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Is Trump a Racist?

Is Trump a Racist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 56 61.5%

  • No

    Votes: 32 35.2%

  • Other explain

    Votes: 3 3.3%
  • Total voters
    91
  • Poll closed .
Conaeolos said:
I would call unconscious racial bias, exactly that. So should you. It's not racism if it's not related to conscious choices. Anything else and your playing the Marxist game of "oppressed" and "oppressor". The world isn't made up like that. We are all bullies and we all get bullied. Some more, some less, but everyone at least a little in different contexts. You can not have both "equality of opportunity" and "equality of outcome". To have equal rules, you must have disparate outcomes. I don't feel tribed to my race, nor should you. If you do though, okay we're all different, that's still only a racial bias. The second though you take that racial bias, go around making laws, making life decisions, choose who you will and will not associate with based on race. That's when you cross into real racism. That's what we as a society should not tolerate.

I know who told you this crazy stuff. A believer in the debunked Marxist BS.
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Who told you this?
 
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Conaeolos said:
Everyone of those points is an accusation, nor do they add up to some damning evidence. I assume someone isn't racist unless proven otherwise, and the fact he doesn't watch his words to me is exactly the sign of a non-racist person. As far as I’ve seen, a racist person today either openly says it out loud, or speaks in the positive reverse-language most other people only use for the mentally challenged. I.e. Positive but condescending.

We live in a world where, people living in a segregated communities/jobs, know every dog-whistle, and support all sorts of racial laws yet are held up as some example of “tolerance” well a working class white father of black children (with no time for BS like learning dog-whistle’s for his real politics), get's call white supremist because he republican and is willing to make a offensive joke out loud like one does in the company of friends. Let’s not even get started with the nasty things openly spoken about any kind of racial minority republicans.

I would be far more suspicious of any politician that’s very careful with their words. We’re talking trump here – about as careful as an elephant in a china shop. I certainly understand if an organization like Trumps which is more brand than substance, defends against nasty accusations that could tarnish that brand (merit or not). Journalists, are just the modern-day gossips of courts from medieval times – more drama than substance. So show me the context before I assume. And, judges across this country have shown they care more about political than justice everyday, public and the less publicized. So what if he’s defends himself in the court of public opinion – that’s not racism.

So again, show me the claim not based in this neo-communist BS? Trump does all three things one would expect of an American who's over the whole racial supremacy BS: doesn’t obsess about race, he does business and lives with people of all types, and most important of all as president: he does not advocate nor move forward with making policies and laws based around race!!!
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:rofl
 
Conaeolos said:
The only way you think Trump is racist, is if you redefine "Racist" to refer to some weird Neo-communist idea where races (as replaced with the traditional worker) should have equality of outcome achieved through overt systemic racism yet again justified by their same old communist illusionary oppressor narrative. To myself who understands racism, as a characteristic of someone who has a lens of the the world based in race, thus making conscious choices to l avoid or treat someone differently based on assumptions and stereotype, positive or negative, rather than the content of their character or as they would anyone. Generally, if you can joke about race, interact with people of different races on a regular basis without it turning violent and hold race should never be a legal concept, except perhaps as a remedy for those who still try to make racial laws. By my understanding, trump doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Alas its 2020, and such based definitions seem to be going the way of the dodo.
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Only the left looks at EVERY issue through the prism of race. They use it not only to make policy but to judge others who may disagree that their policy prescriptions are good and productive ideas. They seem to automatically take a jaundiced view of white conservatives without any basis upon which to do so. That makes THEM racist, not Trump.
 
Soon outtakes from the Apprentice will be released. It's going to happen. Y'all bookmark this thread. Trumpublicans here on the thread will be eating ass loads of crow in the near future.
 
What if 90percentbof Americans are racist....as defined as

Preferring their own race

If that's the definition, virtually everyone is racist
 
Rogue Valley said:
Yes, Trump is a racist. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck etc.

Easily our most bigoted president since Woodrow Wilson.
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Criminal justice reform....Obama? No, Trump

Opportunity zones...Obama? No, Trump

Record aid to historically black colleges...Obama? No, Trump

Record black employment pre-pandemic...Obama? No, Trump.

Built so called "cages" in which to hold immigrants. Trump? No, Obama.


The idea that Trump is overtly, or even covertly racist, is just another of the left's big lies. They have no interest in keeping out illegal immigrants and so call anyone who supports immigration law, "racist". Same for anyone who recognizes from whence most international terrorism springs.
 
veritas1 said:
Only the left looks at EVERY issue through the prism of race. They use it not only to make policy but to judge others who may disagree that their policy prescriptions are good and productive ideas. They seem to automatically take a jaundiced view of white conservatives without any basis upon which to do so. That makes THEM racist, not Trump.
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Stephen Miller promoted racist websites
Miller does not deny it nor does he disavow it
Trump keeps Miller around

Why?

Why does a non-racist president keep a supremacist propaganda propagator in the White House?

