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Can you justify "Grab 'em by the *****"?

Can you justify "Grab 'em by the *****"?

  • It's offensive, but I accept his apology and think he's changed

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • It's offensive, but I support his policies and think he's better than his opponents

    Votes: 9 16.1%

  • I don't see anything wrong with those remarks

    Votes: 4 7.1%

  • He didn't mean it, it was just a joke or "locker room talk"

    Votes: 7 12.5%

  • Bill Clinton said much worse things

    Votes: 1 1.8%

  • I personally have said much worse things

    Votes: 2 3.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 32 57.1%
  • Total voters
    56
Dacke said:
Well, the reason you gave me was contradicted in your next post. Your initial explanation was that "as a woman, I find it offensive", but in the next post you said that you are "more than a walking *****". These two arguments contradict each other because one is a derivate of collectivist tribalism whereas the other is one of individualism.

If you know that you are "more than a walking *****", you cannot say that the reason you find Trump's comments distasteful because it offends your gender. If you say that it offends your group identity and claim that you speak for all women, you cannot claim to be "more than a walking *****".
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danielpalos said:
It cannot apply to women for the sake of equality?
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If your question is whether women are better warned by men who admit their vulgar natures- as Trump did when he said he was indulging in "locker room talk"-- then yes, Trump is better about that failing than Biden is, who has inconsistent flareups of chauvinism amid his supposed high-minded morals.
 
Dacke said:
Well, the reason you gave me was contradicted in your next post. Your initial explanation was that "as a woman, I find it offensive", but in the next post you said that you are "more than a walking *****". These two arguments contradict each other because one is a derivate of collectivist tribalism whereas the other is one of individualism.

If you know that you are "more than a walking *****", you cannot say that the reason you find Trump's comments distasteful because it offends your gender. If you say that it offends your group identity and claim that you speak for all women, you cannot claim to be "more than a walking *****".
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Of course I can.

I never said I was speaking for all women. I just happen to be one and I don't appreciate being thought of as nothing but a sex object.

l'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow your line of reasoning, so I won't be engaging in this back and forth any longer.
 
Ouroboros said:
If your question is whether women are better warned by men who admit their vulgar natures- as Trump did when he said he was indulging in "locker room talk"-- then yes, Trump is better about that failing than Biden is, who has inconsistent flareups of chauvinism amid his supposed high-minded morals.
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Actually because this is a political forum, this is what I meant:

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
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MaryP said:
I never said I was speaking for all women. I just happen to be one and I don't appreciate being thought of as nothing but a sex object.
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You were clearly implying that by opening your sentence with "[A]s a woman, I..."

Then the proper way for you to make a case would be to first lay out your own, pesonal values and then show how and why Trump's comment goes against these values. There is absolutely no reason nor legitimacy in presenting a case that starts with "As a woman..." because then you are implying that the only reason you find it offensive is because you happened to be born female and that it does not actually offend You but only your genitalia and internal body-chemistry.

l'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow your line of reasoning, so I won't be engaging in this back and forth any longer.
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Trust me when I say it is not me, it is you. :)
 
Dacke said:
Is this supposed to be some kind of personal attack or something?
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The Yale Univ. associated psychiatrist, B.X. Lee, is describing Trump. It seems OT.

Your post, informing a woman how she must feel, according to your reasoning, smacks of vindictive, associared as it is with what resembles apologizing for Trump's admitted predatory sexual practices. "We're not in Kansas, anymore."

Men Have Been Telling Women to Shut Up for at Least 3,000 Years – Mother Jones
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Men Have Been Telling Women to Shut Up for at Least 3,000 Years
The Ford-Kavanaugh fiasco was only the latest entry.
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post said:
The Yale Univ. associated psychiatrist, B.X. Lee, is describing Trump. It seems OT.

Your post, informing a woman how she must feel, according to your reasoning, smacks of vindictive, associared as it is with what resembles apologizing for Trump's admitted predatory sexual practices. "We're not in Kansas, anymore."
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Bro, what are you even talking about? xD
 
Dacke said:
Is this supposed to be some kind of personal attack or something?
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The Yale Univ. associated psychiatrist, B.X. Lee, is describing Trump. It seems ON TOPIC.

Your post, informing a woman how she must feel, according to your reasoning, smacks of vindictive, associared as it is with what resembles apologizing for Trump's admitted predatory sexual practices. "We're not in Kansas, anymore.
 
Polls like this tell you more about the pollster than about the answers.
 
Let's start a new poll:

Does anyone really care, at this point, what Trump said?

