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Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

Do you think Bush should be hit with a shoe.

  • Yes.

    Votes: 29 45.3%

  • No.

    Votes: 35 54.7%
  • Total voters
    64
Dude, Bush seemed to think it was funny so guess he has less respect for his office than you:)
 
Kali said:
Dude, Bush seemed to think it was funny so guess he has less respect for his office than you:)
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I think that it was funny too...
He casually dodged the shoe and smiled. Funny. Yay!

THAT is not the issue though...
The issue is that people think that throwing a shoe at a person, much less the President,
is moral behavior.

IT IS NOT.

They are applauding this action.
They are going further and saying that this man should be shot!
This is not only immoral, but a Federal Offense.

I expect people to respect each other and institutions.
Respect Education...
Respect Police Depts....
Respect Fire Brigades...
Respect the Office of the President of the United States...


I didn't expect you to get it, and I didn't expect you to stay on point either.
 
Bush said: “It doesn’t bother me,” Bush told reporters. “So what if he threw a shoe at me.” The president said it showed free speech in a democracy.

So it seems Bush supports freedom of speech even if you do not.
 
Kali said:
Bush said: “It doesn’t bother me,” Bush told reporters. “So what if he threw a shoe at me.” The president said it showed free speech in a democracy.

So it seems Bush supports freedom of speech even if you do not.
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Assaulting somebody is freedom of speech? Get a ****ing clue.
 
earthworm said:
Do not ask that question to anyone who has lost a son in daughter in Iraq !
If man continues in his greedy, hateful ways, more than rights will be lost..
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I did not ask you, I asked a general question.

Was your son or daughter forced to serve, or was it voluntary?

Again, what rights did YOU lose?

My condolences on your loss, but the question stands.
 
Kali said:
Bush said: “It doesn’t bother me,” Bush told reporters. “So what if he threw a shoe at me.” The president said it showed free speech in a democracy.

So it seems Bush supports freedom of speech even if you do not.
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Link/Quote me were Bush said that throwing a shoe is considered Freedom of Speech.
No? You're a liar.
Yes? Bush is an idiot.

Either way it doesn't change the facts. I don't give a **** what Bush thought of the event. It is still disrespectful and your refusal to even admit that one little bit shows how retarded your thinking is. At 15 you say you were smarter than adults? How old are you now then... 13?
 
Hatuey said:
Assaulting somebody is freedom of speech? Get a ****ing clue.
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Bush is the one that said it so guess he needs to get the ****ing clue:rofl
 
Bodhisattva said:
I think that it was funny too...
He casually dodged the shoe and smiled. Funny. Yay!

THAT is not the issue though...
The issue is that people think that throwing a shoe at a person, much less the President,
is moral behavior.

IT IS NOT.

They are applauding this action.
They are going further and saying that this man should be shot!
This is not only immoral, but a Federal Offense.

I expect people to respect each other and institutions.
Respect Education...
Respect Police Depts....
Respect Fire Brigades...
Respect the Office of the President of the United States...


I didn't expect you to get it, and I didn't expect you to stay on point either.
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Bush didn't seem to respect any of these institutions of Iraq after he invaded so why should he earn the same respect back?

The office of the Office of the President of the United States is there to be questioned, once aquired it does not give cart blanc to do whatever you want or demand imidiate respect, please tell me 3 things G Bush has done to earn this respect, let alone the white house.
 
Kali said:
Bush is the one that said it so guess he needs to get the ****ing clue:rofl
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Kali you're so dishonest it's not even worth it :

Dec. 14 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush ducked two shoes thrown at him by a man during a press conference in the Iraqi prime minister’s office to mark the signing of a security agreement.

Bush wasn’t hit by the shoes, which both sailed over his head after they were thrown one after the other. The president shrugged and said “I’m OK” after the incident in Baghdad today. “All I can report is it is a size 10,” Bush said afterwards.

In Arab culture, throwing shoes is a grave show of disrespect. “This is the farewell kiss, you dog,” the man shouted in Arabic.