Why does a non-racist president keep having "accidents" where he retweets racist crap?

At some point, you have to acknowledge at least that it's rational to think someone who does these sorts of things could be racist.

If you're unable to even see how these things could be seen as racist, you're experiencing cognitive dissonance.
 
iguanaman said:
LOL The first thing he did when he came down that escalator was obsess about race. I'm afraid you know that all too well.
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So 12-30 million second class citizens in our country, a shared border with a country importing drugs, heavily influenced by violent gangs, with a thriving industry importing our underground less protected labor class(including child-traffic and high rates of rape) all of which both political party establishments were happy to ignore as it benefits their corporate or political interests. That's not what he was talking about addressing. It was the race of the "immigrates" like his wife. :roll:

Again, you see dog whistles because you see with a racial lens or are giving time to those who do. For many of the rest of us working class and entrepreneurial Americans too busy to think in reverse-speak, what he said is exactly what he meant: open boarders is a major problem in America. It was certainly off my radar till people started discussing his speech. That was 100x more real than whatever the hell Jeb (the lead at the time as I remember) was blabbing on about. Let's not even get into the mess that was Hillary or let's hike everyone taxes to max Bernie. Why can't you just admit you don't like Trump because he's effective.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Stephen Miller promoted racist websites
Miller does not deny it nor does he disavow it
Trump keeps Miller around

Why?

Why does a non-racist president keep a supremacist propaganda propagator in the White House?

Why does a non-racist president keep having "accidents" where he retweets racist crap?

At some point, you have to acknowledge at least that it's rational to think someone who does these sorts of things could be racist.

If you're unable to even see how these things could be seen as racist, you're experiencing cognitive dissonance.
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Every Democrat paid court to Al Sharpton, a racist and anti-semite. Are all of them racist and anti-semitic? This is the same type of dot connecting the people attacking Trump are doing.
 
The question depends on your definition of "racist". If you are going by the current Democrat party liberal/progressive/socialist hate America crowd-- then yes Trump is a racist on their definition, and just because his skin is white and he has benefited from white privilege his entire life.

But if you go by the traditional definition of the term--- then NO he is not.
 
Of course not, but people who think that he is racist are easily misled fools or the deceitful scum playing the Pied Piper.
 
reflechissez said:
:rofl
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You can laugh at that all you want. Words reflect your thinking, if your consciously filtering them based on race, you really think your not thinking racially? Once you start thinking racially, it hardly becomes such as stretch as to act on it. Racists either watch their word and speak with condescension or they are openly racist.

OMG, though that dumb teen said the N-word. He must be racist. :roll: or he just listens to too much rap. Language policing is just more authoritarian drivel. Racists, aren't hiding their animus. They are overtly acting and speaking on their bias. And about the last people in the world who give a s*** about race, are the ones, comfortable enough that they aren't politicizing thoughts, words and associations. Unless the spiciness is an unprovoked obsession or like I said, all your associations/actions give another story....a racist joke or comment does not a racist make.
 
Conaeolos said:
Everyone of those points is an accusation, nor do they add up to some damning evidence. I assume someone isn't racist unless proven otherwise, and the fact he doesn't watch his words to me is exactly the sign of a non-racist person. As far as I’ve seen, a racist person today either openly says it out loud, or speaks in the positive reverse-language most other people only use for the mentally challenged. I.e. Positive but condescending.

We live in a world where, people living in a segregated communities/jobs, know every dog-whistle, and support all sorts of racial laws yet are held up as some example of “tolerance” well a working class white father of black children (with no time for BS like learning dog-whistle’s for his real politics), get's call white supremist because he republican and is willing to make a offensive joke out loud like one does in the company of friends. Let’s not even get started with the nasty things openly spoken about any kind of racial minority republicans.

I would be far more suspicious of any politician that’s very careful with their words. We’re talking trump here – about as careful as an elephant in a china shop. I certainly understand if an organization like Trumps which is more brand than substance, defends against nasty accusations that could tarnish that brand (merit or not). Journalists, are just the modern-day gossips of courts from medieval times – more drama than substance. So show me the context before I assume. And, judges across this country have shown they care more about political than justice everyday, public and the less publicized. So what if he’s defends himself in the court of public opinion – that’s not racism.

So again, show me the claim not based in this neo-communist BS? Trump does all three things one would expect of an American who's over the whole racial supremacy BS: doesn’t obsess about race, he does business and lives with people of all types, and most important of all as president: he does not advocate nor move forward with making policies and laws based around race!!!
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Trump is not fluent in English. Think about that. He is semi-literate. Often Trump has no idea what the hell he is saying. Trump is frequently unfamiliar with English words that we all know and understand. Have you heard him attempt to pronounce "totalitarianism"? He mangled the hell out it in South Dakota. He had obviously never heard or read the word before. Guess totalitarianism was never mentioned at Wharton.
 
veritas1 said:
Every Democrat paid court to Al Sharpton, a racist and anti-semite. Are all of them racist and anti-semitic? This is the same type of dot connecting the people attacking Trump are doing.
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If Al Sharpton worked at the White House, it'd be even more similar.

