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Where does racism come from?

Where does racism come from?

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Yes their is racism,but our major problem isn't that.
I think that it's multiculturalism,and it's more of a problem than racism.
Look at all of the genocides in China, Russia,Germany,Africa,and Cambodia.
That's all about multiculturalism,and not racism.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Yes, biologically it absolutely does. Different areas of the world have different amounts of heat, and different weather patterns, as such, in the primitive days evolution favored the prepared. Different races do have different amounts of melanin, different hair patterns, etc. It's not a good or bad thing, it's a fact. Also, different races have different genetic problems and advantages such as race specific diseases, risk enhancers for diseases such as heart problems, cancer, etc. differing norms for height and other physical features, et. al. So yes, race does exist naturally, it is the human condition to assign hatred to those of differing races.

See above.
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I think i'm gonna go with this again:

Species of organisms that are monotypic (i.e. form a single subspecies) display at least one of these properties:
* The variation among individuals is noticeable and follows a pattern, but there are no clear dividing lines among separate groups: they fade imperceptibly into one another. Such clinal variation displays a lack of allopatric partition between groups (i.e. a clearly defined boundary demarcating the subspecies), which is usually required before they are recognised as subspecies.[28]
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Race (classification of human beings) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Humans exhibit clinal variation so they are monotypic (i.e. no subspecies or races). Population variation does not on it's own imply the existence of races, discrete variation does.
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Racism is most often the waste product of ignorance.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Yes, because they are race specific traits, therefore there exist differences.
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No, they are not race specific traits.
No hair type or skin color is specific to any one ethnicity.
 
1069 said:
No, they are not race specific traits.
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So, you are saying that people without black genetic heritage get sickle cell anemia? Or that leaprosy affects whites at the same rate as non-whites? Do tell.
No hair type or skin color is specific to any one ethnicity.
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Textures, predominant hair colors, heights, melanin levels, weights, disease susceptibility are all linked to various lineages.
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So, you are saying that people without black genetic heritage get sickle cell anemia? Or that leaprosy affects whites at the same rate as non-whites? Do tell.
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In order to respond to these questions you're first going to have to define what "black" is, and what "white" is. Are you prepared to do that, or are you going to avoid that question just like every other racist that is confronted with that question?
 
Khayembii Communique said:
In order to respond to these questions you're first going to have to define what "black" is, and what "white" is. Are you prepared to do that, or are you going to avoid that question just like every other racist that is confronted with that question?
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Sickle cell anemia is a good example of ignourance because as everyone knows its a "black" illness.

Except it isnt its actually a illness common from people who are from places with high levels of malaria.
 
mikhail said:
Sickle cell anemia is a good example of ignourance because as everyone knows its a "black" illness.

Except it isnt its actually a illness common from people who are from places with high levels of malaria.
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It isn't necessarily only black, but is most prominent in those of a heritage from south of the Saharan region of Africa.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
In order to respond to these questions you're first going to have to define what "black" is, and what "white" is. Are you prepared to do that, or are you going to avoid that question just like every other racist that is confronted with that question?
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Racist? Riiiiight because I refuse to use P.C. jargon to refer to people, okay, sure. I don't debate with people who blindly throw out the racist label. How about you then explain the genome differences in those found of different heritages. People of Western European heritage usually have a lighter skin/hair color than those born in the Asian and African regions of the world, whereas people born south of the equator tend to be darker, but yeah, I guess we are ALL the same genetically.:roll: BTW I am not saying these differences are preferential, superior, etc. THAT would be racist, I am simply stating, if you can see past that little PC worldview of yours, that PEOPLE are different, if you can't see that, then you are dishonest or blind. See ya.
 
Racist? Riiiiight because I refuse to use P.C. jargon to refer to people, okay, sure. I don't debate with people who blindly throw out the racist label.
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I'm not blindingly throwing it out there. The recognition of race as a "biological fact" is inherently racist, as it is making presumptive generalizations about "races".

How about you then explain the genome differences in those found of different heritages.
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How about you explain the fact that it is more common to be genetically more similar to someone of a "different race" than someone of the same "race". Actually, how about you explain how races biologically exist and support your claim with some scientific proof?

People of Western European heritage usually have a lighter skin/hair color than those born in the Asian and African regions of the world, whereas people born south of the equator tend to be darker
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Well no ****. But this really has nothing to do with race, as these changes aren't discretized but change gradually over a large geographical area. You are attempting to put a dividing line in there somewhere to define two different "races", however what you don't realize is that any attempt at division into races is completely arbitrary and unscientific. This is why you are unable to actually answer the questions that are repeatedly asked of you: What is race? How many different races are there? How are they defined? You are unable to do so because it is impossible to do so. Instead you resort to dodging those questions and going on an irrelevant rant.

BTW I am not saying these differences are preferential, superior, etc. THAT would be racist, I am simply stating, if you can see past that little PC worldview of yours, that PEOPLE are different, if you can't see that, then you are dishonest or blind. See ya.
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Like I said before, the mere belief that races have any basis in biology is racist in itself. "Jews have big noses" is just as racist as "Jews run the world". One might be more hateful than the other, but they are both equally racist. You are trying to justify your racism by saying that it's not hateful, which somehow makes it acceptable. It doesn't.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
I'm not blindingly throwing it out there. The recognition of race as a "biological fact" is inherently racist, as it is making presumptive generalizations about "races".
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THE DNA IS GENETICALLY COMPATIBLE BUT THE GENOMES ARE NOT ALIKE, NOT ALIKE=DIFFERENT. Again, you assume racism because you want to see it.



