Does anyone honestly believe that Trump will win again?

smallvoice said:

Sorry, I’m a “real” veteran, and I am being well cared for by the “Republicans”. You do know that veterans overwhelmingly support Republican candidates, don’t you? There is a reason for that-Democrat’s won’t serve, and they treat veterans like crap.

Kerry, on the other hand, was a sleazebag, and still is. He wasn’t smeared, he got off. That traitor should be in jail. You may thank the Ds for that travesty.


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“Real” veteran eh? Like a True Scotsman.

Also Democrats don’t serve? You know we’re talking about John Kerry right?

The fact that veterans vote republican isn’t a validation of Republican policies. It seems veterans are another group who vote against their own interests. Turkeys voting for thanksgiving.

TurtleDude said:

what conservative values have you supported before Trump was elected? what conservative values does Biden advance?

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You've really got a stick up your craw for me, dontchya?
Flattered.
I'm unsure what the protocol is here. Am I supposed to pretend you're in my craw too?
You hold some imaginary version of me in your head. But it's not real.

I understand your confusion.
I'm not part of the "conservative" market segment.
I'm guided more by principle than politicians.

For example, I believe in the principle that our Republic should not engage in elective wars.
War is hell. War is a racket. War can lead to unexpected events. Once it's started, it must run its course.
So, war is only for when we must, not when we want to. Or when we think it'd be cool.
Is that conservative?

I'm big on family values, the sanctity of marriage, setting moral examples for the generations to come, personal responsibility and accountability.
If you swear an oath before God and everybody, it ought to mean something.
Is that conservative?

Or is Trump's serial philandering and multiple divorces conservative?

Trypt said:

So, Biden's racist past is nothing to worry about, or his weird obsession with pawing young girls? I can understand the latter, just an old man, whatever, but the racism of this guy over the years is unbelievable, and any lefty that claims to care about racism could never vote for him. I understand the new illiberal left is all about projection and double standard, but this is ridiculous.

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Oh the irony of this comment. Biden's "racist past" is non existent. Trump was literally sued for refusing to rent to blacks and minorities, was very adamant about the Central Park five being guilty despite evidence proving their innocence, his birtherism, phony "black on white crime" statistics he retweeted to his idiot followers, etc etc.

And young girls? Never mind the fact that Trump was good friends with Epstein, Trump has been accused of walking in the dressing rooms of under age girls, and making comments to under age girls about wanting "to date them in a few years". Never mind the fact that Trump clearly wants to bang his own daughter.

For you to babble about "projection and double standards" is about as funny as Trump's fake orange tan.

ReubenSherr said:

Which polls are you using? Many oversample Democrats, anywhere between 4 and 8 percentage points.

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Well, there are more democrats than there are republicans, so...............

How could they NOT over sample democrats if the sampling is random?

I don't even pretend to understand polling methods and which methods are good or which methods are bad.

But, polls be damned. You cannot depend on them. I would not bet a nickel for or against Trump winning.

The worst thing that could happen is for people to think that Biden has the election in the bag and just stay home on election day.

Vote people! America is at a crossroad ideologically. If people will show up at the polls, in droves, we can fix this and turn it around before it's too late.

roguenuke said:

I'm a veteran and definitely do not support Trump. In fact, many of my Navy friends will be voting for either Biden or Jorgensen, not Trump.

Half of active-duty service members are unhappy with Trump, new Military Times poll shows

I would like to find a comparison of sentiments among troops for various Presidents while they were in office, as well as one that sorts by political ideology. I retired, so served under the last 4 Presidents for at least some time. I absolutely realize that the military tends to lean Republican/conservative, which would mean you would have to compare troop sentiment for Trump to that for the Bushs and Reagan to get a good feel of how well Trump compares, is doing.

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Considering how Trump is on record bashing POW's, despite being a draft dodging piece of crap...it's a miracle he even gets 10% of the military vote.

That R next to his name is the only reason why, btw. None of Trump "vet supporters" probably liked him back when he was a Democrat.

X Factor said:

You can be confident that righties will accept the election results at least as well as lefties did the last election.

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Trump won and still claimed fraud and plenty of RW dolts agreed with him.

AlphaOmega said:

Well ding ding ding.............we have a Winner! You are literally the first leftist who actually believes in yourself. Good for you! I'll be sorry to see you go in November. As far as me not leaving if I lose....I don't welch on my statements. That would be exponentially worse than the act of losing and would automatically classify me as a beta male. But congrats...you are the first leftist to demonstrate you believe in your rhetoric! A+++

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You're a Trump voter. You're already the beta to his alpha. Just like when you couldn't explain why cases didn't go up in Minnesota(at least I think it was you who ran away).

bubbabgone said:

Just out of curiosity, why are you so certain Biden will win? What are you basing it on?

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National And STATE polls that show Trump outside the margin of error.

AlphaOmega said:

There is a 100% certainty Trump will win. I have stated I will resign from the forum if I am wrong. Are you that confident in Biden?

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Any qualifications on that? Like...even if Trump leaves office after losing, or starts up big lawsuits claiming fraud...

