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Firearms - The Primary Problem

The primary problem with firearms


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Where is the disconnect? Is it me? :confused:

It doesn't matter whether the whites live in the ghetto or in the suburbs if they are falling victim to home invasions and gun violence. If the USA whites flee they can still be subject to crimes... so why are the UK whites rates of crime rising faster than those in the USA?

Because white people in America live in disproportionately economically advantaged neighborhoods, and such areas have less crime. In the UK, this is not NEARLY as prevalent, due to a far more homogeneous society.
 
Because white people in America live in disproportionately economically advantaged neighborhoods, and such areas have less crime. In the UK, this is not NEARLY as prevalent, due to a far more homogeneous society.

That is an interesting claim but there are millions of poor whites in America-I live in Ohio and Appalachia is less than an hour or so away. People out there aren't shooting each other at high rates.
 
That is an interesting claim but there are millions of poor whites in America-I live in Ohio and Appalachia is less than an hour or so away. People out there aren't shooting each other at high rates.

There may be some validity to his claim. Maybe I'm totally wrong but limited living space and available housing, like in England, does not lend to just moving to somewhere else because you don't like the crime rate.
 
Isn't the very statement "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" a strawman? Honestly, has even the most anti-gun proponents ever said that guns kill people all on their own?
 
Isn't the very statement "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" a strawman? Honestly, has even the most anti-gun proponents ever said that guns kill people all on their own?

They claim that having access to guns causes people to kill others-strangely I have never heard of anyone being shot to death at a gun show or at the Grand American Trapshoot where there are several thousand people carrying ultra lethal 12 g shotguns and several millions dollars of them for sale.
 
They claim that having access to guns causes people to kill others-strangely I have never heard of anyone being shot to death at a gun show or at the Grand American Trapshoot where there are several thousand people carrying ultra lethal 12 g shotguns and several millions dollars of them for sale.

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They claim that having access to guns causes people to kill others-strangely I have never heard of anyone being shot to death at a gun show or at the Grand American Trapshoot where there are several thousand people carrying ultra lethal 12 g shotguns and several millions dollars of them for sale.
No, we claim that it makes it much easier to kill others. I would prefer that it be quite difficult to kill others personally. A gun allows anybody to do it. At the very least, without guns you'd either need to physically overwhelm me or figure out some way to poison me. That lowers the likelihood of me dying.
 
That's a good idea, why DON'T we take a look at UK gun crime? Let's see, in 2002, there were 0.15 gun deaths per 100,000 people. In 2001 in the United States there were 3.98. Or over 25x as many. Doesn't seem to be the same level of problem. Then again, maybe the issue is that the people who own guns in America are more likely to be insane. Such as considering that right akin to freedom of speech.

I do believe you just missed the forest by staring at the trees. The UK has the strictest gun regulations for any industrialized nation. Despite this it still has gun related homicides which are also on the rise. Ironically, they're trying to ban knives, machettes, and samurai swords because of the explosion of knife related homicides. :rofl

Love the commercial YouTube - Not a good look(anti-knife campaign)

So much for your people who own guns in America are more likely to be insane arguement. I can't wait till they ban chainsaws.
 
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I do believe you just missed the forest by staring at the trees. The UK has the strictest gun regulations for any industrialized nation. Despite this it still has gun related homicides which are also on the rise. Ironically, they're trying to ban knives, machettes, and samurai swords because of the explosion of knife related homicides. :rofl

Love the commercial YouTube - Not a good look(anti-knife campaign)

So much for your people who own guns in America are more likely to be insane arguement. I can't wait till they ban chainsaws.
I fail to see how rising figures for gun homicide in Britain, while remaining exponentially lower than the United States, at all helps your argument.
 
No, we claim that it makes it much easier to kill others. I would prefer that it be quite difficult to kill others personally. A gun allows anybody to do it. At the very least, without guns you'd either need to physically overwhelm me or figure out some way to poison me. That lowers the likelihood of me dying.




What a sad world you live in to think that all people are one gun a way from a kill crazy rampage..... :roll:
 
No, we claim that it makes it much easier to kill others. I would prefer that it be quite difficult to kill others personally. A gun allows anybody to do it. At the very least, without guns you'd either need to physically overwhelm me or figure out some way to poison me. That lowers the likelihood of me dying.

Yeah that is good thinking. That means some 20 year old guy who has been street fighting for 10 years has nothing to worry about from my wife, my ten year old son or anyone over age 55. That is what is so good about guns. It means your grandmother can defend herself from three gangbangers.


BTW you are living in a drug induced stupor if you think you can create a world without guns. All you can do is deprive people like my wife or your grandma. The criminals are always going to have them.
 
