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Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

Do you think Bush should be hit with a shoe.

  • Yes.

    Votes: 29 45.3%
  • No.

    Votes: 35 54.7%

  • Total voters
    64
The only way to really know would be to poll actual and recent vets. Neither of you really know if its a waste or not. Why not ask the ones doing it? So far more people I've met that are related to anything militairy think its all a waste more than a help.

I have seen numerous interviews; one a 60 minutes interview with a vet who lost both legs, the answers are always the same, they would go back and do their duty again.

You see, even those who you think are stupid enough to join the military and carry out this mission have more brains in their little fingers than those pacifists who patently lie and distort the facts to fit their narrow partisan views about what this mission was all about.
 
I do not do it anymore but I had one vet bawling almost after talking to him for a while. He didn't open up for a while but then admited that most of it was all bull**** and really ****ed up and made no sense what so ever. He felt incredibly duped by his own government. I could almost sense it. Almost like he felt evil because of the whole thing. I felt really bad for him. He ended the conversation with "Its up to people like you to tell um all."

I met several in airports whom I bought lunch and drinks for and they felt the exact opposite.
 
Once again you appear confused, Bush didn't "dodge" the draft; but thank you for illustrating why Liberals seem to love a lie.

Really? :roll: Pampered rich boy does nothing with his units, misses roll calls, leaves hardly any paper trace of even existing, nobody in his units even remember him. Hmmm... sure sounds like that proverbial duck to me. :2wave:

Bush is a coward AND a liar and both are well proven.

35 days till the dictator hits the road. :2wave:
 
I think a lot of people share a fair amount of blame. I don't think it's right to place the blame solely on the despicable thugs and terrorists because our men and women wouldn't be in that position in the first place if not for our leader ordering them into that position. It is part and parcel to being a leader with such power that you accept responsibility for your decisions whether they be good or bad. That is what makes a good leader. I don't think anyone is saying that a lot of blame doesn't lie with the despicable thugs and terrorists, though I could be wrong.

The Congress authorized the invasion; maybe you can direct some of your misguided ire at them and give Bush a break. While you’re at it, THINK about why we are there and how OUR mission was to promote a peaceful Democracy.

Maybe you can also direct some of your misguided ire at the terrorist thugs who are actually doing most if not ALL of the killing instead of blaming Bush.

Your notions of a good leader are far different from mine. A GOOD leader doesn't allow the emotional babble from the media or the people to dictate policy. Once a decision is made, he follows it through regardless of popular opinion.

The last person who led based on popular opinion helped set up the events that led to 9-11; Bush was a refreshing breath of fresh air in that he actually made decisions and stuck by them. If you think you can lead a nation or a company based on a committee approach intended not to piss anyone off, you are in for a serious reality check.
 
That's amusing, I guess you missed the part where your guy Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are also for it.

No, you're amusing. :lol: The part YOU missed is that this dumb and blind idea was Bush's and Paulson's idea. And where oh where did they get the magic number "$700 million"? Paulson pulled it out of the air! :roll:

Thank God they'll be HIS-TO-RY in 35 days!!!
 
No, you're amusing. :lol: The part YOU missed is that this dumb and blind idea was Bush's and Paulson's idea. And where oh where did they get the magic number "$700 million"? Paulson pulled it out of the air! :roll:

Thank God they'll be HIS-TO-RY in 35 days!!!

Yes, thank God and then you will have Obama, Reid and Pelosi making this $700 Billion in aid look like a paltry sum as they increase the deficit spending into the troposphere. But why let FACTS and REALITY get in the way of your denial right; after all, it hasn't had any affect on your arguments so far.

Carry on! :2wave:
 
Really? :roll: Pampered rich boy does nothing with his units, misses roll calls, leaves hardly any paper trace of even existing, nobody in his units even remember him. Hmmm... sure sounds like that proverbial duck to me. :2wave:

Bush is a coward AND a liar and both are well proven.

