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Would the world have been better if the U.S.S.R still existed?

would the world have been better off if the U.S.S.R still existed?

  • Yes- Absolutely

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • Yes- Probably

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maybe/It Depends

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • No- Probably Not

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • No- Absolutely Not

    Votes: 15 83.3%
  • Don't Know/Not Sure

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .

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On December 25th 1991 Mikhail Gorbachev resigned as President of the Soviet Union handing all his powers, including the nuclear launch codes, to Boris Yeltsin as the first President of the Russian Federation. The flag of the Soviet Union was then lowered over the Kremlin that evening to be replaced by the Russian tricolour flag. The following day, the Supreme Soviet recognised the independence of the former Soviet Republics, formerly dissolved in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or U.S.S.R.

We have lived since then in a world largely dominated by the United States as the only major super-power. This has also expressed itself in near universal support for liberalism, which Francis Fukuyama described as "not just ... the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: That is, the end-point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government."

As we enter the second decade of the twenty-first century, do you believe that we would have been better off if the Soviet Union had survived to the present day? Would the world have been better off with a continuing economic, political and ideological challenger to the United States, to liberal democracy and capitalism? Or would the world have been more dangerous as a result, arguably continuing the Cold War?

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Hmm... does China not qualify as a superpower?
 
It didn't in 1991, but things have certainly turned round quite a bit for China since then.

OK, but would having the USSR maintain its superpower status have helped or hindered China's rise in status?
 
OK, but would having the USSR maintain its superpower status have helped or hindered China's rise in status?

It would depend on how the Sino-Soviet conflict would have panned out. When Khrushchev denounced Stalin in 1956, China tried to defend Stalin's legacy and that caused a major split between the two countries over ideological issues. If Gorbachev's reforms had been successful, the U.S.S.R would have denounced Stalin and China would have denounced Mao (to a point) because they did their market reforms with Deng Xio Peng in 1979.

So it's possible they would have been allies, which would have probably helped China. The Russian economy may not have collapsed due to the "shock therapy" market reforms in the 1990's, so perhaps China would have had a stronger trading partner if the U.S.S.R continued to exist.
 
The collapse of the USSR vis a vis the US probably saved it from a bloody civil war. The only question is which of the two fates awaits China.
 
The collapse of the USSR vis a vis the US probably saved it from a bloody civil war. The only question is which of the two fates awaits China.

There was a real danger that any civil war in the former U.S.S.R, say between the 15 member nations fighting for independence, could well have used nuclear weapons. So the peaceful dissolution of the Soviet Union may well have prevented, not just a civil war, but a nuclear one too.
 
It didn't in 1991, but things have certainly turned round quite a bit for China since then.

Indeed. China's strategic nuclear missile program dramatically improved shortly after Clinton's reelection in 1996. Right about the same time Clinton was receiving millions in campaign contributions from Chinese national Yah-Lin "Charlie" Trie. Within a year of Clinton's reelection there were numerous security violations and breaches at Los Alamos extending through Clinton's entire second term.

1998 Report Told of Lab Breaches and China Threat
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/april99/spying29.htm
New Security Breaches At Los Alamos - CBS News
 
The USSR still does exist but it is now made up of fewer countries and is called the Russian Federation.

The General Secretary is currently Vladimir Putin. He just requested that the law be changed so that he can rule until 2036, when he will be 84 years old. His current term ends in 2024.
 
There was a real danger that any civil war in the former U.S.S.R, say between the 15 member nations fighting for independence, could well have used nuclear weapons. So the peaceful dissolution of the Soviet Union may well have prevented, not just a civil war, but a nuclear one too.

Peaceful dissolutions are always better than violent ones no matter what the reason is for new borders to be drawn on maps. There was just one problem: Russia refused to acceplt the soveregnty of Georgia and Ukraine forever, invading provinces in both to annex a little land from that no longer belonged to it. The peace no longer exists in southeastern Europe. No wonder Ukraine desperately needed to spend $391 buillion for military aid from the United States five years after losing Crimea.
 
Germany would still be cut in half.