After U.S. troops pulled down a statue of former dictator Saddam Hussein in 2003, Iraqi bystanders tossed shoes at it, according to news reports at the time. Bush said today’s incident was an example of free speech in a democracy.

The man threw the shoes from about 25 feet away as Bush, standing with Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, made formal remarks before the signing of the Iraqi-U.S. agreement. Maliki tried to block the second thrown shoe as it flew toward Bush, according to video of the incident shown on television.

Wrestled to Ground

The shoe-thrower, who was in a group of journalists, was wrestled to the ground and taken away. “This is from the widows, the orphans and those who were killed in Iraq,” shouted the man, later identified by the Associated Press as Muntadar al-Zeidi, a correspondent for Al-Baghdadia television, an Iraqi- owned station based in Cairo, Egypt.

At the signing ceremony, Bush said a free and democratic Iraq will now become “a force for freedom” and a “source of stability in a volatile region.”

“There is still more work to be done,” Bush said. “The war is not over.” The president said that with the agreement, “and the courage of the Iraqi people, and the Iraqi troops, and American troops and civilian personnel, it is decisively on its way to being won.”

Bush arrived today in Baghdad on a surprise visit -- his last to Iraq as commander-in-chief -- to celebrate the agreement, thank U.S. troops and meet with Iraqi leaders.

It was Bush’s fourth visit to a nation transformed by the U.S.-led war he started in 2003. It follows three weeks after Iraq’s parliament approved an accord with the U.S. that provides for the withdrawal of American troops by the end of 2011.

Obama’s Plan

President-elect Barack Obama has said one of his first acts as commander-in-chief would be to direct his military commanders to begin withdrawing troops “as quickly as we can” while maintaining stability in Iraq, ensuring the safety of U.S. troops and preventing a resurgence of terrorism.

The president has made three previous unannounced trips to Iraq -- on Thanksgiving 2003, June 13, 2006, and Sept. 3, 2007.

While those earlier trips were intended largely to bolster troop morale and shore up domestic support for the unpopular war, Bush’s latest Iraq visit amounted to a valedictory appearance. He leaves office on Jan. 20.

Bush ended his visit to Baghdad by addressing more than 1,000 troops at Camp Victory, the staging area in Baghdad for U.S. forces. He was greeted by cheers and whoops inside the late Saddam Hussein’s Al Faw palace, where he stood beneath an American flag that reached nearly to the rotunda of the palace.

The surge of additional U.S. troops sent to Iraq early last year to quell sectarian violence has been “one of the greatest successes in the history of the United States military,” Bush said.
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Where does Bush say this is the Iraqis using their freedom of speech. Please point it out.
 
Hatuey said:
Kali you're so dishonest it's not even worth it :



Where does Bush say this is the Iraqis using their freedom of speech. Please point it out.
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Hate to break it to you but Bush was on ALL the cable news networks the very next day, where he indeed said this was what comes with "free speech" in a free land, of course I'm paraphrasing. Just so you know Hatuey, your ignorance of the well covered and well reported comments in no way makes them "not real" or a lie by another poster. I'd stick around and find you some online links, but I've got a tee time and find that the far more pleasurable pursuit.;)
 
cheat3 said:
Bush didn't seem to respect any of these institutions of Iraq after he invaded so why should he earn the same respect back?

The office of the Office of the President of the United States is there to be questioned, once aquired it does not give cart blanc to do whatever you want or demand imidiate respect, please tell me 3 things G Bush has done to earn this respect, let alone the white house.
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Clinton, Reagan, LBJ, Nixon, GW.... they're all the same.

No. Not gonna let you try and take some offensive here.
I did not say that Bush deserved carte blanche or that he even deserved respect, though people should be respectful towards one another as much as possible.

I DID say that the Office of the President of the United States deserves being respected though.
Stay focused in the future please.
Why don't you tell me how it is in our interest to Disrespect the Office of the President of the United States instead of respecting it.
This should be interesting...

