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Polygamy: Why not?

Would You Support Polygamy

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 41.3%

  • No

    Votes: 23 30.7%

  • Undecided but open to either side.

    Votes: 3 4.0%

  • I couldn't care less either way.

    Votes: 18 24.0%
  • Total voters
    75
Goshin said:
:thumbs: Ah, I suspected so. Heinlein was always deep and thought-provoking, even in the novels he considered his "juveniles". Still, over time he did not prove to be much of an oracle about actual future events. Not that I think good science-fiction writers have to be, just that I know people who practically revere RAH as a prophet.

There is a certain appeal to the idea; the continuity and safety in numbers. Sometimes the modern "nuclear family" seems a little lonely and isolated.

My own extended family is relatively tight, twenty of us total counting the kids and most of us live within 30 minutes drive. Last week my sister and BIL drove me to the hospital for an emergency appendectomy, and stayed with me all day long, since they were the closest available family (and my son doesn't drive yet, etc.). That's not unusual for us... but I know of families where brothers haven't spoken on the phone for ten years, nobody lives in the same state and each "nucleus" faces everything alone... I could see the appeal.
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Thanks for sharing about your family. Sounds great. We have been an extended family that has scattered to the winds. I personally lived in Charlotte, NC, Alexandria, VA, San Diego, CA, Boston, MA, Seattle, WA, before coming back to VA. I moved back here to be close to my sister and her family - youngsters growing up and all. Parents are in SC, but come visit a lot. It's better now being here.
 
EpicDude86 said:
These are from my earlier post:

About 78% of human societies are polygynous, in which some men marry more than one wife.

-Murdock, George Peter. Ethnographic Atlas.

Only 22% of societies are strictly monogamous. No modern societies are polyandrous, in which one woman marries several husbands (not counting extramarital sex, and a poor region of India and Tibet where women marry brothers because the work of several men is needed to provide resources to raise a family). Only 3% of mammal species in general are monogamous, although at least 15% of primate species are.

-Insel, T.R., Winslow, J.T., Wang, X., Young, L.J. "Oxytocin, Vasopressin, and the Neuroendocrine Basis of Pair Bond Formation," in Vasopressin and Oxytocin: Molecular, Cellular, and Clinical Advances, (Plenum, 1998, ISBN 0-306-45928-0), p. 217.
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What does this have to do with what I said?

And FYI, just because 78% of societies are polygynous doesn't mean that 78% of the population is.

The ever increasing trend of older people moving back in with their elderly parents, increases in extended families living together, the increase in divorce and repeat divorce rates, increase in publica acceptance of single parents. In general society is shifting as a whole in terms of relationships. We're beginning to open up to new ideas instead of the same old stereotypes and norms.
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This is certainly happening in Europe, which is why the whole region is likely to be Muslim-dominated within a few generations. It's happened in America to some extent, sure, but not enough to destroy the "nuclear family" to the extent that it has been done in Europe. In any case, with the exception of extended families living together (has this really increased? I was under the impression that it is happening less than in the past), most Americans are worried about these trends and many want to pursue policies to attempt to reverse them.
 
winston53660 said:
Have you met the Flinstones the modern stone age family?
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Flint-stones
meeet the Flint-stones

theeeeir a modern stone age faaamiiiilyyyy

From their

town of Bedrock

Their a page right out of hiiiistoooooryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 
reefedjib said:
Thanks for sharing about your family. Sounds great. We have been an extended family that has scattered to the winds. I personally lived in Charlotte, NC, Alexandria, VA, San Diego, CA, Boston, MA, Seattle, WA, before coming back to VA. I moved back here to be close to my sister and her family - youngsters growing up and all. Parents are in SC, but come visit a lot. It's better now being here.
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Daymn that makes me think of a Johnny Cash song.

I've been every man I've been every where man
 
Best. Cartoon. Ever.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgzZ2Ta0EpA"]YouTube- jem and the holograms theme song[/ame]
 
It's great how the lawmakers and press suck up to people like Hugh the Playboy but frown upon other folk who also believe it is OK to have more than just one woman.

I met a man in Montana who had 3 wives and 11 children. He lived on a million acre farm with his family, and all were very good people.

I thought, man, what a life he has - comes into town now and then, fills up the vehicle with groceries and goods, then heads home for the night with his family.

Three wives - plain lookingly dressed, but healthy, nice bodied and cute in their own way - I certainly would have fun with them.

I felt, good luck to him for being able to enjoy that, no more than I have felt for the same for folks like Hugh the Playboy - good luck to them.

I say if you can afford them, and are willing to handle them properly, and they're willing to be with you, what's the harm?
 
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Tom Jones said:
It's great how the lawmakers and press suck up to people like Hugh the Playboy but frown upon other folk who also believe it is OK to have more than just one woman.

I met a man in Montana who had 3 wives and 11 children. He lived on a million acre farm with his family, and all were very good people.

I thought, man, what a life he has - comes into town now and then, fills up the vehicle with groceries and goods, then heads home for the night with his family.

Three wives - plain lookingly dressed, but healthy, nice bodied and cute in their own way - I certainly would have fun with them.

I felt, good luck to him for being able to enjoy that, no more than I have felt for the same for folks like Hugh the Playboy - good luck to them.

I say if you can afford them, and are willing to handle them properly, and they're willing to be with you, what's the harm?
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a million acres huh......does he own Montana? Get it? Small population? Nothing to be owned? Nevermind. Tough crowd.
 
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Hatuey said:
a million acres huh......does he own Montana? Get it? Small population? Nothing to be owned? Nevermind. Tough crowd.
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He actually would own about 1/94th of Montana.
 
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Hatuey,

He lives on and farms a wheat farm. I am not truly sure if he owns it. But my best guess is he does.