Yes or No only.
 
post said:
Your post, informing a woman how she must feel, according to your reasoning, smacks of vindictive, associared as it is with what resembles apologizing for Trump's admitted predatory sexual practices. "We're not in Kansas, anymore.
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I never told anyone how they must feel and I do not like Trump.
 
Herkamer63 said:
Let's start a new poll:

Does anyone really care, at this point, what Trump said?

Yes or No only.
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No. Not any more. The left could have done more with Trump as a democrat than the right wing as a republican. The right wing does't seem to care about how our Constitutional form of Government is supposed to work.
 
Herkamer63 said:
Let's start a new poll:

Does anyone really care, at this point, what Trump said?

Yes or No only.
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I don’t think there’s any point to “yes or no only,” since different people can give the same answer but for different reasons.

In my case, the offending quote means nothing to me because a lot of people, male and female, say vulgar things in private but don’t act on them. The Dems’ foolhardy attempt to weaponize this nothing burger contributed heavily to my relatively recent contempt for that party.
 
Ouroboros said:
I don’t think there’s any point to “yes or no only,” since different people can give the same answer but for different reasons.

In my case, the offending quote means nothing to me because a lot of people, male and female, say vulgar things in private but don’t act on them. The Dems’ foolhardy attempt to weaponize this nothing burger contributed heavily to my relatively recent contempt for that party.
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To me, it was 4 years ago when this surfaced, over a decade ago when Trump actually said it, no one died, no one got hurt, no one lost their jobs, no marriages were broken up, no one lost their homes, their families, nor anything else that you can possibly think of. Honestly, a small minority of people only cared about it, but even then I don't believe the outrage among a bunch of these people over this matter is real. I've heard worse, I've said worse, and I've read worse. I'm not saying what Trump said was right, but overall, the vast majority of people don't care. These people posting stuff like this are kicking a dead horse. Only reason I posted on this thread is because I wanted to say my peace and move on.
 
Herkamer63 said:
To me, it was 4 years ago when this surfaced, over a decade ago when Trump actually said it, no one died, no one got hurt, no one lost their jobs, no marriages were broken up, no one lost their homes, their families, nor anything else that you can possibly think of. Honestly, a small minority of people only cared about it, but even then I don't believe the outrage among a bunch of these people over this matter is real. I've heard worse, I've said worse, and I've read worse. I'm not saying what Trump said was right, but overall, the vast majority of people don't care. These people posting stuff like this are kicking a dead horse. Only reason I posted on this thread is because I wanted to say my peace and move on.
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Except, if this is true, Melania's new leverage, may have cost US taxpayers, and the City of New York, which was not reimbursed, a couple hundred million dollars in otherwise avoidable security expenses.

If it wasn't Trump she was putting the screws to, I'd fault her for putting the taxpayers last, but .....

Melania Trump Is No Victim
Melania Trump Is No Victim -
Jul 20, 2020 - Melania had said she was focusing on Barron, her son, and didn't want to move him during the school year. ... boast over “grabbing women by the *****” (the claim that launched thousands of pink knit hats). ... her in order to succeed as president and was using her new power to renegotiate her prenup.
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Melania and the first son stayed five months after this cost estimate and extra SS expense, compared to guarding a conventional first family primarily located in DC, is what it is... (like covid-19 spread).

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post said:
Except, if this is true, Melania's new leverage, may have cost US taxpayers, and the City of New York, which was not reimbursed, a couple hundred million dollars in otherwise avoidable security expenses.

If it wasn't Trump she was putting the screws to, I'd fault her for putting the taxpayers last, but .....



Melania and the first son stayed five months after this cost estimate and extra SS expense, compared to guarding a conventional first family primarily located in DC, is what it is... (like covid-19 spread).
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My, My, My all that tax payer money wasted. Tell me when he has wasted as much as Obama wasted on Solyndra.
 
Luther said:
Yes, but the guys in your wrestling days are not the Prez of these United American states?
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Where is Gym Jordan when you need him!!
 
BahamaBob said:
My, My, My all that tax payer money wasted. Tell me when he has wasted as much as Obama wasted on Solyndra.
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The topic of the thread is about whether Trump was so compelling and Hillary so flawed, Trump's signalling he was a sexual predator was not an insurmountable deficiency a month later, on election day.

"But what about Obama?" I'll address it, and then back to the hyper-selfishness of both Trump and Melania (If she remained in NYC to coerce Trump at exorbitant taxpayer expense).

This article of the time, was very critical of Obama, and rightly so, but not about his personal culpability in wasting taxpayer backed loans.

