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Arnold Schwarzenegger supports Siberian independence, I expect angry reaction from Putins cuckold Tr

do you as well support Siberian independence?

  • Yes I do , Moscow is the worst in history colonial power

    Votes: 5 62.5%
  • No I dont

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • Total voters
    8
  • Poll closed .

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Arnold Schwarzenegger supports Siberian independence, i expect angry reaction from Putins cuckold D. Trump . question: do you as well support Siberian independence?

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do you as well support Siberian independence?
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger supports Siberian independence, i expect angry reaction from Putins cuckold D. Trump . question: do you as well support Siberian independence?

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do you as well support Siberian independence?

Citation for him saying anything about Siberian independence?
 
" Russia east of the Urals is simply too big in size and too small in population; too economically important and too central to the self-conception of Russians everywhere; too far away from Moscow and too close to China and the Pacific; and yet, too culturally different from Russians in the European portions of the country. Moscow is already more concerned about Siberian regionalism than ever before. But now, the Siberians themselves—ethnic Russian and non-Russian alike—are giving the center more compelling reasons to worry.

Russia east of the Urals comprises more than two-thirds of the Russian Federation but has only about one-fifth of that country’s population. It is where most of Russia’s natural resources are to be found, though the earnings from their extraction largely go to Moscow and not to local people. The region is located three to ten time zones east of Moscow and is linked to the center by few roads or rail lines. Its people are far closer to China and other Pacific rim countries—including the United States—than to the core of the Russian Federation. Because of their roots in explorers, those fleeing oppression, and those sent there by the state for punishment, eastern Russians have always been more independent minded and entrepreneurial than Russians in central and western Russia. Perhaps the most important measure of this cultural divide is that Protestant faiths dominate the religious scene there, not the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (Zabinfo.ru, Windowoneurasia.blogspot.com, November 8, 2010).

All these features of the Siberian cultural and political scene stem from the tsarist period. In 1818, Russian commentator Nikolay Novikov called attention to the uniqueness of Siberia among Russian lands, pointing out that it had never known serfdom or tight imperial control. He argued that Siberia should, therefore, eventually become an independent country. His ideas were dismissed by imperial authorities as “the inventions of Siberian bureaucrats” who wanted more power for themselves or of foreigners who wanted to snatch the region from the empire. But the notion had deep roots and continued to influence the thinking of people in the region (BABR, Windowoneurasia.blogspot.com, July 18, 2008).

Following St. Petersburg’s suppression of the Polish revolt in 1863 and the exiling of Polish revolutionaries to Siberia, the authorities uncovered an alleged “conspiracy of Siberian separatists.” The tsarist government brought Grigory Potanin, Nikolay Yadrintsev and Afanasiy Shchapov to trial. These three men came to be known as the founding fathers of what was eventually termed oblastnichestvo, the Russian word for regionalism in general but typically applied only to its Siberian variant. However, their legal case, instead of wiping out Siberian regionalism, actually attracted more attention to their ideas, thus ensuring the survival of oblastnichestvo. Tsarist, Soviet and Russian governments have made similar mistakes since (John Stephan, The Russian Far East, Stanford, 1996).

In the last decades of tsarist power, oblastnichestvo continued to spread as an idea; and when the Russian central government collapsed in 1917, Siberian regionalists were ready to act. By mid-1918, most of Siberia had been cleared of Bolsheviks; and on June 17, a date Siberians still mark, a Provisional Siberian Government issued “a declaration on the state independence of Siberia,” with Omsk as its capital. Had it sought immediate separation from Bolshevik Moscow or had it not been equally opposed by the anti-Bolshevik movement led by Admiral Alexander Kolchak, Siberia might have gained real independence then. Indeed, though its leadership chose not to pursue this, the region could have sought to exchange a declaration of neutrality in the Russian Civil War for Moscow’s recognition of its independence."

 
" Russia east of the Urals is simply too big in size and too small in population; too economically important and too central to the self-conception of Russians everywhere; too far away from Moscow and too close to China and the Pacific; and yet, too culturally different from Russians in the European portions of the country. Moscow is already more concerned about Siberian regionalism than ever before. But now, the Siberians themselves—ethnic Russian and non-Russian alike—are giving the center more compelling reasons to worry.