I've seen wheat field after wheat field for as far as the eyes can see in Montana, but it's not the only thing in Montana.

Montana does have few people but it has millions of acres of wheat fields - spring and winter wheat - great soil and climate for wheat - they grow so much wheat they help to feed the world as well as us.

He was a big, strong guy. I imagine he works hard for what he gets and brings to the world.

EpicDude86,

Montana is big, and beautiful. I've been to Glacier National Park and seen the glaciers and the wildlife there. I remember a couple got mauled to death by a grizzly close to an area where I stayed because they did not obey the rules. They shouldn't have been in that area and she should have not been in the park while she had her menstral cycle. They smell it miles away if they are upwind of it.

They found him ripped to death in their tent and her half eaten body a mile and a half away along a stream.

They hunted the bear and shot him down. They opened him up and confirmed that they shot the right bear.

I have to admit though, I too did not obey a park rule. Firearms are not allowed in the park and I had my pistol with me the whole time.

Up against a 10' grizzly one must have an equalizer. And that park ranger with his pistol in HIS hipholster can.................. that rule.
 
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Tom Jones said:
Hatuey,

He lives on and farms a wheat farm. I am not truly sure if he owns it. But my best guess is he does.

I've seen wheat field after wheat field for as far as the eyes can see in Montana, but it's not the only thing in Montana.

Montana does have few people but it has millions of acres of wheat fields - spring and winter wheat - great soil and climate for wheat - they grow so much wheat they help to feed the world as well as us.

He was a big, strong guy. I imagine he works hard for what he gets and brings to the world.

EpicDude86,

Montana is big, and beautiful. I've been to Glacier National Park and seen the glaciers and the wildlife there. I remember a couple got mauled to death by a grizzly close to an area where I stayed because they did not obey the rules. They shouldn't have been in that area and she should have not been in the park while she had her menstral cycle. They smell it miles away if they are upwind of it.

They found him ripped to death in their tent and her half eaten body a mile and a half away along a stream.

They hunted the bear and shot him down. They opened him up and confirmed that they shot the right bear.

I have to admit though, I too did not obey a park rule. Firearms are not allowed in the park and I had my pistol with me the whole time.

Up against a 10' grizzly one must have an equalizer. And that park ranger with his pistol in HIS hipholster can.................. that rule.
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Yeah, I want to visit. Montana looks awesome. I was merely doing the math to figure out that, if he did in fact own a million acres, he would own approximately 1/94th of the State of Montana. not a bad cut, since the Federal Government 'owns' and maintains something like 37 million acres of parks and preserves.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Sure, marry whoever following these rules. Jack marries Betty. Say Jack wants to marry Constance. The marriage can't occur unless Betty consents.

Jack's already entered into a contract with Betty, and his marriage to another will affect the terms of the original contract and therefore she must agree to any alterations to that contract.
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That's where I stand on it as well. As long as all surviving spouses consent to the marriage, folks ought to be allowed to take more than one husband or wife.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
(Polygamy means literally "more than one wife". More than one husband is "polyandry".)
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Word you're looking for there is "polygyny." "Polygamy" is the accepted gender-neutral term; it's only assumed to be synonymous with "polygyny" because the majority of human societies have been polygynous, and the majority of the remainder have been monogamous. Polyandry is astoundingly rare.

Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Also there's a huge practical issue of both property dispensation in divorce, and upon death of one of the spouses, and the matter of child custody and child support.
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Not so different from custody and property issues in divorces between monogamous couples.

Dav said:
As long as the male/female ratio continues to stay so close to 1:1- and there's no reason for it to stop now- polygamy should not be legalized.
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stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
What about the percentage of males who are not ever going to be married? Women don't give every guy an equal chance.
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Kill more young men before they breed. It's good for society in a variety of ways.
 
The way I see it, if it is between consenting adults, and nobody else's rights are being violated, then it is their business and nobody else's.
 
danarhea said:
The way I see it, if it is between consenting adults, and nobody else's rights are being violated, then it is their business and nobody else's.
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After reading many of your initial positions on the forums, I have one thing to say to you:

Go to Washington: Save the Country.
 
EpicDude86 said:
After reading many of your initial positions on the forums, I have one thing to say to you:

Go to Washington: Save the Country.
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Sure thing. Now where did I put that roach spray? :mrgreen:
 
EpicDude86,

If you get to go to Montana don't forget; don't eat the yellow snow.

Frank Zappa's contribution to the world.

Along the line..............

When I was at Glacier National Park I saw the ashes from Mt. St. Helen's eruption along the banks of the mountains where the glaciers where. The area is awesome if you have any interest in geology and nature.

But, getting back to the farmer and his 3 wives........... (and more than a handful of daughters)

he was a Hutterite.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Kill more young men before they breed. It's good for society in a variety of ways.
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So does anyone see any way around the problem I presented other than mass murder?
 
Tom Jones said:
EpicDude86,

If you get to go to Montana don't forget; don't eat the yellow snow.

Frank Zappa's contribution to the world.

Along the line..............

When I was at Glacier National Park I saw the ashes from Mt. St. Helen's eruption along the banks of the mountains where the glaciers where. The area is awesome if you have any interest in geology and nature.

But, getting back to the farmer and his 3 wives........... (and more than a handful of daughters)

he was a Hutterite.
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Yellow snow is in the land of the huskies. Montana is where they raise that lonely dental floss. :)

And don't forget your tweezers. :mrgreen:
 
danarhea,

You got that right. You know Zappa.

But in reality, yellow snow can be found wherever man or beast finds snow.

Though, you can only find lonely dental floss in Montana.
 
Dav said:
So does anyone see any way around the problem I presented other than mass murder?
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What's wrong with mass murder or gender-cleansing?

Well...besides it being wrong and all...
 
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