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Would you support this minium wage?

Do you like this minimum wage plan of mine?

  • yes

    Votes: 5 10.4%

  • yes but without the age limits

    Votes: 3 6.3%

  • no, go with universal $15 an hour

    Votes: 12 25.0%

  • no, stick with current minimum wage

    Votes: 7 14.6%

  • no, lower or abolish the minimum wage

    Votes: 17 35.4%

  • not sure

    Votes: 4 8.3%
  • Total voters
    48
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Masterhawk

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By now, you have heard about the fight for 15. The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.

My proposal is that the minimum wage should differ based on cost of living within a given metro. However much money it takes to meet all essentials in a metropolitan area while working 8 hours a day and 261 days (the number of work days in a year) a year will be the minimum wage. In some places like NYC, the minimum will likely be above Sander's proposed $15 wage. In lower costing cities like Houston or in the small towns, the minimum wage will likely be much lower. This wage will apply to anyone 18/21/25 or older because those below that age can be presumed to be living with their parents and thus do not need a living wage. It will be adjusted on an annual basis.

The advantage of such a system is that it will always keep up with the cost of living. It may also incentivize municipalities to find ways to lower cost of living as businesses lobby them to do so.
 
So everyone who lives in New Your City would have to stay there until they retire because they know moving almost anywhere else would guarantee a pay cut.
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, you have heard about the fight for 15. The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.

My proposal is that the minimum wage should differ based on cost of living within a given metro. However much money it takes to meet all essentials in a metropolitan area while working 8 hours a day and 261 days (the number of work days in a year) a year will be the minimum wage. In some places like NYC, the minimum will likely be above Sander's proposed $15 wage. In lower costing cities like Houston or in the small towns, the minimum wage will likely be much lower. This wage will apply to anyone 18/21/25 or older because those below that age can be presumed to be living with their parents and thus do not need a living wage. It will be adjusted on an annual basis.

The advantage of such a system is that it will always keep up with the cost of living. It may also incentivize municipalities to find ways to lower cost of living as businesses lobby them to do so.
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Sounds right to me but who is going to define "cost of living within a given metro". This leaves a lot to interpretation considering which party is in control. Watch debate on this subject. It can be enlightening.

You know the ruling elite will be against anything that cuts into their profits. Their propaganda is very effective. That propaganda machine has a huge following in America's working class.
 
The cost of living depends on way more than where you live. Republican propaganda hides the facts about this from voters.

1. Do you own or rent your current home?
2. If you drive, do you own or lease a car?
3. How many medications are you taking?
4. Are you living with any other humans?
5. Can you use any public transportation?

People can talk all day about the "cost of living" being whatever the government says it is, but there are too many variables to put a number on it for anyone.
 
Blue Donkey said:
So everyone who lives in New Your City would have to stay there until they retire because they know moving almost anywhere else would guarantee a pay cut.
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but you might get to take home more money, because expenses are less.
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, you have heard about the fight for 15. The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.

My proposal is that the minimum wage should differ based on cost of living within a given metro. However much money it takes to meet all essentials in a metropolitan area while working 8 hours a day and 261 days (the number of work days in a year) a year will be the minimum wage. In some places like NYC, the minimum will likely be above Sander's proposed $15 wage. In lower costing cities like Houston or in the small towns, the minimum wage will likely be much lower. This wage will apply to anyone 18/21/25 or older because those below that age can be presumed to be living with their parents and thus do not need a living wage. It will be adjusted on an annual basis.

The advantage of such a system is that it will always keep up with the cost of living. It may also incentivize municipalities to find ways to lower cost of living as businesses lobby them to do so.
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No. Don't lower the minimum wage. Dump the minimum wage. In fact, tell the government...at every level...to keep their meddling nose out of stuff that doesn't concern them.

A wage...any wage...is part of an agreement between two or more parties. One party agrees to perform a defined service and the other party agrees to provide a wage. No government should have the right to tell either party that they must perform a particular service or provide a particular wage.
 
Incorporating cost of living into the minimum wage is important and would be a good idea. This should be reevaluated each year and changed accordingly. A universal 15 dollars an hour helps unevenly and is likely to not be changed for many years.

The age requirement needs to be removed. You can not assume every 18 year old who has loving parents wealthy enough to support them and offer them a place to live. I left home at 17 to make my own way in life.
 