35 days till the dictator hits the road. :2wave:

My, the lies just roll of your finger tips like they did from Bill Clinton's lips when he said he had no sexual relations with that woman.

Only someone wallowing in willful ignorance can claim Bush was a dictator or a draft dodger; I guess if the show fits, you are desperately wanting to wear it aren't you? :rofl
 
No, Obama hasn't been a complete asshole in office for 8 years. Ask me again after Obama has been in office and earned it.

But this is JUST your opinion; would you be okay if someone made up lies and distortions about Obama?
 
But why let FACTS and REALITY get in the way of your denial right; after all, it hasn't had any affect on your arguments so far.

Well, if I were to give you credit for anything it would be for being able to recognize your own behavior.

At ease!
 
I met several in airports whom I bought lunch and drinks for and they felt the exact opposite.


I have done the same exact thing. I also buy cops lunches secretly when I get the chance. They are always happy, gives me a good feeling. I have not met one vet that thinks that we are doing anything wrong yet. Doubt I would meet many that did feel that way, to be honest.

I also love the hypocrisy. Nixon always gets the crap knowcked out of him over Vietnam, though we rarely hear of LBJ being treated the same for his huge escalation of the war in the first place.

We went into Iraq under the pretense of WMD's, and that was BS IMO.

But the legitimate reasons are there... it is interesting to see people call us the bad guys, when we were ready to be done and leave in 2004... they seem to forget that we were done and ready to install a democratic government when the terrorists decided that they would engage us there and fight, and that most of the civilian deaths are becasue of murderous terrorist ISLAMIC thugs killing their own people.
 
And this means what, exactly?

"Stop the presses! Extra-extra! Read all about it! Disillusioned war vet confides in dirtpoorchris!"

It is probably meaningless to you... As it wasn't meant or directed toward you in any explanation. But thanks for being a d1ck.
 
Moderator's Warning:
Alright, the baiting ends now TD. Every other post of yours doesn't need a parting insult aimed at all liberals. Throw in another random aside like that in this thread and you're getting a baiting infraction.
 
I am a vet. I was in Iraq for seven months. Welcome to the DP. And this misses the point entirely. Kali has no right to make generalized statements as to whose life was wasted and whose wasn't. The only person who can make that determination is the one making the sacrifice. If I had died in Iraq the last thing I'd want is for some fringe leftist whackos to use it as an excuse to berate the President.

No doubt a definitive collection of data. Saracasm aside, these families, although entitled to their opinion, do not get to make that determination as it concerns the troops. Only the ones with boots on the ground get to decide whether or not they are wasting their lives. You do not get to decide for me, nor does Kali, nor does my family. It's my life, my decision.

I sincerely thank you for your courage and your service, Ethereal.
 
I've already refuted this idiotic and substanceless accusation. More importantly, you do not speak for them, they, in all reality, probably wouldn't like you nor would they agree with many of the things you say. You're just a partisan hack-job who exploits the deaths of our service members in order to further your political agenda.



What does my "political agenda" (whatever that may be) have to do with this? I don't like it when people physically attack our President, regardless of their politics. I think Bush has done a terrible job of things, likewise I'm certainly no fan of Obama's, but I will suffer physical attacks on neither of them. You do not physically attack my President, whoever they may be. If I had been there I would have kicked that moron right in his uncivilized jaw.


For you to claim if you had been there you would have assulted the shoe guy shows you are no better than him. It also is proof that even idiot Bush has more class and a better sense of humor than you. Bush thought it was funny.
Bush sheep are more upset over the whole thing than Bush. :mrgreen:
 
I am a vet. I was in Iraq for seven months. Welcome to the DP. And this misses the point entirely. Kali has no right to make generalized statements as to whose life was wasted and whose wasn't. The only person who can make that determination is the one making the sacrifice. If I had died in Iraq the last thing I'd want is for some fringe leftist whackos to use it as an excuse to berate the President.