Or if you believe there was voter fraud period? Will you continue to claim he won even when it's decided officially that he didnt?

Will you still leave?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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ajn678 said:

At this point it seems almost certain that Biden will win. I haven't been here much recently, so haven't had a grasp of the opinions around here. So does anyone still believe Trump wins in November? I don't see there being any possible chance unless Biden can't make it til November for some reason.

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It is not certain he will win. And one of the biggest reasons is that his supporters will get complacent again and not show up to vote.

Fruityfact said:

Trump won and still claimed fraud and plenty of RW dolts agreed with him.



You're a Trump voter. You're already the beta to his alpha. Just like when you couldn't explain why cases didn't go up in Minnesota(at least I think it was you who ran away).



National And STATE polls that show Trump outside the margin of error.

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As I explained...cases went up everywhere across the US as predicted following the massive crowds if selfish leftists who put rioting above national security. As those of us who are informed know, the rioters were not all locals. They were brought in. They then left to spread the disease around the nation. Ill await your contact tracing to prove otherwise.

AlphaOmega said:

As I explained...cases went up everywhere across the US as predicted following the massive crowds if selfish leftists who put rioting above national security. As those of us who are inforned know, the rioters were not all locals. They were brought in. They then left to spread the disease around the nation. Ill await your contact tracing to prove otherwise.

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Pathetic beta. Already schooled and you can't even come up with anything else. Not even you believe your lies
:lamo:lamo:lamo

AlphaOmega said:

As I explained...cases went up everywhere across the US as predicted following the massive crowds if selfish leftists who put rioting above national security. As those of us who are inforned know, the rioters were not all locals. They were brought in. They then left to spread the disease around the nation. Ill await your contact tracing to prove otherwise.

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Actually, cases started to go up when pudgy overweight Trump supporters starting protesting Dem governors after the idiot president told them to "LIBERATE!" on twitter. People watched those clowns protest to get a haircut, and probably figured "if they are doing it, why can't I?"

Simon W. Moon said:

You've really got a stick up your craw for me, dontchya?
Flattered.
I'm unsure what the protocol is here. Am I supposed to pretend you're in my craw too?
You hold some imaginary version of me in your head. But it's not real.

I understand your confusion.
I'm not part of the "conservative" market segment.
I'm guided more by principle than politicians.

For example, I believe in the principle that our Republic should not engage in elective wars.
War is hell. War is a racket. War can lead to unexpected events. Once it's started, it must run its course.
So, war is only for when we must, not when we want to. Or when we think it'd be cool.
Is that conservative?

I'm big on family values, the sanctity of marriage, setting moral examples for the generations to come, personal responsibility and accountability.
If you swear an oath before God and everybody, it ought to mean something.
Is that conservative?

Or is Trump's serial philandering and multiple divorces conservative?

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You appear to be a social conservative. Know that not ALL conservatives give a rat's ass about the private consensual relationships of the elected or anyone else.

Decypher said:

“Real” veteran eh? Like a True Scotsman.

Also Democrats don’t serve? You know we’re talking about John Kerry right?

The fact that veterans vote republican isn’t a validation of Republican policies. It seems veterans are another group who vote against their own interests. Turkeys voting for thanksgiving.

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Nonsense,and you know it. Either it is a validation of Republican policies, or a repudiation of Democrat policies, probably some of both. Apparently you think the Republicans don’t support the military. I KNOW the Democrats don’t, unless doing otherwise confirm it.


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trixare4kids said:

You appear to be a social conservative. Know that not ALL conservatives give a rat's ass about the private consensual relationships of the elected or anyone else.

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It's not about consensual relationships.

It's about swearing an oath before God and meaning it.

If you can't do that, how much can you be trusted?
What's your character like?

Simon W. Moon said:

It's not about consensual relationships.

It's about swearing an oath before God and meaning it.

If you can't do that, how much can you be trusted?
What's your character like?

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Yes, it is about that. The relationships between consenting adults is none of the collective's business.

The thread is not about me. It's about the busybodies who think it's their responsibility to legislate morality.

You are conflating your Godly beliefs in a country that is secular.

trixare4kids said:

Yes, it is about that. The relationships between consenting adults is none of the collective's business.
The thread is not about me. It's about the busybodies who think it's their responsibility to legislate morality.
You are conflating your Godly beliefs in a country that is secular.

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The word God is distracting you.

Try this:

It's about swearing an oath and meaning it.
If you can't do that, how much can you be trusted?
What's your character like?


Secular people also dislike lies, liars, and oathbreakers.


Everyone who is elected swears an oath to uphold the Constitution.
How much would you like be able to trust the person making the oath?

Simon W. Moon said:

The word God is distracting you.

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Nope. You're the one who invoked God's name into the discussion.

Try this:

It's about swearing an oath and meaning it.
If you can't do that, how much can you be trusted?
What's your character like?


Secular people also dislike lies, liars, and oathbreakers.


Everyone who is elected swears an oath to uphold the Constitution.
How much would you like be able to trust the person making the oath?

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Trump swore on the Holy Bible while taking the oath that he wouldn't cheat on his wife or have an affair?

