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Why calling black people 'niggers' is not racist.

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1069 said:
Cap'n, could you please help Jallman get control of himself and get back on topic?
He needs some assistance.
Thank you. :2wave:
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You really are too much with yourself.
 
1069 said:
Cap'n? Jallman really really needs some help like right now?
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Wassa' matter? Can't take care of me yourself so you go running to Cap who you insult about as much as you do me? Figures.
 
Shut up, you buck-tooth, cracker rednecks before we Yankees come down there again and settle your hash!
 
Jallman said:
Texas is not considered "the South". West Texas included.
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Not sure what you're getting at but are saying as in 'the whole South'? I agree. As far as Texas having a little of everything the South it is true. Apparently moreso then any other state.

Southern United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Modern definition The states in dark red are almost always included in modern day definitions of the South, while those in medium red are usually included. Maryland and Missouri are occasionally considered Southern, while Delaware is only rarely considered part of the South. Oklahoma is sometimes considered Southern because the area of Oklahoma, then known as Indian Territory, was allied with the Confederacy. West Virginia is often considered Southern, because it was once part of Virginia.
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Historic Southern United States. The states in red were in the Confederacy and have historically been regarded as forming "the South." Those in stripes were considered "Border" states, and gave varying degrees of support to the Southern cause although they remained in the Union. (This image depicts the original, trans-Allegheny borders of Virginia, and so does not show West Virginia separately. See image below for post-1863 Virginia and West Virginia borders.)
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The South is one of four Census Bureau Regions.
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(See Cultural Variations for more about the complexity of southern states).

As defined by the United States Census Bureau,[4] the Southern region of the United States includes sixteen states and the District of Columbia (with a total 2006 estimated population of 109,083,752.) Thirty-six percent of all U.S. residents lived in the South, the nation's most populous region. The Census Bureau defined three smaller units, or divisions:

* The South Atlantic States: Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Washington, D.C., and Delaware
* The East South Central States: Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee
* The West South Central States: Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas
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* The Old South: usually the original Southern colonies: Virginia, Delaware, Maryland, Georgia, North Carolina, and South Carolina.[5]
* The New South: usually including the South Atlantic States.
* The Solid South: region controlled by the U.S. Democratic Party from 1877 to 1964. Includes at least all the 11 former Confederate States.
* Southern Appalachia: Cumberland Plateau of Kentucky and Tennessee, Western North Carolina, Western Maryland, West Virginia, the Shenandoah Valley and Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia, and northeast Georgia.
* Southeastern United States: usually including the Carolinas, Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida
* The Deep South: various definitions, usually including Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, and South Carolina. Occasionally, parts of adjoining states are included (sections of East Texas, delta areas of Arkansas and Tennessee, and the Florida panhandle).
* The Gulf South: various definitions, usually including Gulf coasts of Florida, Louisiana, Mississippi, Texas and Alabama.
* The Upper South: Kentucky, Virginia, West Virginia, Tennessee, and North Carolina.[6]
* Dixie: various definitions, but most commonly associated with the 11 states of the Old Confederacy.
* The Mid-South: also known as the South Central United States.
* Border South: Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Maryland, Delaware were the states that did not secede from the United States to join the Confederacy.
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The size and cultural distinctiveness of Texas prohibit easy categorization of the entire state in any recognized region. Geographic, economic, and cultural diversity among regions of the state preclude treating Texas as a region in its own right. The larger cities of Texas with their burgeoning knowledge economies have attracted migrants from other regions of the United States and immigrants from Latin America and Asia. However, partly due to its membership in the Confederacy, it is usually considered a Southern state rather than a Western one. Also, linguistic maps of Texas place most of the state within the spheres of upper, mid and gulf Southern dialects, helping to further identify the state as being Southern (use of Southern colloquialisms such as y'all is still very much widespread in Texas). Further, it should be noted that more than 86% of Texans identify themselves as living in the South.[46]
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Ah, yes. Thank you for your efforts, Hatuey.
But it's not like anyone was listening to his inane prattlings, in any event.
As far as I know, there's no one on this forum or in the entire world who doesn't think Texas is "the South", by any definition.

I do think we should get back on topic now, though.
 
1069 said:
Ah, yes. Thank you for your efforts, Hatuey.
But it's not like anyone was listening to his inane prattlings, in any event.
As far as I know, there's no one on this forum or in the entire world who doesn't think Texas is "the South", by any definition.

I do think we should get back on topic now, though.
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It's like Californians to some extent. We're hard to pin down cause depending on where your go people can range from rednecks to yuppies to hippies. Socal is nothing like the north in my experience. The further you go up north the more Canadian people seem. It's true.
 
sazerac said:
A lot of yankees have never even met a black person.
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Really? You know this how? What are you basing your "opinion" on exactly?

I live in one of the most diverse cities in America, New York and while it is nowhere near perfect by any measurement I can confidently state that for the most part people of all races, colors and religions habitate together with ease.
 
Family Guy said:
Really? You know this how? What are you basing your "opinion" on exactly?

I live in one of the most diverse cities in America, New York and while it is nowhere near perfect by any measurement I can confidently state that for the most part people of all races, colors and religions habitate together with ease.
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Go on with your bad self.
You know perfectly well you've never met a black person.
You're not fooling anyone.

:lol:
 
I live in the North and I've never met a black person.
 
Moderator's Warning:
I hate it when I fall asleep at work. :doh I was making a pre-emptive strike as I saw two posters starting to get heated. Thank you, Hatuey for getting things back on topic.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Moderator's Warning:
I hate it when I fall asleep at work. :doh I was making a pre-emptive strike as I saw two posters starting to get heated. Thank you, Hatuey for getting things back on topic.
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No problem, Cap'n. I ran em both off for you. Jallman and Ethereal.
It's all in a day's work.
Hope you had a good nap. :)
 
1069 said:
No problem, Cap'n. I ran em both off for you. Jallman and Ethereal.
It's all in a day's work.
Hope you had a good nap. :)
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No, you didn't. Much to your chagrin, I am still here. Sorry you epically failed.
 