Why don't you tell me why it is OK to throw a shoe at, or be disrespectful towards another idividual, since you seem to advocate being disrespectful towards others.
See, I think that it is better to be respectful, whereas you do not. Ironic, huh?

Further, why don't you prove how invading Afghanistan and Iraq was not in the USA's best interest?
Prove how NOT invading Iraq or Afghanistan would have better served the USA or the world.
How was invading either Illegal?
Should Tony Blaire have shoes thrown at him? What about the leaders of Australia, S. Korea, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland or any other the other 30 or so countries that are helping financially or militarily?

Anybody can sit back and make the little whiney comments that you just did, and I heard plenty of hippy whiners that have, but they have nothing else. Go for it kid, show me what you got.
 
Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
Link/Quote me were Bush said that throwing a shoe is considered Freedom of Speech.
No? You're a liar.
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Kali said:
Bush is the one that said it so guess he needs to get the ****ing clue:rofl
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Yep... you're a liar.
 
Bush said today’s incident was an example of free speech in a democracy.


Hatuey, please learn to READ! LOL!
 
Sir Loin said:
Hate to break it to you but Bush was on ALL the cable news networks the very next day, where he indeed said this was what comes with "free speech" in a free land, of course I'm paraphrasing. Just so you know Hatuey, your ignorance of the well covered and well reported comments in no way makes them "not real" or a lie by another poster. I'd stick around and find you some online links, but I've got a tee time and find that the far more pleasurable pursuit.;)
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Yep!! Sure was! I saw it too. Maybe some folks here should start watching the news and even maybe picking up a newspaper:rofl:lol:
 
Originally Posted by Kali
I am Not! Read the link I posted. I expect an apology from you
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He did, in fact, say that this was an example of free speech in that country.
You did not lie, but lets go back to what I said then...

Bodhisattva said:
Link/Quote me were Bush said that throwing a shoe is considered Freedom of Speech.
No? You're a liar.
Yes? Bush is an idiot.

Either way it doesn't change the facts. I don't give a **** what Bush thought of the event. It is still disrespectful and your refusal to even admit that one little bit shows how retarded your thinking is. At 15 you say you were smarter than adults? How old are you now then... 13?
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Bush is an idiot then. Throwing a shoe is an "Assault".
It is not speech, nor is it covered by speech laws.
So, he is either ripping on that ****hole of a country or he is an idiot.

Either way it does not negate the fact that you started out being insultive, and when I called you on it, you continued to be snide and then you flat out ignored my entire point. Answer post #199.

You'r not a liar, but you are being disingenuous as long as you play these games.
 
Kali said:
Yep!! Sure was! I saw it too. Maybe some folks here should start watching the news and even maybe picking up a newspaper:rofl:lol:
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Then why don't you understand more? I read more news in a day than you probably do in a month... how does my missing that one line indicate that I am not aware? Thought so... :roll:
 
Bodhisattva said:
He did, in fact, say that this was an example of free speech in that country.

Bush is an idiot then. Throwing a shoe is an "Assault".
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It has been proved a lonnnnng time ago that Bush is an idiot.
Ever see those Bushisms day calendars? They're a laugh riot!
 
ADK_Forever said:
It has been proved a lonnnnng time ago that Bush is an idiot.
Ever see those Bushisms day calendars? They're a laugh riot!
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I agree. He is most assuredly the stupidest President in modern times. Only D. Quayle as VP compared with Bush and had we had the unfortunate circumstances of Palin in office, we would have had our top three, all Republicans.
 
Bodi, I am still waiting for you to say you are sorry!
 
Bodhisattva said:
Then why don't you understand more? I read more news in a day than you probably do in a month... how does my missing that one line indicate that I am not aware? Thought so... :roll:
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Excuse me? More insults now that you have been proven wrong:mrgreen: You called me a LIAR and tried to act as if I had no clue what I was talking about. Now man-up and say you are sorry! :2razz:
 
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I started out being insultive? Umm.. No!! LOL! I got called a liar and proved what I said was true. Someone needs to learn to read and not jump in so fast just to insult someone.
 
