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Do you object to gay couples adopting?

Would you allow gay people to adopt?

  • Yes

    Votes: 60 59.4%

  • No

    Votes: 41 40.6%
  • Total voters
    101
Southern Man said:
Again, one does need to ask about something specifically to glean information about something specific.
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True. And because you do not understand how statistics work, you came to the incorrect conclusion.

Now, I am not going to spend 10 more pages arguing this with you. Your 1% has been debunked using simple statistics. You have 4 choices:

1) Concede the point.
2) Move on without conceding the point.
3) Admit that you do not understand the statistics of the situation. I will be happy to explain it to you in detail. No embarrassment or attacks. I tutored in statistics and it is not the easiest to understand.
4) Continue to argue a false debunked point...which would constitute trolling. I will then need to put on my mod hat and do something about it.

Your choice.
 
Southern Man said:
Please explain that one then, along with your scoring method. :lol:
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Surrender...white flag...white shirt could be used as a white flag. Get it now?

And my scoring method was this. I took all of my arguments that were accurate, added to them all of the arguments of yours I debunked, adding to them each piece of substantiation I gave, subtracted all of the substantiation you gave, and subtracted all of the arguments that you made that were accurate. I did the same for you, except I did not allow negative numbers.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Surrender...white flag...white shirt could be used as a white flag. Get it now?

And my scoring method was this. I took all of my arguments that were accurate, added to them all of the arguments of yours I debunked, adding to them each piece of substantiation I gave, subtracted all of the substantiation you gave, and subtracted all of the arguments that you made that were accurate. I did the same for you, except I did not allow negative numbers.
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I never heard the term "wife beater" to describe a white shirt, so I'll have to assume that you made it up, along with your scoring method and judgment calls that all benefit you for some strange reason. Can you work out the math for me though?, as maybe that will help to convince me that you aren't lying about that part.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
True. And because you do not understand how statistics work, you came to the incorrect conclusion.

Now, I am not going to spend 10 more pages arguing this with you. Your 1% has been debunked using simple statistics. You have 4 choices:

1) Concede the point.
2) Move on without conceding the point.
3) Admit that you do not understand the statistics of the situation. I will be happy to explain it to you in detail. No embarrassment or attacks. I tutored in statistics and it is not the easiest to understand.
4) Continue to argue a false debunked point...which would constitute trolling. I will then need to put on my mod hat and do something about it.

Your choice.
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You mean those are the only choices?
 
Southern Man said:
I never heard the term "wife beater" to describe a white shirt, so I'll have to assume that you made it up, along with your scoring method and judgment calls that all benefit you for some strange reason. Can you work out the math for me though?, as maybe that will help to convince me that you aren't lying about that part.
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You seriously never heard of a wifebeater? They are the sleeveless undershirts like in The Godfather.

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Southern Man said:
I never heard the term "wife beater" to describe a white shirt, so I'll have to assume that you made it up, along with your scoring method and judgment calls that all benefit you for some strange reason. Can you work out the math for me though?, as maybe that will help to convince me that you aren't lying about that part.
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As far as a wife-beater, here you go from the Urban dictionary:
wife beater:
form fitting white ribbed tank top worn by men; looks good on well-built fellas, pathetic on skinny fellas, and disgusting on fat beer bellied fellas
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As far as the math goes, you've already shown that you do not understand simple statistics, so there's nothing that would make me believe that you would understand this.
 
Southern Man said:
I never heard the term "wife beater" to describe a white shirt, so I'll have to assume that you made it up, along with your scoring method and judgment calls that all benefit you for some strange reason. Can you work out the math for me though?, as maybe that will help to convince me that you aren't lying about that part.
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A white sleevless tee-shirt is known as a "wife beater" in slang.

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Southern Man said:
It's reflecting, but that's not the color.
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According to the physics of light, the reflected light is the "color" of an object.

Take a ripe red tomato as your example. The Lycopene inside of the tomato absorbs pretty much every wavelength of light except for red, which it reflects. This give the tomato a red appearance.