No doubt a definitive collection of data. Saracasm aside, these families, although entitled to their opinion, do not get to make that determination as it concerns the troops. Only the ones with boots on the ground get to decide whether or not they are wasting their lives. You do not get to decide for me, nor does Kali, nor does my family. It's my life, my decision.

I know troops that were in Iraq and they share my same feelings. I am not some leftist wacko so you can spare your personal attacks towards me! Also how the hell do you know if I have been in the service? You do not! You know nothing about me nor my family and friends! :(
 
Originally Posted by Ethereal
I am a vet. I was in Iraq for seven months. Welcome to the DP. And this misses the point entirely. Kali has no right to make generalized statements as to whose life was wasted and whose wasn't. The only person who can make that determination is the one making the sacrifice. If I had died in Iraq the last thing I'd want is for some fringe leftist whackos to use it as an excuse to berate the President.

No doubt a definitive collection of data. Saracasm aside, these families, although entitled to their opinion, do not get to make that determination as it concerns the troops. Only the ones with boots on the ground get to decide whether or not they are wasting their lives. You do not get to decide for me, nor does Kali, nor does my family. It's my life, my decision.

I sincerely thank you for your courage and your service, Ethereal.

Ethereal, I too would like to thank you for your service. It is truly because of people like you that we are as free a people as we are. :applaud

With that said, I do disagree with your premise that "Only the ones with boots on the ground get to decide whether or not they are wasting their lives." Once someone joins the military their free choice is gone, out the window, kaput. They in effect trust that their leaders, including the president, will hold their lives as valuable as their families do. That their president will only put their lives in danger if it is absolutely necessary.

This president abused his power and abdicated his responsibility to his military personnel by inserting them into a groundless war based on his own lies. This president put our servicemen and women in further mortal danger because he allowed that imbecile Rumsfeld to go against all common sense and accepted military tactics, by putting all those brave souls in too few number to accomplish their mission with "overwhelming force" to ensure minimal casualties. They also took no steps to protect your fellow servicemen with the proper, and available, equipment to also minimize injuries. Not to mention thinking through the initial invasion and having a well thought out plan for the occupation and withdrawal from said innocent country. Talk about irresponsible!

Our servicemen and women are not over in Iraq defending their country. They are not now, nor have they ever been, saving their country from any imminent danger of invasion or attack. They all have been sacrificed to serve this president's ego and selfish, financial reasons. Period.

The trust of these brave souls, including you, has been betrayed. Our service men and women certainly have earned the right to be proud of the job they are doing. However, their families and friends and countrymen also have the right to believe that their lives are being wasted. Many families are absolutely out of their minds po'd at Bush for the senseless killing of their loved one.

Just because they are in the military does not mean their lives are only the military's to do with what they wish, with no regard to the lunacy of the orders they are obliged to follow. The military can, and does, punish service men and women if they get too bad a sunburn because they are "damaging military property". That's the same assinine attitude some leaders, BUSH!, use when deciding what situations they will send our brave defenders to be in.

No sir. Believing a loved one's life was wasted in that war of lies is a right all of us own. You were not over there alone. You would not have died alone. You would have been remembered by many, and your honor defended by many. Your life mattered to more than just you. All of ours do.

Should it come out, via a legal investigation and conviction at trial, that Bush and company led us into a war based on lies (which they did!) it will be written in history (and probably will be anyway) that all those who died in Iraq would have died in vain. A false war is not a war of honor. Fighting, and dying, over a lie is a waste of a brave patriot.

It is these reasons, at a minimum, that Bush and Cheney should be tried and convicted of treason. Just today Cheney admitted, in an interview, that had all their claims of Iraq having WMDs been known to be false "before they invaded", they still would have been justified invading Iraq. This man belongs behind bars.

We value men and women like you too much to allow your lives to be wasted in selfish wars of the elite.
 
