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Does bush deserve to have a shoe thrown at him?

Do you think Bush should be hit with a shoe.

  • Yes.

    Votes: 29 45.3%
  • No.

    Votes: 35 54.7%

  • Total voters
    64
You go blind when Pelosi sells the American people this lame $700B bailout.

Hey dood,

The $700 billion bailout is your buddy Bush's idea, along with that other liar Paulson! Read the papers much? :roll:
 
The shoe throwing guy is a hero. That is how they roll in Iraq:)
 
I agree with you 100%. Its about respecting the office of President. I also disagreed with much of what Bush did as president. But he is our president and I respect him. I voted for McCain and there is much about Obama's political stance that I disagree with. I respect Obama and believe that he should be givin a chance to do whats right for our country.

We should not blindly respect someone simply based on whatever postion they may hold in our country. :shock:
 
Yes. Were you unaware that children generally behave in an emotive and irrational manner?



He did not send them off to die. He sent them off to win a war. Sometimes people die in wars. This is not new. I also find your "concern" for the troops to be nothing more than a symptom of your political agenda. You do not speak for them, nor do you speak for their families, so any sorrow you may feel for them is probably misplaced. If I had died in Iraq the last thing my family or I would want is for someone like you using my death as an excuse to attack the President.

He sent them off to die for no valid reason. I find your political agenda and defense of this war monger disgusting. Says a lot about you:(
 
I might be wrong, but what from I saw of the video, his bodyguards ran in from another room just as he'd ducked the second shoe. Why weren't they right there wth him, knowing that he was giving a speech in place with a lot of hostile feeling towards the US?

They all knew the place was secure because everybody had already been searched and went through metal dectors, etc. The only weapons in that room were things like shoes, cams, pens, papers and the like:mrgreen:
 
The shoe throwing guy is a hero. That is how they roll in Iraq:)




No the "Heros" are the young men and women serving in the UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES, risking thier lives to bring democracy and stability to a former tyranny.


:roll:
 
I might be wrong, but what from I saw of the video, his bodyguards ran in from another room just as he'd ducked the second shoe. Why weren't they right there wth him, knowing that he was giving a speech in place with a lot of hostile feeling towards the US?

He's a lame duck president giving a speech to a bunch of reporters who had already been checked for weapons, it wasn't like someone was going to pull a gun and no one had forseen someone taking off their shoes and throwing them. It was an insult, not an attack, nothing more.
 
The shoe throwing guy is a hero. That is how they roll in Iraq:)

They roll by assulting people? Wow, great people there.

He sent them off to die for no valid reason. I find your political agenda and defense of this war monger disgusting. Says a lot about you:(

Yep, he "sent them off to die", that's exactly what he did. He went "alright, time to send people to die". Yep, for absolutely no reason as well. I mean, we all know Bush is an idiot. I mean, he sent these ****ers off to die but yet took all the time and money to send them into a war? Could've just got a big shooting gallery if he just wanted them to die. Man, what an IDIOT!

Sorry, I find your political agenda and your completely disrespect and utter classlessness in regards to this situation disgusting. Every one of your posts in this thread says a lot about you.
 
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He sent them off to die for no valid reason.

I've already refuted this idiotic and substanceless accusation. More importantly, you do not speak for them, they, in all reality, probably wouldn't like you nor would they agree with many of the things you say. You're just a partisan hack-job who exploits the deaths of our service members in order to further your political agenda.

I find your political agenda and defense of this war monger disgusting. Says a lot about you.

What does my "political agenda" (whatever that may be) have to do with this? I don't like it when people physically attack our President, regardless of their politics. I think Bush has done a terrible job of things, likewise I'm certainly no fan of Obama's, but I will suffer physical attacks on neither of them. You do not physically attack my President, whoever they may be. If I had been there I would have kicked that moron right in his uncivilized jaw.
 
I've already refuted this idiotic and substanceless accusation. More importantly, you do not speak for them, they, in all reality, probably wouldn't like you nor would they agree with many of the things you say. You're just a partisan hack-job who exploits the deaths of our service members in order to further your political agenda.



What does my "political agenda" (whatever that may be) have to do with this? I don't like it when people physically attack our President, regardless of their politics. I think Bush has done a terrible job of things, likewise I'm certainly no fan of Obama's, but I will suffer physical attacks on neither of them. You do not physically attack my President, whoever they may be. If I had been there I would have kicked that moron right in his uncivilized jaw.


The only way to really know would be to poll actual and recent vets. Neither of you really know if its a waste or not. Why not ask the ones doing it? So far more people I've met that are related to anything militairy think its all a waste more than a help.
 
The only way to really know would be to poll actual and recent vets. Neither of you really know if its a waste or not. Why not ask the ones doing it?