Obama's Solyndra Problem - FactCheck.org
Obama’s Solyndra Problem
By D'Angelo Gore
Posted on October 7, 2011

....The stimulus bill that funded Solyndra received no Republican votes in the House and only three in the Senate — including Sen. Arlen Specter, who later switched parties.

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 that created the section 1703 loan guarantee program had the support of a majority of Republicans — who controlled both houses of Congress at the time — but not “all” of them. The House passed the conference bill 275-156, and 31 Republicans opposed it. The Senate passed it 74-26, with six Republicans voting no. Sens. Joe Biden, now Obama’s vice president, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s Secretary of State, voted against it, as did many other Democrats. Clinton criticized the bill as too generous to the oil industry and attacked Obama for voting for it, as we wrote during the 2008 Democratic primary....
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This analysis gave a positive account of the Obama admin., including about Obama's CoS, Rahm.
Background of why the wording in the wikipedia evolved the way it did..
Solyndra - Wikipedia
Solyndra's ties to the Obama administration should be mentioned in the article.
It is well documented and reliably sourced that Solyndra executives gave large donations to Obama's election campaign, spent large sums of money on lobbying, and had many meetings with White House officials. This information should be included in the article. In addition, a new article called Solyndra scandal should probably eventually be created, much like Enron scandal....

From main Solyndra article :
Solyndra - Wikipedia
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In 2009, the company posted $100 million in revenue. It was estimated that its production and sales growth could lead to a market cap between $1.76 and 2 billion.[16] In 2010, revenues were approximately $140 million.[citation needed]

Government support
Solyndra received a $535 million U.S. Department of Energy loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. However, Solyndra officials used inaccurate information to mislead the Department of Energy in its application.[17] While the overall loan program was in the black in 2014, it took a $528 million loss from Solyndra.[18][19]
...
Solyndra - Wikipedia
....
Also in 2011, a US Department of the Treasury official confirmed that the criminal probe of Solyndra was focused on whether the company and its officers misrepresented the firm's finances to the government in seeking the loan or engaged in accounting fraud.[35] Emails showed that the Obama administration had concerns about the legality of the Department of Energy's loan restructuring plan and warned OMB director Jeffrey D. Zients that the plan should be cleared with the Department of Justice first, which the Department of Energy had not done. The emails also revealed that, as early as August 2009, an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had asked a Department of Energy official if he could discuss any concerns among the investment community about Solyndra but that the official dismissed the idea that Solyndra had financial problems.[36]...
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Hope Hicks' testimony, House Judiciary Comm., June 19, 2019

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BahamaBob said:
My, My, My all that tax payer money wasted. Tell me when he has wasted as much as Obama wasted on Solyndra.
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The topic of the thread is about whether Trump was so compelling and Hillary so flawed, Trump's signalling he was a sexual predator was not an insurmountable deficiency a month later, on election day.

"But what about Obama?" I'll address it, and then back to the hyper-selfishness of both Trump and Melania (If she remained in NYC to coerce Trump at exorbitant taxpayer expense).

This article of the time, was very critical of Obama, and rightly so, but not about his personal culpability in wasting taxpayer backed loans.

Obama's Solyndra Problem - FactCheck.org
Obama’s Solyndra Problem
By D'Angelo Gore
Posted on October 7, 2011

....The stimulus bill that funded Solyndra received no Republican votes in the House and only three in the Senate — including Sen. Arlen Specter, who later switched parties.

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 that created the section 1703 loan guarantee program had the support of a majority of Republicans — who controlled both houses of Congress at the time — but not “all” of them. The House passed the conference bill 275-156, and 31 Republicans opposed it. The Senate passed it 74-26, with six Republicans voting no. Sens. Joe Biden, now Obama’s vice president, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s Secretary of State, voted against it, as did many other Democrats. Clinton criticized the bill as too generous to the oil industry and attacked Obama for voting for it, as we wrote during the 2008 Democratic primary....
Click to expand...

This analysis gave a positive account of the Obama admin., including about Obama's CoS, Rahm.
Background of why the wording in the wikipedia evolved the way it did..
Solyndra - Wikipedia
Solyndra's ties to the Obama administration should be mentioned in the article.
It is well documented and reliably sourced that Solyndra executives gave large donations to Obama's election campaign, spent large sums of money on lobbying, and had many meetings with White House officials. This information should be included in the article. In addition, a new article called Solyndra scandal should probably eventually be created, much like Enron scandal....