How about you explain the fact that it is more common to be genetically more similar to someone of a "different race" than someone of the same "race". Actually, how about you explain how races biologically exist and support your claim with some scientific proof?
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GENOMES ARE NOT ALIKE, WHICH EQUALS D-I-F-F-E-R-E-N-T.



Well no ****. But this really has nothing to do with race, as these changes aren't discretized but change gradually over a large geographical area. You are attempting to put a dividing line in there somewhere to define two different "races", however what you don't realize is that any attempt at division into races is completely arbitrary and unscientific. This is why you are unable to actually answer the questions that are repeatedly asked of you: What is race? How many different races are there? How are they defined? You are unable to do so because it is impossible to do so. Instead you resort to dodging those questions and going on an irrelevant rant.
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So, what is it, do the genes affect color, height, and other factors based on primitive climate needs or not? People are either all the same or they are not. I know, the concept of people having different charecteristics offends you, but it is reality, again, it isn't wrong to have descriptions of differences, it is wrong to treat people differently just based on those differences. Get it yet?



Like I said before, the mere belief that races have any basis in biology is racist in itself. "Jews have big noses" is just as racist as "Jews run the world". One might be more hateful than the other, but they are both equally racist. You are trying to justify your racism by saying that it's not hateful, which somehow makes it acceptable. It doesn't.
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Races are set to charecteristics, to ignore the fact that we have differences is naive, at best, dishonest at worst, and wrong either way.
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LaMidRighter said:
It isn't necessarily only black, but is most prominent in those of a heritage from south of the Saharan region of Africa.
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I dunno; a good friend of mine (and her daughter) both have it. They're half Puerto Rican, half white. Straight light brown hair, hazel eyes, skin paler than mine.
So I don't guess it's a "black disease". I don't know any black people who have it (then again, I don't know that many black people, period).
 
1069 said:
I dunno; a good friend of mine (and her daughter) both have it. They're half Puerto Rican, half white. Straight light brown hair, hazel eyes, skin paler than mine.
So I don't guess it's a "black disease". I don't know any black people who have it (then again, I don't know that many black people, period).
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Your friend and her daughter are immune to Malaria. Just pointing out the silver lining.
 
1069 said:
I dunno; a good friend of mine (and her daughter) both have it. They're half Puerto Rican, half white. Straight light brown hair, hazel eyes, skin paler than mine.
So I don't guess it's a "black disease". I don't know any black people who have it (then again, I don't know that many black people, period).
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You are right. I used to believe that it was only a black condition. I was taught here at DP that I was incorrect.
 
Vader said:
Racism is most often the waste product of ignorance.
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Pretty much and perhaps a failure at life leads to wanting to blame others.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
You are right. I used to believe that it was only a black condition. I was taught here at DP that I was incorrect.
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Aren't the PR, like Cubans, and citizens of other west indies islands, pretty much a mixed race, with a certain amount of black influence?
 
I believe initially racism came from survival instinct. There was a time, not so long ago, that those groups who could better organize and work as a group were the more likely survivors, or winners in case of conflict.
Now, tho, I think we should be smarter, but it has become more of a cultural thing, with adults passing on the idea to their children.
So, with overlap of generations and the world "getting smaller", I am thinking both survival instinct and learned...
 
Racism or forms if it can also come by social changes. The increasing diverse world and in particular this economic crisis.
When people are in trouble, they look for a scape goat, im getting increasingly concerned over this focus and emphasis of immigrants as if they are fully responsible for the crisis and lack of jobs, by the media which has led to racist parties like BNP getting more support
 
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UtahBill said:
Aren't the PR, like Cubans, and citizens of other west indies islands, pretty much a mixed race, with a certain amount of black influence?
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Actually, everyone has some black influence in them. The history of mankind is in our DNA.
 
LaMidRighter said:
So, what is it, do the genes affect color, height, and other factors based on primitive climate needs or not? People are either all the same or they are not. I know, the concept of people having different charecteristics offends you, but it is reality, again, it isn't wrong to have descriptions of differences, it is wrong to treat people differently just based on those differences. Get it yet?
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I'd like to see you address the point that humans fit the definition of monotypic.
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So, what is it, do the genes affect color, height, and other factors based on primitive climate needs or not? People are either all the same or they are not. I know, the concept of people having different charecteristics offends you, but it is reality, again, it isn't wrong to have descriptions of differences, it is wrong to treat people differently just based on those differences. Get it yet?
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The krux of the discussion isn't that people have different characteristics that are genetically determined, it is whether or not race exists. Let me direct you back to the actual discussion, since you are so keen on avoiding it:

In order to respond to these questions you're first going to have to define what "black" is, and what "white" is. Are you prepared to do that, or are you going to avoid that question just like every other racist that is confronted with that question?
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You can't talk about these different categories without first defining them. That is what I am waiting for you to do.
 
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