I am a vet. I was in Iraq for seven months. Welcome to the DP. And this misses the point entirely. Kali has no right to make generalized statements as to whose life was wasted and whose wasn't. The only person who can make that determination is the one making the sacrifice. If I had died in Iraq the last thing I'd want is for some fringe leftist whackos to use it as an excuse to berate the President.

So far more people I've met that are related to anything militairy think its all a waste more than a help.

No doubt a definitive collection of data. Saracasm aside, these families, although entitled to their opinion, do not get to make that determination as it concerns the troops. Only the ones with boots on the ground get to decide whether or not they are wasting their lives. You do not get to decide for me, nor does Kali, nor does my family. It's my life, my decision.
 
No doubt a definitive collection of data. Saracasm aside, these families, although entitled to their opinion, do not get to make that determination as it concerns the troops.
I do not do it anymore but I had one vet bawling almost after talking to him for a while. He didn't open up for a while but then admited that most of it was all bull**** and really ****ed up and made no sense what so ever. He felt incredibly duped by his own government. I could almost sense it. Almost like he felt evil because of the whole thing. I felt really bad for him. He ended the conversation with "Its up to people like you to tell um all."
 
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I do not do it anymore but I had one vet bawling almost after talking to him for a while. He didn't open up for a while but then admited that most of it was all bull**** and really ****ed up and made no sense what so ever. He felt incredibly duped by his own government. I could almost sense it. Almost like he felt evil because of the whole thing. I felt really bad for him. He ended the conversation with "Its up to people like you to tell um all."



Right. I call bullship....... :roll:
 
I do. and it was worth the chuckle. Come on you are better than this.

You just think im making **** up bud. Your on your side. Im on mine. No point argueing over what can't be proved. And I am not better than this... whatever this is. I am me.
 
You just think im making **** up bud. Your on your side. Im on mine. No point argueing over what can't be proved. And I am not better than this... whatever this is. I am me.




No your posts I agree with a lot, disagree with a lot. This "story" you just told, does not pass the logic bar..... Like I said, you are better than this.


Do you really think you who has not serverd could tell a war vet about how evil he is? DO you really think that he would consider your young naive opinion on such matters given his experience and your lack of?

Please now. Who do you think you are fooling.
 
We should not blindly respect someone simply based on whatever postion they may hold in our country. :shock:

hey a little respect never hurt anybody.
 
Reverend, you're no better right now than those on the left that talk in generalized form about what a "waste" it is and such. You're exactly what Ethereal is talking about, only on the opposite side.

Who the hell are you to tell Chris he's lieing. You think he is, fine. You stated it. Now yo'ure doing nothing but acting like a dick to him, with absolutely NOTHING backing it up save for your own stereotypes and opinion and you act like its fact while being a jerk.

Not every soldier is cookie cutter. We are a nation, and thus a military, of individuals. You're ignorant stereotyping is as bad as those that stereotype it that every military person is either ignorant or hates being in Iraq.

What Dirtpoorchris said is very possible, and at the same time means absolutely nothing in the larger scope of the military for the exact reason I said above. Yes, there is ABSOLUTELY a chance that there are people who feel guilty about what they're doing, feel that its wrong or evil, and feel that the government is betraying them. Yes, there is also a good chance that there are people who feel what we're doing is absolutely needed, the height of patriotism, and is the defining act of our generation. And there's likely a large amount in between that do their job and do it to the best of their ability because that's what they're there to do and they don't really think either way on it.

Not every person joins the military because they're Joe Marine, wanting to roll up his sleeves and serve his country and fight the bad guys. Converesly, not every person that joins the military is a down and out city kid with only a small bit of smarts who has no real option to possibly make something of himself besides going into the military. There are people from both of those scenarios and dozens upon dozens of others in the military. Ignorant people on both sides trying to portray it all, or even mostly, as one or the other is foolish and nothing but a propogandist with a piss poor, ****ty, agenda that gives more care about scoring their partisan points than the lives of those soldiers no matter what pretty words they try to use.

You're better than this Reverend, but right now you're exactly the same kind of person using the troops in your stereotyping as what Ethereal is describing, just doing it from the Right instead of the Left.
 
No your posts I agree with a lot, disagree with a lot. This "story" you just told, does not pass the logic bar..... Like I said, you are better than this.


Do you really think you who has not serverd could tell a war vet about how evil he is? DO you really think that he would consider your young naive opinion on such matters given his experience and your lack of?

Please now. Who do you think you are fooling.

I never told him he was evil.... Hopefully there is a way to prove things in heaven. I'll share a heaven beer with you and say. "I told you so."
 