Mycroft said:
No. Don't lower the minimum wage. Dump the minimum wage. In fact, tell the government...at every level...to keep their meddling nose out of stuff that doesn't concern them.

A wage...any wage...is part of an agreement between two or more parties. One party agrees to perform a defined service and the other party agrees to provide a wage. No government should have the right to tell either party that they must perform a particular service or provide a particular wage.
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no thanks id like to be able to work 40 hours a week and live above subsistence

even if you want to save more money for yourself on labor to maximize your own gain
 
blarg said:
no thanks id like to be able to work 40 hours a week and live above subsistence
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You don't need the government to make that happen.
 
Mycroft said:
You don't need the government to make that happen.
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i might if no one wants to pay me that much for what ever i can do
 
DarkWizard12 said:
but you might get to take home more money, because expenses are less.
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How many people want to earn just enough money to live paycheck to paycheck? They don't take home more money and save it.
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, you have heard about the fight for 15. The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.

My proposal is that the minimum wage should differ based on cost of living within a given metro. However much money it takes to meet all essentials in a metropolitan area while working 8 hours a day and 261 days (the number of work days in a year) a year will be the minimum wage. In some places like NYC, the minimum will likely be above Sander's proposed $15 wage. In lower costing cities like Houston or in the small towns, the minimum wage will likely be much lower. This wage will apply to anyone 18/21/25 or older because those below that age can be presumed to be living with their parents and thus do not need a living wage. It will be adjusted on an annual basis.

The advantage of such a system is that it will always keep up with the cost of living. It may also incentivize municipalities to find ways to lower cost of living as businesses lobby them to do so.
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I do not support your idea, nor do I support the polling options.

The primary reason is your plan would cause an even bigger economic distortion, and in some regards we are already seeing why with certain cities going after minimum wage increases on their own with outlying areas not going along with it.

The underline reason is the absence of economic reasoning, it is a practical impossibility to alter one area of economics and expect others to remain constant. That is thinking in political terms and goes a long way in explaining why the concept of 'minimum wage' (or 'living wage') has never kept up with current social or economic conditions.
 
The concept of "locality pay" is usually tied to the workplace location which may (or may not) be where a given employee lives (thus many commute).

Adding legalized age discrimination is a bad idea.

Keep in mind that less than 3% of the workforce is now paid MW and that compensation includes not only taxable income - it also includes non-taxable "fringe" benefits like the use of company vehicles and medical care insurance.

Ones's "cost of living" varies considerably depending on whether they rent or "own" their residence, how many workers (and non-workers) are in that household and commuting costs.

Since state/local governments can establish 'alternate' MW amounts (which exceed the federal MW) this is already possible.
 
Blue Donkey said:
The cost of living depends on way more than where you live. Republican propaganda hides the facts about this from voters.

1. Do you own or rent your current home?
2. If you drive, do you own or lease a car?
3. How many medications are you taking?
4. Are you living with any other humans?
5. Can you use any public transportation?

People can talk all day about the "cost of living" being whatever the government says it is, but there are too many variables to put a number on it for anyone.
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Yep. I agree. Also, just because one lives in an certain city does not mean that many purchases are much cheaper or much higher. Cars, appliances, TV's, Computers, cameras and many other everyday things are fairly close to the same price...via the internet. As you say...too many variables. On Edit: Besides who in-the-hell wants to live in Hogsville, Georgia just because your rent is cheaper. :)
 
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Masterhawk said:
By now, you have heard about the fight for 15. The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.

My proposal is that the minimum wage should differ based on cost of living within a given metro. However much money it takes to meet all essentials in a metropolitan area while working 8 hours a day and 261 days (the number of work days in a year) a year will be the minimum wage. In some places like NYC, the minimum will likely be above Sander's proposed $15 wage. In lower costing cities like Houston or in the small towns, the minimum wage will likely be much lower. This wage will apply to anyone 18/21/25 or older because those below that age can be presumed to be living with their parents and thus do not need a living wage. It will be adjusted on an annual basis.

The advantage of such a system is that it will always keep up with the cost of living. It may also incentivize municipalities to find ways to lower cost of living as businesses lobby them to do so.
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One reason for a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage is that social services cost the equivalent to fourteen dollars an hour. It is a rational choice to work for fifteen dollars an hour. Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed means wages will have an upward pressure to beat inflation via "free market activity".
 
Every proponent of minimum wage hikes has to answer the following question first....