Kali said:
I started out being insultive? Umm.. No!! LOL! I got called a liar and proved what I said was true. Someone needs to learn to read and not jump in so fast just to insult someone.
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No. I said that either you were are liar or Bush was an idiot. Initially, you did not provide the link, so I called you a liar. Once I read the quote, it became apparent that you did not lie, it is simply that Bush is an idiot, just like one of the two options that I stated at the beginning. ;)

Nice try though, I am not going to apologize for this simple misunderstanding when you are gonna sit there like a hypocrite about insulting me and playing high school games. BTW... you insult(s) we INDIRECT, and it is quite obvious too. Let's review:

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
I disagree. Respect for the Office of President of the United States should ALWAYS be given.

Presidents have done FAR WORSE than Bush... Far Worse.

Harding with lack of control over the Market leading to the Great Depression and Teapot Dome.
LBJ for escalating the Vietnam War too epic proportions, killing millions more than Bush will ever do.
Reagan for de-regulating the S&L's and Iran/Contra, bankrupting millions of people and thousands of S&L's.
Nixon for Watergate and illegal bombing of Cambodia and North Vietnam, again, killing millions and absolutely invading other nations illegally.
Grant and Crédit Mobilier & the Whiskey Ring.
Clinton and lying to Congress, Whitewater... a Federal Offense AND leaving Somalia like a coward, giving OBL the Green Light to target the cowardly Americans with no back bone starting all of this crap that Bush is trying to mop up. Blame Clinton, not Bush please...

Keep it in perspective please, if Bush should be out, then most presidents should be out.
Give Obama time... the stats indicate that he will break some laws and do some nasty **** of his own.


Originally Posted by Kali
If you wish to blindly respect folks simply based on a job? Knock yourself out but I will remain an adult that makes peeps earn their right to my respect


Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
Are you saying that my respectful and logical approach is childish, or something?


Originally Posted by Kali
Dude, Bush seemed to think it was funny so guess he has less respect for his office than you


Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
I didn't expect you to get it, and I didn't expect you to stay on point either.


Originally Posted by Kali
Bush said: “It doesn’t bother me,” Bush told reporters. “So what if he threw a shoe at me.” The president said it showed free speech in a democracy.

So it seems Bush supports freedom of speech even if you do not.


Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
Link/Quote me were Bush said that throwing a shoe is considered Freedom of Speech.
No? You're a liar.
Yes? Bush is an idiot.

Either way it doesn't change the facts. I don't give a **** what Bush thought of the event. It is still disrespectful and your refusal to even admit that one little bit shows how retarded your thinking is.


Originally Posted by Kali
Bush is the one that said it so guess he needs to get the ****ing clue


Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
Yep... you're a liar. (since withdrawn)


Originally Posted by Kali
I am Not! Read the link I posted. I expect an apology from you


Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
He did, in fact, say that this was an example of free speech in that country.
You did not lie, but lets go back to what I said then...

Bush is an idiot then. Throwing a shoe is an "Assault".
It is not speech, nor is it covered by speech laws.
So, he is either ripping on that ****hole of a country or he is an idiot.

Either way it does not negate the fact that you started out being insultive, and when I called you on it, you continued to be snide and then you flat out ignored my entire point. Answer post #199.

You'r not a liar, but you are being disingenuous as long as you play these games.


Originally Posted by Kali
Excuse me? More insults now that you have been proven wrong You called me a LIAR and tried to act as if I had no clue what I was talking about. Now man-up and say you are sorry!
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As you can plainly see, I was obviously being respectful about talking about respect and you started out being snide and playing games. I gave you a choice, provide evidence, to which you eventually did, and I skimmed much too fast and called you a liar. You are not a liar, Bush is simply an idiot.

Why don't you "man up" for your part, instead of demanding apologies from people that made an honest mistake instead. ;)
 
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