Since taking the oath of office, got proof he has?

Listen up... if you think Hillary Clinton is more trustworthy than Trump, you should have voted for her.
I didn't vote for either.

People usually vote for the candidates who champions most of their political views. It's that simple.
It isn't rocket scientology. It's politics. And all politicians are known to fudge the truth from time to time.
Almost all of them... Hell, even Jimmy Carter wasn't a saint. He "had lust in his heart".

We do the best we can with what we have. I don't trust politicians... don't need to do that because that's a fool's errand. I don't even have to LIKE them... I sure don't like Trump, but there again, I loathed Hillary and I sure don't respect that lying Obama coat tail rider, Biden.

I will vote for Trump come Nov. not because he is Godly but because his political agenda, especially in growing the economy, is okay by me.

AlphaOmega said:

As I explained...cases went up everywhere across the US as predicted following the massive crowds if selfish leftists who put rioting above national security. As those of us who are informed know, the rioters were not all locals. They were brought in. They then left to spread the disease around the nation. Ill await your contact tracing to prove otherwise.

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So Trump’s political Tulsa rally was... good leadership?

Simon W. Moon said:

It's not about consensual relationships.

It's about swearing an oath before God and meaning it.

If you can't do that, how much can you be trusted?
What's your character like?

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So if God wasn’t around, you would not be a trustworthy person that anyone could trust? How do you think that would work out for you, God or no God?

Never underestimate the GOP abilities to use gerrymandering and voter suppression and fear mongering. They have perfected those arts.

ataraxia said:

So if God wasn’t around, you would not be a trustworthy person that anyone could trust? How do you think that would work out for you, God or no God?

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The word God is distracting you.

Try this:

It's about swearing an oath and meaning it.
If you can't do that, how much can you be trusted?
What's your character like?

trixare4kids said:

Trump swore on the Holy Bible while taking the oath that he wouldn't cheat on his wife or have an affair?

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fair point, Trump probably didn't invoke God into his marriages.

But, yes, the general generic marriage vows involve "forsaking all others".
That's what that part means.

trixare4kids said:

People usually vote for the candidates who champions most of their political views. It's that simple.
It isn't rocket scientology. It's politics. And all politicians are known to fudge the truth from time to time.
Almost all of them... Hell, even Jimmy Carter wasn't a saint. He "had lust in his heart".
We do the best we can with what we have. I don't trust politicians... don't need to do that because that's a fool's errand. I don't even have to LIKE them... I sure don't like Trump, but there again, I loathed Hillary and I sure don't respect that lying Obama coat tail rider, Biden.
I will vote for Trump come Nov. not because he is Godly but because his political agenda, especially in growing the economy, is okay by me.

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Agendas and planks're important.
But carrying out the agenda and planks is more important.

I wish I hadn't used the word god.
Now everyone has trouble seeing past that.

We don't know what surprises the World has in store for us.
What if agendas must change because of unforeseen events like war?
What if events preclude the fulfillment of planks for w/e reasons?

Character is all you have to judge how someone will handle the unplanned and unexpected.

Trump's covid response is directly in line with his character.

I honestly believed Hillary would win in 2016, so now I take a position that nothing is ever certain- so yes, Trump could still win.

The silent majority is real. Recently one poll said 76% of people are concerned about discussing politics and who they support because of the atmosphere of cancel culture that if they were a Trump supporter they could lose their damn job! There are those who identify as Democrat that are afraid to speak politics because they are not on board with the Bernie Bros. We know the Bernie Bros will throw anyone under the bus that does not conform to their mindset. Before November if Biden has not totally gone the way of Bernie, they are not going to show up to vote.

Trump supporters are not answering their phones for polls. But their fundraising in small donations is through the roof. The Republicans have registered more people during this time to be ready to vote in November. Their online programs are watched by millions. There's a real enthusiasm among the people to vote for Trump.

As we watch what the Democrats are peddling, people in suburbs are becoming very disturbed. In the Democrat agenda the goal is to end suburbs and have them swept up into the major cities they surround. Many living in suburbs today left the inner city because of the crime, poorly run schools and lack of economic opportunity. Today suburbs are very diverse where people enjoy a life where they do not have to deal with drive by shootings and high crime in general. They are a diverse population that sought the American dream and were successful in obtaining it through hard work. Their kids have better schools to attend because the people work hard pay excessive taxes to insure their children attend decent schools. Regardless of color of skin, these people do not want to give that up to end up having to pay for the ****holes in our inner cities that have been run into the ground by Democratic leadership for decades depleting the funds in their own communities.

Suburban dwellers moved to the suburbs for safety. Women in suburbs overwhelmingly say safety is important to them. While all this mayhem in our inner cities continues to unfold our media is still claiming the protests are "mostly peaceful". The reason is the suburban dwellers especially the women. But the truth is getting out and come November the silent majority will vote.

trixare4kids said:

You appear to be a social conservative. Know that not ALL conservatives give a rat's ass about the private consensual relationships of the elected or anyone else.

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strikes me as similar to old line blue collar trade unions. Always voted Democrat but opposed gay marriage, abortion, or -in many cases-integration