What do you do with each of the following personnel in a fictitious company?


Janitor/cleaner now @ $ 9.50 hr been on job 2 years
operator/receptionist now @ $ 10.00 hr
Basic accts payable now @ $ 13.00 hr
Basic payroll/hr now @ $ 14.00 hr
basic GL acct now @ 16.00 hr
office manager now @ 21.00 hr

so if the base wage goes to $ 15.00 hr, what do you do with the rest of the 6 man small office

I need to know what wages those people will now be getting if the janitor is set to $ 15.00 an hour
 
blarg said:
i might if no one wants to pay me that much for what ever i can do
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If nobody will pay you what you want for what you can do, then you should find something to do that they WILL pay you what you want.

Don't depend on the government to make them pay you for work you can't do.
 
Blue Donkey said:
Show me employers who paid all of their workers living wages before minimum wage laws existed.
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Employers are not responsible for paying you a living wage. They are responsible for paying you a wage worth whatever you are able to do.
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, you have heard about the fight for 15. The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.

My proposal is that the minimum wage should differ based on cost of living within a given metro. However much money it takes to meet all essentials in a metropolitan area while working 8 hours a day and 261 days (the number of work days in a year) a year will be the minimum wage. In some places like NYC, the minimum will likely be above Sander's proposed $15 wage. In lower costing cities like Houston or in the small towns, the minimum wage will likely be much lower. This wage will apply to anyone 18/21/25 or older because those below that age can be presumed to be living with their parents and thus do not need a living wage. It will be adjusted on an annual basis.

The advantage of such a system is that it will always keep up with the cost of living. It may also incentivize municipalities to find ways to lower cost of living as businesses lobby them to do so.
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The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.
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And raising it to $15 is not enough to live on your own because you can still qualify for all the many various forms of welfare

Yep
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, you have heard about the fight for 15. The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.

My proposal is that the minimum wage should differ based on cost of living within a given metro. However much money it takes to meet all essentials in a metropolitan area while working 8 hours a day and 261 days (the number of work days in a year) a year will be the minimum wage. In some places like NYC, the minimum will likely be above Sander's proposed $15 wage. In lower costing cities like Houston or in the small towns, the minimum wage will likely be much lower. This wage will apply to anyone 18/21/25 or older because those below that age can be presumed to be living with their parents and thus do not need a living wage. It will be adjusted on an annual basis.

The advantage of such a system is that it will always keep up with the cost of living. It may also incentivize municipalities to find ways to lower cost of living as businesses lobby them to do so.
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Is it fair that people even be required to work? What about people that simply haven't been born with the requisite skills to handle the emotional and empathic requirements of keeping a job? These people are, by definition, disabled and victims of the society that abandoned them so why should we impose the additional trauma and violence of labor on them as a requirement to simply live? Wouldn't it be better if we simply provided housing, food, clothing, medical care, WiFi, creative media and mental health support services to everyone in the community?
 
Masterhawk said:
By now, you have heard about the fight for 15. The argument is that the current minimum wage is not sufficient to live on one's own.

My proposal is that the minimum wage should differ based on cost of living within a given metro. However much money it takes to meet all essentials in a metropolitan area while working 8 hours a day and 261 days (the number of work days in a year) a year will be the minimum wage. In some places like NYC, the minimum will likely be above Sander's proposed $15 wage. In lower costing cities like Houston or in the small towns, the minimum wage will likely be much lower. This wage will apply to anyone 18/21/25 or older because those below that age can be presumed to be living with their parents and thus do not need a living wage. It will be adjusted on an annual basis.

The advantage of such a system is that it will always keep up with the cost of living. It may also incentivize municipalities to find ways to lower cost of living as businesses lobby them to do so.
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I do think part of your poll question makes more sense than the Sanders proposal. That is, adjusting the wage based on cost of living for the area.

Where I disagree,I feel you have set the bar to low for number of hours worked. If you had raised the number of hours worked to lets say 2,000 per year I might have signed on.
 
Mycroft said:
If nobody will pay you what you want for what you can do, then you should find something to do that they WILL pay you what you want.

Don't depend on the government to make them pay you for work you can't do.
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no rather work with other people to ensure employers pay you enough to live above substance with 40 hours of work
 
Mycroft said:
Employers are not responsible for paying you a living wage. They are responsible for paying you a wage worth whatever you are able to do.
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then **** them take them for all you can any way you can its what they do
 
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