Wrong; but it is typical among those who are uninformed. The people responsible are the thugs, despots and terrorists who blow up police stations, mosques and markets in an effort to prevent peace from occurring.

It's quite inane to blame Bush for the actions of terrorists, but denial seems to be a Liberal forte' these days.

We had no business invading Iraq and Bush should be tried for war crimes. He has been a threat to our Nation's Security and should have been impeached:shock:
 
It is probably meaningless to you...

Only meaningless within the context of our discussion. It wasn't my intention to belittle your experience with this veteran.

As it wasn't meant or directed toward you in any explanation.

I'm sorry if I mistook your story for some kind of rebuttal, but normally that's what I assume happens when another person "replies" to the other in a debate forum.

But thanks for being a d1ck.

No phallic similarity intended on my part. Apologies.

I sincerely thank you for your courage and your service, Ethereal.

You are very much welcome.

For you to claim if you had been there you would have assulted the shoe guy shows you are no better than him.

Sorry, but when someone physically attacks another human being without provocation they lose the moral high ground and hence their right not to get kicked in the mouth.

It also is proof that even idiot Bush has more class and a better sense of humor than you. Bush thought it was funny.

Yes, I too would laugh at such a pathetic and childish display of emotion. You, on the other hand, characterize it as a noble protest. Lets us know what you think of civilized and constructive dialogue. Tell me, when McDonald's forgets to put ketchup on your cheeseburger do you throw excrement at the employees?

Bush sheep are more upset over the whole thing than Bush.

Perhaps you require a lesson in interpreting reality. You see, when one looks at the information under someone's handle (forum name) it provides you with several helpful bits of information; for instance, their political leaning. Why is this important? Because if you have a rough estimation of their ideological perspective it helps you understand where they are coming from. If you looked at my political leaning you would notice it specifies "libertarian". A smart person would logically infer that libertarian-minded individuals, not being fans of Bush, aren't accurately characterized as "Bush sheep" and that you - a partisan hack - are merely making an erroneous and idiotic assumption.
 
You ALWAYS show respect for the office regardless of your personal feelings. If everyone acted as childish as you would, the world would be a bitter place indeed.

I guess you are okay when people will show disrespect for Obama because they disagree with his policies? Or is this just another Liberal double standard?

Respect is something that should be earned not freely given. Nothing childish about that and your having a mild temper tantrum calling me childish is just making you look.. Well.. Childish:mrgreen:

When a nutty right winger disrespect Obama? It does not send me into some lame tizzy. Just something to be expected. Guess I am not as uptight as some;)
 
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Respect is something that should be earned not freely given. Nothing childish about that and your having a mild temper tantrum calling me childish is just making you look.. Well.. Childish:mrgreen:

trust needs to be earned, and regard. however, respect for life should be a given.
 
trust needs to be earned, and regard. however, respect for life should be a given.

Agree. I hope it does not appear as if I have no respect for life:3oops:
 
I have seen numerous interviews; one a 60 minutes interview with a vet who lost both legs, the answers are always the same, they would go back and do their duty again.

You see, even those who you think are stupid enough to join the military and carry out this mission have more brains in their little fingers than those pacifists who patently lie and distort the facts to fit their narrow partisan views about what this mission was all about.

Most vets that do not agree with Bush and his war fear speaking out in public about it because they fear for their family about death threats and such. :(
 
Most vets that do not agree with Bush and his war fear speaking out in public about it because they fear for their family about death threats and such. :(

You're full of shit. Thanks for asking.
 
Most vets that do not agree with Bush and his war fear speaking out in public about it because they fear for their family about death threats and such. :(

Whatever gave you that idea, vets are not in fear of speaking out in public. There will not be any death threats. As a veteran I can tell you that vets speak out all of the time in public without fear of threats to themselfs or their families.

Active duty personnel are bound by the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). Freedom of speech is restricted under this code. However I can assure you that there families or their own lifes will not be threatened should they speak out against the war or the Commander in Chief.
 
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