But looking further, the tomato is actually not red. It reflects red but red is never an intrinsic characteristic of the tomato. It is actually an intrinsic characteristic of the light that never actually becomes part of the tomato.

The intrinsic characteristic of the tomato is that it will absorb all other light but red light. So in essence, everything but red becomes a part of the tomato. What is "red" is actually just the light that the tomato reflects. Since we see only the reflected light, we call the tomato "red".

Now apply this to a mirror.

Anything that is in a direct line of sight from a mirror will absorb certain wavelengths along the spectrum and reflect certain other wavelength of light onto that mirror. The mirror then reflects that light back perfectly while absorbing no light at all.

Since there is no absorption, then there can be no color.

The "color" Silver is simply a "shiny" gray. But a mirror is not gray because it reflects all colors of the spectrum, whereas gray is equal absorption and reflection of all colors of the spectrum. It is between white (total even reflection of all wavelengths) and black (total even absorption of all wavelengths). Gray occurs when X% of all light wavelengths are absorbed evenly and Y% of all light wavelengths are reflected evenly.

A mirror does not have these qualities.

If anything, a mirror might qualify as a pure "white" as it is total reflection of all wavelengths of light.

In essence, this means that a mirror has no color of its own, at least from a physic point of view, but instead it's color would most correctly be classified as "variable".

:mrgreen:

Now, some people might want to know what all of this has to do with gay couples adopting.

From what I can tell, absolutely nothing. Unless gay mirror are not being allowed to adopt. :mrgreen:
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
As far as a wife-beater, here you go from the Urban dictionary:As far as the math goes, you've already shown that you do not understand simple statistics, so there's nothing that would make me believe that you would understand this.
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Sorry, but I wear tees, and never alone. When it's hot I wear a golf shirt or a light button-down. And I've never thought of beating my lovely bride.

The stats are simple though. The Census has information that gives us the percent gay households to all households that participated in the Long Survey. That works out to 1%, which we can assume means that the percentage of gay singles is 1% of all singles, and therefore the percent gays is 1% of society as a whole.
 
Southern Man said:
So why would CC call me a wife beater? Because I don't agree with him on this issue?
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He didn't call you a wifebeater. He told you to take your wifebeater off.
:roll:
 
Tucker Case said:
According to the physics of light, the reflected light is the "color" of an object.

Take a ripe red tomato as your example. The Lycopene inside of the tomato absorbs pretty much every wavelength of light except for red, which it reflects. This give the tomato a red appearance.

But looking further, the tomato is actually not red. It reflects red but red is never an intrinsic characteristic of the tomato. It is actually an intrinsic characteristic of the light that never actually becomes part of the tomato.

The intrinsic characteristic of the tomato is that it will absorb all other light but red light. So in essence, everything but red becomes a part of the tomato. What is "red" is actually just the light that the tomato reflects. Since we see only the reflected light, we call the tomato "red".

Now apply this to a mirror.

Anything that is in a direct line of sight from a mirror will absorb certain wavelengths along the spectrum and reflect certain other wavelength of light onto that mirror. The mirror then reflects that light back perfectly while absorbing no light at all.

Since there is no absorption, then there can be no color.

The "color" Silver is simply a "shiny" gray. But a mirror is not gray because it reflects all colors of the spectrum, whereas gray is equal absorption and reflection of all colors of the spectrum. It is between white (total even reflection of all wavelengths) and black (total even absorption of all wavelengths). Gray occurs when X% of all light wavelengths are absorbed evenly and Y% of all light wavelengths are reflected evenly.

A mirror does not have these qualities.

If anything, a mirror might qualify as a pure "white" as it is total reflection of all wavelengths of light.

In essence, this means that a mirror has no color of its own, at least from a physic point of view, but instead it's color would most correctly be classified as "variable".

:mrgreen:

Now, some people might want to know what all of this has to do with gay couples adopting.

From what I can tell, absolutely nothing. Unless gay mirror are not being allowed to adopt. :mrgreen:
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Interesting theory of light physics which I cannot disagree with. When we mix pigments we end up with a different result than when we mix light, so maybe that comes into play. When it comes time to repair a glass mirror, it is done with silver pigment. If you "dull up" a polished steel mirror you will find that the metal is silver in color.
 