Russia east of the Urals comprises more than two-thirds of the Russian Federation but has only about one-fifth of that country’s population. It is where most of Russia’s natural resources are to be found, though the earnings from their extraction largely go to Moscow and not to local people. The region is located three to ten time zones east of Moscow and is linked to the center by few roads or rail lines. Its people are far closer to China and other Pacific rim countries—including the United States—than to the core of the Russian Federation. Because of their roots in explorers, those fleeing oppression, and those sent there by the state for punishment, eastern Russians have always been more independent minded and entrepreneurial than Russians in central and western Russia. Perhaps the most important measure of this cultural divide is that Protestant faiths dominate the religious scene there, not the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (Zabinfo.ru, Windowoneurasia.blogspot.com, November 8, 2010).

All these features of the Siberian cultural and political scene stem from the tsarist period. In 1818, Russian commentator Nikolay Novikov called attention to the uniqueness of Siberia among Russian lands, pointing out that it had never known serfdom or tight imperial control. He argued that Siberia should, therefore, eventually become an independent country. His ideas were dismissed by imperial authorities as “the inventions of Siberian bureaucrats” who wanted more power for themselves or of foreigners who wanted to snatch the region from the empire. But the notion had deep roots and continued to influence the thinking of people in the region (BABR, Windowoneurasia.blogspot.com, July 18, 2008).

Following St. Petersburg’s suppression of the Polish revolt in 1863 and the exiling of Polish revolutionaries to Siberia, the authorities uncovered an alleged “conspiracy of Siberian separatists.” The tsarist government brought Grigory Potanin, Nikolay Yadrintsev and Afanasiy Shchapov to trial. These three men came to be known as the founding fathers of what was eventually termed oblastnichestvo, the Russian word for regionalism in general but typically applied only to its Siberian variant. However, their legal case, instead of wiping out Siberian regionalism, actually attracted more attention to their ideas, thus ensuring the survival of oblastnichestvo. Tsarist, Soviet and Russian governments have made similar mistakes since (John Stephan, The Russian Far East, Stanford, 1996).

In the last decades of tsarist power, oblastnichestvo continued to spread as an idea; and when the Russian central government collapsed in 1917, Siberian regionalists were ready to act. By mid-1918, most of Siberia had been cleared of Bolsheviks; and on June 17, a date Siberians still mark, a Provisional Siberian Government issued “a declaration on the state independence of Siberia,” with Omsk as its capital. Had it sought immediate separation from Bolshevik Moscow or had it not been equally opposed by the anti-Bolshevik movement led by Admiral Alexander Kolchak, Siberia might have gained real independence then. Indeed, though its leadership chose not to pursue this, the region could have sought to exchange a declaration of neutrality in the Russian Civil War for Moscow’s recognition of its independence."

Spamming....

Citation for Arnold saying anything about Siberian independence?
 
In both threads he has started.

As a note on topic. It looks like Arnold may have just been given the sign to hold and was asked for a picture.

He is one of more typical camera hungry celebrities after all.
 
You are aware how bad a Balkanized/collapsed Russia would be for world stability, ie - meaning the proliferation and redistribution of Russia's nuclear arsenal to various ultra-corrupt, ultraviolent fiefdoms and terrorist organizations and rogue nukes going off and people dying by the hundreds of thousands or even millions per year would be a regular thing. It would be as bad if not worse than as if China or the United States itself had collapsed...
 
i am 100% sure, you voted "No I don't "
 
You are aware how bad a Balkanized/collapsed Russia would be for world stability, ie - meaning the proliferation and redistribution of Russia's nuclear arsenal to various ultra-corrupt, ultraviolent fiefdoms and terrorist organizations and rogue nukes going off and people dying by the hundreds of thousands or even millions per year would be a regular thing. It would be as bad if not worse than as if China or the United States itself collapsed.
badly outdated ussr´s nuclear arsenal is mostly out of function. world without Moscow´s aggressive barbarian horde will be much more better
 
badly outdated ussr´s nuclear arsenal is mostly out of function.

Do you have any remotely earthly idea just how much devastation and death just ONE nuke would cause?

One.

Now multiply that a few dozen times and you've got something like apocalypse-lite.

Warmongering is dangerous and stupid.
 
do you as well support Siberian independence?

Not really.
I am in favor of self determination (by, for, and of), but anyone can see that they'd be a Chinese puppet within a decade. And China is far more of a danger to world peace than Russia.

...In fact, I am wondering why there isn't more in the news about how China is right now making it's South East Asian neighbours it's b***hes.
 
I know nothing about Siberia. I just know it was once used as a penal colony (is it still?), because the weather there is so harsh. That’s about it. People actually live there? Voluntarily? Huh.

Learn something new every day.
 
Arnold Schwarzenegger supports Siberian independence
So do you have that citation of Schwarzenegger saying anything about Siberian independence?
 
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