creating wars abroad every few years. Finally, its terribly ironic how you consider yourself an adult. You are by far the worst debater on these forums, nearly always resorting to cheap tactics and personal attacks. Nevertheless, its always fun to poke the Goobieman. :2wave:
 
shiznit770 said:
Who said I wanted to leave?
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Seems to me that if you dont like it, you can leave.
Otherwise, you'll just have to live with being ashamed.
Your call.

I enjoy reading your amoral self-destructive posts. It strengthens my own convictions.
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It doesnt make Darwin any less right, or you any less incompetent to judge.
 
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Goobieman said:
Seems to me that if you dont like it, you can leave.
Otherwise, you'll just have to live with being sick.
Your call.

It doesnt make Darwin any less right, or you any less incompetent to judge.
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Darwin's logic is not so simple. I am intelligent enough to not put myself in said situation. You however will blindly use Darwin to warmonger and get more people killed. You're like the general throwing the (weaker) troops into the fray to save yourself. You may find it logically appealing, but I find it morally appalling.
 
shiznit770 said:
Darwin's logic is not so simple. I am intelligent enough to not put myself in said situation. You however will blindly use Darwin to warmonger and get more people killed. You're like the general throwing the (weaker) troops into the fray to save yourself. You may find it logically appealing, but I find it morally appalling.
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Nothing here makes Darwin any less right, or you any less incompetent to judge.
 
Goobieman said:
Nothing here makes Darwin any less right, or you any less incompetent to judge.
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I never said Darwin was wrong, just pointing out how Darwin works for animals but is despicable for humans. How are you any more "competent to judge" than I? What have you done that makes you better able to value life or understand the situation.
 
shiznit770 said:
I never said Darwin was wrong...
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So you agree that your stand on this issue is an example of Darwin in action.
Thanks for your honesty.
 
Goobieman said:
So you agree that your stand on this issue is an example of Darwin in action.
Thanks for your honesty.
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My stance on the issue is that if the soldiers share similar judgment to yours, their "service" is nothing more than a misguided power trip and they are doing more harm than good on behalf of our country.
 
shiznit770 said:
My stance on the issue is that if the soldiers share similar judgment to yours, their "service" is nothing more than a misguided power trip and they are doing more harm than good on behalf of our country.
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Yes -- and you arent competent to make that judgement.
Nothing you have posted has changed this

The position you've taken that indicates that Darwin was correct was that you'd rather die yourself that kill 49 innocents in pursuit of killing one of the enemy. You, yourself, agree that your stand on this point is indeed evidence that Darwin was right.

Was there anything else, or were you going to just continue to submit posts that do nothing to invalidate the assertions, above?
 
Goobieman said:
Yes -- and you arent competent to make that judgement.
Nothing you have posted has changed this

The position you've taken that indicates that Darwin was correct was that you'd rather die yourself that kill 49 innocents in pursuit of killing one of the enemy. You, yourself, agree that your stand on this point is indeed evidence that Darwin was right.

Was there anything else, or were you going to just continue to submit posts that do nothing to invalidate the assertions, above?
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Yes there was something else, what qualifies you as competent to make the judgment? Or are you not responding out of fear of hypocrisy?
 
shiznit770 said:
Yes there was something else, what qualifies you as competent to make the judgment? Or are you not responding out of fear of hypocrisy?
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I see that you have chosen the latter.
No surprirse. Carry on.
 
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