Southern Man said:
Interesting theory of light physics which I cannot disagree with. When we mix pigments we end up with a different result than when we mix light, so maybe that comes into play. When it comes time to repair a glass mirror, it is done with silver pigment. If you "dull up" a polished steel mirror you will find that the metal is silver in color.
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That's why the question is interesting to me. :mrgreen: Silver itself isn't a "color" really. Neither is black, white or gray. Silver pigment is a mixture of gray and reflective materials (typically metals).

Unlike gold, which still has a color, even when shined up to be reflective, silver has no real color since it has a gray to white base. :mrgreen:
 
Southern Man said:
Interesting theory of light physics which I cannot disagree with. When we mix pigments we end up with a different result than when we mix light, so maybe that comes into play. When it comes time to repair a glass mirror, it is done with silver pigment. If you "dull up" a polished steel mirror you will find that the metal is silver in color.
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If you would like to know about color theory here are a couple links:

The Josef & Anni Albers Foundation

Subtractive color theory:

Subtractive color - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Additive color theory:

Additive color - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Southern Man said:
So he made an incorrect assumption that I wear sleeveless tees, and as a result inferred that I was a wife beater. That wasn't exactly courteous either way. *shrug*
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You poor thing. He guessed your wardrobe wrong. There was no inference of spousal abuse. That's what the shirts are called. Just say thank-you for being able to learn something.
 
Southern Man said:
So he made an incorrect assumption that I wear sleeveless tees, and as a result inferred that I was a wife beater. That wasn't exactly courteous either way. *shrug*
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To be fair to the cap'n, saying someone wears wife beater t-shirts doesn't really imply that said person beats their wife.

They are also sometimes called "dego tees" but saying someone is wearing one doesn't mean that said person eats spaghetti and say "Mama Mia!" whenever they are surprised.
 
Tucker Case said:
That's why the question is interesting to me. :mrgreen: Silver itself isn't a "color" really. Neither is black, white or gray. Silver pigment is a mixture of gray and reflective materials (typically metals).

Unlike gold, which still has a color, even when shined up to be reflective, silver has no real color since it has a gray to white base. :mrgreen:
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I think the argument boils down to theory v practicality, and I veer towards the practical side, being a engineer, or 'one who takes theory and puts it into practice'.
 
Southern Man said:
I think the argument boils down to theory v practicality, and I veer towards the practical side, being a engineer, or 'one who takes theory and puts it into practice'.
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It's not really applicable in this case because the reality doesn't shift according to one's point of view. Color is always the reflection of light.

Just because silver is used to create the mirror, doesn't mean the mirror is silver. The practical applications of that reality is why such things as reflective telescopes actually work for such applications as spectral analysis of stars to determine their chemical composition.

The absence of an intrinsic color to a mirror precisely why such practical applications can exist. :mrgreen:
 
Tucker Case said:
To be fair to the cap'n, saying someone wears wife beater t-shirts doesn't really imply that said person beats their wife.

They are also sometimes called "dego tees" but saying someone is wearing one doesn't mean that said person eats spaghetti and say "Mama Mia!" whenever they are surprised.
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I think when you portray yourself to be the captain of courtesy, you set yourself up to use language which cannot be reasonably construed to be discourteous. In this case, the phrase "white shirt" could easily have been substituted for "wife beater" and have the same or better literary effect with no possibility for a discourteous inference. The use of discourteous inferences by this fellow can only imply that he is intellectually disingenuous with his self title.
 
Southern Man said:
I think when you portray yourself to be the captain of courtesy, you set yourself up to use language which cannot be reasonably construed to be discourteous. In this case, the phrase "white shirt" could easily have been substituted for "wife beater" and have the same or better literary effect with no possibility for a discourteous inference. The use of discourteous inferences by this fellow can only imply that he is intellectually disingenuous with his self title.
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Perhaps the title is meant to be ironic?
 
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