From main Solyndra article :
Solyndra - Wikipedia
...
In 2009, the company posted $100 million in revenue. It was estimated that its production and sales growth could lead to a market cap between $1.76 and 2 billion.[16] In 2010, revenues were approximately $140 million.[citation needed]

Government support
Solyndra received a $535 million U.S. Department of Energy loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. However, Solyndra officials used inaccurate information to mislead the Department of Energy in its application.[17] While the overall loan program was in the black in 2014, it took a $528 million loss from Solyndra.[18][19]
...
Solyndra - Wikipedia
....
Also in 2011, a US Department of the Treasury official confirmed that the criminal probe of Solyndra was focused on whether the company and its officers misrepresented the firm's finances to the government in seeking the loan or engaged in accounting fraud.[35] Emails showed that the Obama administration had concerns about the legality of the Department of Energy's loan restructuring plan and warned OMB director Jeffrey D. Zients that the plan should be cleared with the Department of Justice first, which the Department of Energy had not done. The emails also revealed that, as early as August 2009, an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had asked a Department of Energy official if he could discuss any concerns among the investment community about Solyndra but that the official dismissed the idea that Solyndra had financial problems.[36]...
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Hope Hicks' testimony, House Judiciary Comm., June 19, 2019

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BahamaBob said:
My, My, My all that tax payer money wasted. Tell me when he has wasted as much as Obama wasted on Solyndra.
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The topic of the thread is about whether Trump was so compelling and Hillary so flawed, Trump's signalling he was a sexual predator was not an insurmountable deficiency a month later, on election day.

"But what about Obama?" I'll address it, and then back to the hyper-selfishness of both Trump and Melania (If she remained in NYC to coerce Trump at exorbitant taxpayer expense).

This article of the time, was very critical of Obama, and rightly so, but not about his personal culpability in wasting taxpayer backed loans.

Obama's Solyndra Problem - FactCheck.org
Obama’s Solyndra Problem
By D'Angelo Gore
Posted on October 7, 2011

....The stimulus bill that funded Solyndra received no Republican votes in the House and only three in the Senate — including Sen. Arlen Specter, who later switched parties.

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 that created the section 1703 loan guarantee program had the support of a majority of Republicans — who controlled both houses of Congress at the time — but not “all” of them. The House passed the conference bill 275-156, and 31 Republicans opposed it. The Senate passed it 74-26, with six Republicans voting no. Sens. Joe Biden, now Obama’s vice president, and Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s Secretary of State, voted against it, as did many other Democrats. Clinton criticized the bill as too generous to the oil industry and attacked Obama for voting for it, as we wrote during the 2008 Democratic primary....
Click to expand...

This analysis gave a positive account of the Obama admin., including about Obama's CoS, Rahm.
Background of why the wording in the wikipedia evolved the way it did..
Solyndra - Wikipedia
Solyndra's ties to the Obama administration should be mentioned in the article.
It is well documented and reliably sourced that Solyndra executives gave large donations to Obama's election campaign, spent large sums of money on lobbying, and had many meetings with White House officials. This information should be included in the article. In addition, a new article called Solyndra scandal should probably eventually be created, much like Enron scandal....

From main Solyndra article :
Solyndra - Wikipedia
...
In 2009, the company posted $100 million in revenue. It was estimated that its production and sales growth could lead to a market cap between $1.76 and 2 billion.[16] In 2010, revenues were approximately $140 million.[citation needed]

Government support
Solyndra received a $535 million U.S. Department of Energy loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. However, Solyndra officials used inaccurate information to mislead the Department of Energy in its application.[17] While the overall loan program was in the black in 2014, it took a $528 million loss from Solyndra.[18][19]
...
Solyndra - Wikipedia
....
Also in 2011, a US Department of the Treasury official confirmed that the criminal probe of Solyndra was focused on whether the company and its officers misrepresented the firm's finances to the government in seeking the loan or engaged in accounting fraud.[35] Emails showed that the Obama administration had concerns about the legality of the Department of Energy's loan restructuring plan and warned OMB director Jeffrey D. Zients that the plan should be cleared with the Department of Justice first, which the Department of Energy had not done. The emails also revealed that, as early as August 2009, an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had asked a Department of Energy official if he could discuss any concerns among the investment community about Solyndra but that the official dismissed the idea that Solyndra had financial problems.[36]...
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Hope Hicks Declines to Answer Lawmakers’ Questions on Transition and White House - The New York Times
"citing instructions from the president that she was “absolutely immune” from answering, lawmakers from both parties said.

At one point she refused, Democrats said, to even identify the location of her West Wing office."

Hope Hicks' testimony, House Judiciary Comm., June 19, 2019

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Marrybore said:
To all those who will be voting for Trump this year:
Remember that Hollywood access tape?
Can you honestly justify what the President said?
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I do not need to justify bragging on a bus. What makes you presume any of us care? It was a crude but private discussion.
 
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