Hatuey said:
Not sure what you're getting at but are saying as in 'the whole South'? I agree. As far as Texas having a little of everything the South it is true. Apparently moreso then any other state.

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Yes, I read the Wiki article, too. However, Texas is not part of what we traditionally think of as "the South". Being part of the Confederacy merely makes it part of the Confederacy. Not part of "the South".
 
jallman said:
Yes, I read the Wiki article, too. However, Texas is not part of what we traditionally think of as "the South". Being part of the Confederacy merely makes it part of the Confederacy. Not part of "the South".
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Who's "we"?
You and Sarah palin?

/ smirk.
 
jallman said:
Yes, I read the Wiki article, too. However, Texas is not part of what we traditionally think of as "the South". Being part of the Confederacy merely makes it part of the Confederacy. Not part of "the South".
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I don't think of people living outside of Texas could tell what Texas is and isn't anymore then you could have told what San Fran was like before you actually lived in it. I didn't know what the East Coast was like before I moved here and I thought they were all snobby people. Found out they weren't.
 
Words only have the power you give them.

The word Nigger did not start off meaning anything about black people. It was applied and stuck. And to this day alot of Black Americans claim the word as their own as well as a racial slur towards them.

Let it go. Put the word back into the dictionary where it belongs.

Same with pretty much every word we can think of imo.. they're all just a series of grunts and whistles not to be taken as anything more than you believe. And if you believe a word is truely hurtful then... get help or just plain calm the **** down.
 
From what I've read on Texas, back before the Civil War, though regionally and culturally, it was more like the south, economically and industrially, it was more tied to the north. What does this make it?
 
1069 said:
No problem, Cap'n. I ran em both off for you. Jallman and Ethereal.
It's all in a day's work.
Hope you had a good nap. :)
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I hate napping at work if it is not my intention...which it wasn't. I could be home right now. :doh Which is where I'm going to head, now. :)
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
From what I've read on Texas, back before the Civil War, though regionally and culturally, it was more like the south, economically and industrially, it was more tied to the north. What does this make it?
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I dunno.
I didn't know there was ever much industry here. :confused:
Like what kind of industry?
Just before the civil war, my family owned... well, basically most of San Patricio County, which is pretty close to the border of mexico, I think. In South Texas. I haven't been there since I was little. It's not too far from Corpus Christi, I know that, because whenever we went down there we'd go to Corpus and go to the beach.
What they did in San Patricio County was, they grew cotton. It's good cotton land. It's still all planted in cotton.
And here in Travis County, well, it's not good land for cotton, it's too rocky. But up here, they had a giant cattle ranch. And I'm not sure if they grew anything; I assume they grew their own food, at least. They might have grown a lot of stuff, but there's no way of knowing now. The entire property is grown over with cedar now. There's an old pecan orchard here that still produces. The land really is too rocky for most crops to thrive.

So, that's what my family did. It was all pretty agricultural.

I have not heard about any other industry in Texas at that time. The oil boom was not until the early part of the 20th century, I don't think.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
From what I've read on Texas, back before the Civil War, though regionally and culturally, it was more like the south, economically and industrially, it was more tied to the north. What does this make it?
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Southern. The main distinctions people make between the North and South are cultural and regional. Economical and industrial too but to a lesser extent. When I think of the differences between Mississippi and NY, I don't think about what drives the economy of each one. I think of things like difference in how each speak, cooking & music. Though there are probably similarities they would not be the same for the most part. Talk to people from across the musical spectrum and they'll tell you that Texas is about as southern as it gets when it comes to Rock, Jazz or Blues. Talk to people about cooking and they'll say the same. Anybody who's worked for advertising companies will tell you that when people say 'Southwest' before a product they're usually talking about Texas. Look at Airlines like 'Southwest' they're based in 'gasp' DALLAS, TEXAS!

I think Jallman is empirically wrong on what Texas is and isn't.
 
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CaptainCourtesy said:
From what I've read on Texas, back before the Civil War, though regionally and culturally, it was more like the south, economically and industrially, it was more tied to the north. What does this make it?
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When you travel through texas you see the difference between Texas and the South as starkly as you see the differences between night and day. Culinary differences stand out blatantly (the difference between texas and southern barbecue come to mind immediately). The dialect is different (the texas twang versus the southern drawl) and the cultural differences can't be overlooked. You also see differences in architecture, home decor, attitude, and even the agriculture.

Texas is not considered part of "the South". If anything, it's closer to a southwestern Geogia O'Keefe nightmare.
 
No problem, Cap'n. I ran em both off for you. Jallman and Ethereal.
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Yea, I also heard Hungary defeated America and Great Britain in WWII.
 
Ethereal said:
Yea, I also heard Hungary defeated America and Great Britain in WWII.
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You know you're still the most beloved gay icon on this forum, right? Yeah, you know it. Even if you aren't a homo, you love it.

Hi Ethereal. :mrgreen:
 
EgoffTib said:
Have you ever been to "the North"? What part of the geographical United States does that term even encompass?
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Yes, I spent a lot of time in Boston. First of all, I would bet those suburban kids in Quincy and Weymouth and Braintree don't know any black people. I bet they have never even met a black person. I bet they would start touching a black person's hair if they ever met one.

The most violent anti-busing demonstrations in America were not in Birmingham or Biloxi but Boston.

All the blacks were clumped into one part of town. I couldn't believe the segregation like that.

To me, the North is New England and New York. Liberal blue states that want nothing to do with black people.
 
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