Reverend, you're no better right now than those on the left that talk in generalized form about what a "waste" it is and such. You're exactly what Ethereal is talking about, only on the opposite side.

Who the hell are you to tell Chris he's lieing. You think he is, fine. You stated it. Now yo'ure doing nothing but acting like a dick to him, with absolutely NOTHING backing it up save for your own stereotypes and opinion and you act like its fact while being a jerk.

Not every soldier is cookie cutter. We are a nation, and thus a military, of individuals. You're ignorant stereotyping is as bad as those that stereotype it that every military person is either ignorant or hates being in Iraq.

What Dirtpoorchris said is very possible, and at the same time means absolutely nothing in the larger scope of the military for the exact reason I said above. Yes, there is ABSOLUTELY a chance that there are people who feel guilty about what they're doing, feel that its wrong or evil, and feel that the government is betraying them. Yes, there is also a good chance that there are people who feel what we're doing is absolutely needed, the height of patriotism, and is the defining act of our generation. And there's likely a large amount in between that do their job and do it to the best of their ability because that's what they're there to do and they don't really think either way on it.

Not every person joins the military because they're Joe Marine, wanting to roll up his sleeves and serve his country and fight the bad guys. Converesly, not every person that joins the military is a down and out city kid with only a small bit of smarts who has no real option to possibly make something of himself besides going into the military. There are people from both of those scenarios and dozens upon dozens of others in the military. Ignorant people on both sides trying to portray it all, or even mostly, as one or the other is foolish and nothing but a propogandist with a piss poor, ****ty, agenda that gives more care about scoring their partisan points than the lives of those soldiers no matter what pretty words they try to use.

You're better than this Reverend, but right now you're exactly the same kind of person using the troops in your stereotyping as what Ethereal is describing, just doing it from the Right instead of the Left.




You read to much into my point zyph.

My point is I found his story fishy, and called bs.

you can review as to why I think so, 1. the fact that some random troop would open up in some cry fest over his arguments for one.

Now he can be telling the truth, but to me it reeks of a fairy tale and I am stating my opinon to him rather respectfully why I think so.


He can tell his story, I can say I don't believe him. i made no claim that no serving troop thinks ill of this war/. :2wave:
 
You read to much into my point zyph.

My point is I found his story fishy, and called bs.

you can review as to why I think so, 1. the fact that some random troop would open up in some cry fest over his arguments for one.

Now he can be telling the truth, but to me it reeks of a fairy tale and I am stating my opinon to him rather respectfully why I think so.


He can tell his story, I can say I don't believe him. i made no claim that no serving troop thinks ill of this war/. :2wave:


And as I said, I think you were letting your biases and agenda influence your view of it. Where did he say it was a "random troop". He said it was a vet he was talking to. Do you know it wasn't a friend or at least aquantince? Someone he met through a message board or through some group meeting? Maybe through volunteer work? Why is it just a "random troop". By the sounds of his story too I don't see him opening up to a "cry fest" over some of "his arguments". He said he ALMOST was crying at one point, after a long bit of talking when the soldier finally opened up on his own. You scold the "non-serving" Chris for talking to the Soldier about evil, something he never said he did.

Do you think its possible that for someone disallalusioned by his service could hear someone who, while maybe not having military experience, has a good grasp for politics and government and take their words to heart? I've been studying a particular field of study for 20 years now, and while I'm extremely confident in it I would honestly listen to the words of someone who had even 3 or 4 years experience in a correllary field of study. Why? Because while they may not have the experience in my specific field that I do, they have more experience perhaps...or as much...as me in a similar, yet different, but still connected field. Hell, even with politics. My father was in the Navy for four years, has been interested in politics for years upon years now...yet will listen and accept some of my words after my schooling in Political Science. He doesn't take it all as gospel but I have converted his thoughts on some things through it.

It wasn't the initial disagreement with Chris's story that bothered me, despite just outright calling "bullship" on it.

It was the "you're better than this" just flat out essentially saying "you're lieing" that came after.

Then again, a third post calling it a "story" and claiming he's trying to "fool" people while completely misrepresenting the things he said.

There's saying you don't believe someone, and then there's just being a dick to them because of that thought.
 
Hey look Zyph, I don't want to make this a big thing. I will leave it as I got a bad taste in my mouth about this story and still don't believe it.


Perhaps he can elaborate so maybe I can get a better understanding of it.
 
No problem, was just coming back in to say its not a big deal. I can understand being skeptical of it. I generally am of such thigns as well. It just seemed you were being way over the top in regards to it and, while I generally often disagree with Dirtpoorchris, it felt like he was getting an unfair shake on that and found it espicially ironic considering Ethereals post.

I don't think it was your intent, but it just felt like he was getting beat with a stick completley undeservingly.
 
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