I fail to see how rising figures for gun homicide in Britain, while remaining exponentially lower than the United States, at all helps your argument.

Easy-before they started strictly controlling guns they had an extremely low rate of violent crime. That has increased as they increased gun bans. They banned handguns based on ONE-repeat ONE shooting spree (Dunblane 1997) and that resulted in an increase in crime. The funny thing is that the Home Minister bragged that CRIME WITH LEGAL HANDGUNS disappeared because there were no more legal handguns. Of course overall crime-especially home invasion robberies increased.
 
That's a good idea, why DON'T we take a look at UK gun crime? Let's see, in 2002, there were 0.15 gun deaths per 100,000 people. In 2001 in the United States there were 3.98. Or over 25x as many. Doesn't seem to be the same level of problem.
Lets assume your figures are correct.
25x more gun deaths in the US.
How many x more guns in the US than in the UK?
 
That one's easy; in the UK it's tougher to shoot each other because there is gun control.
Given the numbers you presented, its almost a certainty that any given gun in the UK is more likely to be used to kill someone than any given gun in the US.
 
BlueKC:
Did you have a response to these questions?

How does the argument that the 2nd covers any firearm you care to mention extend then to anthraxx and smallpox?

Given that the 2nd exits because people sometimes need to kill other people, what argument is there that the 2nd doesnt protect firearms (supposedly) built for that purpose?
 
BlueKC:
Did you have a response to this question?

So... what do you do for that 8 minutes while your daughter is being raped?
 
The more I study this issue I still come to the inescapable conclusion that firearms are a problem. In that I mean those who should not possess them gain access to them and possess them illegally and then, in turn, use them in the commission of crimes, mayhem and murder.
IMO there seems to be no viable solution to this issue, how to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, et al those determined to be prohibited persons under the GCA.

The thing about rights is that if you are legal US citizen and not in prison then you should not be denied those rights,nor should you have to jump over any hoops in order to be able exercise those rights. Our rights come from the constitution not the government and the second is there so that the people can adequately overthrow the government in the event the government becomes corrupt. Therefore the government should have no authority in deciding any preconditions of those rights, nor should they be allowed to decide what firearms a law abiding citizen should be allowed to own.


I used to be on board with not allowing convicted felons to own firearms,but as others have pointed out the government decides what is and isn't a felony and if you paid your debt to society by serving your time then you shouldn't be barred from owning firearms. Besides anti-2nd amendment laws will not stop those "prohibited" people as defined in the GCA from obtaining a firearm if they really want those firearms. After all criminals do not obey laws in the first place,this has been mentioned many times in many 2nd amendment discussion threads.




Do you have a solution james?


Punish the criminals,not restrict the rights of law abiding citizen.
Get tough on crime.Make prison a punishment,not a gay Sanfransickan university on the worst side of town. Remove the televisions, weights, libraries, and computers, they can spend their free time and get exercise by working in chain gangs. No conjugal visits,they are inmates not hotel guest, they are in prison as a punishment. No ***** rich boy private prisons,you get convicted of a crime you should get sent to a real prison like everybody else who gets sent to prison, not some country club prison. Bring back chain gangs to all prisons,not just Arizona, after all they have a debt to pay back to society and prisons cost money to the tax payers to run,so make some of that cost back up by bringing back the chain gangs. Feed the inmates bread(fortified with daily nutritional requirements) and water,if they wanted normal food then they should not be committing crimes in the first place. Bring back the sweat boxes,inmates need to fear and respect the authority of the guards. The worse thing to fear about prison shouldn't be some inmate making you his bitch or getting stabbed or beaten in a prison gang war. If inmates are able to do those things then apparently there is too much freedom in prison. The thing to fear about prison should be the loss of freedom and the loss of things(legal things) you used to do when you were not incarcerated.
 
Make the rapist some tea? Raping can work up an awful thirst.
It would be terribly impolite to not afford your daughter's rapist something to drink - and, certainly, a light snack would be in order.
 
Is it the weapon or the person pulling the trigger?
We have one vote for the weapon itself, but don't know who cast the vote. What's up with that? I find it facinating that the vast majority so far voted conservative.
 
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The more I study this issue I still come to the inescapable conclusion that firearms are a problem. In that I mean those who should not possess them gain access to them and possess them illegally and then, in turn, use them in the commission of crimes, mayhem and murder.

IMO there seems to be no viable solution to this issue, how to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, et al those determined to be prohibited persons under the GCA. Do you have a solution james?

I have a solution. Let EVERYBODY own one. A criminal will think twice about ****ing with someone knowing they're armed.;)

Did somebody REALLY vote for the gun?:shock:
 
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