Poland would be under the Soviet system and going nowhere.



I can't think of any positives in reviving the USSR.
 
The USSR still does exist but it is now made up of fewer countries and is called the Russian Federation.

The General Secretary is currently Vladimir Putin. He just requested that the law be changed so that he can rule until 2036, when he will be 84 years old. His current term ends in 2024.

No, it does not still exist. Everything completely changed except the capital city and provincial borders.
 
There was a real danger that any civil war in the former U.S.S.R, say between the 15 member nations fighting for independence, could well have used nuclear weapons. So the peaceful dissolution of the Soviet Union may well have prevented, not just a civil war, but a nuclear one too.

Part of the reason I think George H.W. Bush is so underrated as POTUS because he was smart enough just to let that unfold without seeing it as a chance to assert US presence immediately against the ruins.
 
On December 25th 1991 Mikhail Gorbachev resigned as President of the Soviet Union handing all his powers, including the nuclear launch codes, to Boris Yeltsin as the first President of the Russian Federation. The flag of the Soviet Union was then lowered over the Kremlin that evening to be replaced by the Russian tricolour flag. The following day, the Supreme Soviet recognised the independence of the former Soviet Republics, formerly dissolved in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or U.S.S.R.

We have lived since then in a world largely dominated by the United States as the only major super-power. This has also expressed itself in near universal support for liberalism, which Francis Fukuyama described as "not just ... the passing of a particular period of post-war history, but the end of history as such: That is, the end-point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universalization of Western liberal democracy as the final form of human government."

As we enter the second decade of the twenty-first century, do you believe that we would have been better off if the Soviet Union had survived to the present day? Would the world have been better off with a continuing economic, political and ideological challenger to the United States, to liberal democracy and capitalism? Or would the world have been more dangerous as a result, arguably continuing the Cold War?

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If America had continued to have a major global competitor, it probably wouldn't be going to the dogs so quickly. So the continued existence of the Soviet Union would be good for us.

It wouldn't be so good for the people living under its yoke, of course.
 

YES!
Absolutely.


The mess of a bunch of "republics" and associated corruption
is NOT preferable to the ole, USSR.



Moi




:2canadian
Russia's Polar Partner.
It isn't just "geography".
 
No, it does not still exist. Everything completely changed except the capital city and provincial borders.

From what I've read and have seen on TV documentaries, very little to nothing has changed since the Russian Federation was called the USSR (CCCP).

What has changed exactly?

- extreme poverty still exists
- they align their military with rogue states that are anti-USA
- still no electricity in certain rural areas
- no 100% free press, radio or TV

One thing that has certainly changed is the level of corruption. More and more politicians are getting more money than ever before.
 
From what I've read and have seen on TV documentaries, very little to nothing has changed since the Russian Federation was called the USSR (CCCP).

What has changed exactly?

- extreme poverty still exists
- they align their military with rogue states that are anti-USA
- still no electricity in certain rural areas
- no 100% free press, radio or TV

One thing that has certainly changed is the level of corruption. More and more politicians are getting more money than ever before.

I am talking about the government system, Constitutuion, national anthem, flag, name, and territory.
 
I am talking about the government system, Constitutuion, national anthem, flag, name, and territory.

Putin did have the USSR National Anthem played at a military function a few years ago; the constitution is simply something for Putin to change at a whim for his benefit (like the USSR did) and Putin now wants changed to keep him in power until at least 2036; the flag - would not surprise me to see communist red flags flying soon (hopefully lacking the hammer and sickle); territory - they've lost a few countries, but unless those now independent countries belong to NATO (and even then. . .), they very well may end up being part of a new USSR.

I do not know what will happen; you bring out some very good points.
 
Liberalism and democracy won. I missed that memo. I thought history was far from over. Right now liberalism and democracy dominate, sort of. There is nothing to indicate it will remain a dominant force. When TSHTF everyone might be looking for a "strong man" who can pull it all together. And then they won't care about democracy. Most systems carry within them the seeds of their own destruction. I'll bet most every empire thought they would last forever at some point.
 
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