The dots Stephen Miller and Donald Trump are very close together whether anyone connects them or not.
They work in the same building where Donald is Stephen's boss.

If you watched the dots on a phone tracking app, they'd probably connect themselves from time to time.

Do you think Democrats are racists based at least in part on the case you're making?
 
Conaeolos said:
So 12-30 million second class citizens in our country, a shared border with a country importing drugs, heavily influenced by violent gangs, with a thriving industry importing our underground less protected labor class(including child-traffic and high rates of rape) all of which both political party establishments were happy to ignore as it benefits their corporate or political interests. That's not what he was talking about addressing. It was the race of the "immigrates" like his wife. :roll:

Again, you see dog whistles because you see with a racial lens or are giving time to those who do. For many of the rest of us working class and entrepreneurial Americans too busy to think in reverse-speak, what he said is exactly what he meant: open boarders is a major problem in America. It was certainly off my radar till people started discussing his speech. That was 100x more real than whatever the hell Jeb (the lead at the time as I remember) was blabbing on about. Let's not even get into the mess that was Hillary or let's hike everyone taxes to max Bernie. Why can't you just admit you don't like Trump because he's effective.
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Oh so now the fact that Trump has a mail order bride means he is not racist? He treats her like **** and cheated on her multiple times. Yes it is obvious the ***** grabber "respects" her like he "respects" all women.:lamo Not to mention that the undocumented have lower crime rates than american citizens but their brown skin makes them all rapists and murderers anyway.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
If Al Sharpton worked at the White House, it'd be even more similar.

The dots Stephen Miller and Donald Trump are very close together whether anyone connects them or not.
They work in the same building where Donald is Stephen's boss.

If you watched the dots on a phone tracking app, they'd probably connect themselves from time to time.

Do you think Democrats are racists based at least in part on the case you're making?
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I don't think they are racists by and large but they are race obsessed.
 
You have to remember that Trump was a New York democrat up until very recently.


He changed parties because he saw that going republican was a way to game getting into the White House and presidency.
 
noonereal said:
Only another racist would say no.
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Now that statement is dead on!

All those deplorables cheering Trump on are out of the closet racist!

Been there all along. Trump just brings them out into the sunlight for all to see!
 
Risky Thicket said:
Soon outtakes from the Apprentice will be released. It's going to happen. Y'all bookmark this thread. Trumpublicans here on the thread will be eating ass loads of crow in the near future.
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Nobody needed outtakes on Obama. He admitted to being mentored by a Communist and befriending domestic terrorists. But, hey, Trump said a naughty word or two.
 
rickc said:
Now that statement is dead on!

All those deplorables cheering Trump on are out of the closet racist!

Been there all along. Trump just brings them out into the sunlight for all to see!
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That's the default position of people out of ideas and afraid to defend the few they have.
 
swing_voter said:
I don't believe Trump is a racist.


Trump's base is made up of non-college white people who are afraid of blacks, and Trump panders to these people, so he appears a little racist.
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Correct, tho I don’t think his supporters are as afraid of blacks as he assumes them to be. It doesn’t matter whether Trump is racist. Who cares what he thinks? It’s his actions, from housing discrimination to the Central Park Five to his attacks on Mexican migrants as evil to his wanting to ban Muslims to his spreading false info on black on white homicide to his “there are Middle Easterners in the caravan” to his Third Reich phrase that immigrants will “infest” us to his comparing immigrants to poisonous snakes that betray his attempts to use race to create fear and resentment. Somehow he thinks bigotry is good for him. If I were one of his supporters, I would be angry that he thinks he has to appeal to the bigotry he sees in me. Trumps supporters are better than he is.
 
iguanaman said:
Oh so now the fact that Trump has a mail order bride means he is not racist?
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Melania, is an extremely smart, kind and was a millionaire before she met Trump. So not sure what the insults toward her are about. No, what makes you a racist or not is your actions and decisions as I've stated. It is far from the first time though, those who wish to besmirch a man's character, attack him for the very things he personifies in his choices.

He treats her like **** and cheated on her multiple times.
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Yeah, he presents that way to me too, but we can't really know. So that remains a matter between him and his wife.

Yes it is obvious the ***** grabber "respects" her like he "respects" all women.:lamo
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Again, putting comments over actions. That's just not a way to live. I'll tell you one women who comes off as hating woman - Hillary Clinton.

Not to mention that the undocumented have lower crime rates than american citizens but their brown skin makes them all rapists and murderers anyway.
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If I remember correctly the study you reference is about immigrants not illegals, but even if I am wrong, it wouldn't change the fact that the industry of 'illegal immigration' is what's at issue not the people. Most modern day slaves are tricked into slavery. Do I blame them for the evil practices of slave traders? No. And again, the border crossings are associated with more rape than not, so what the heck, we just going to turn a blind eye to this growing industry bringing rape, drugs, crime and fostering communities of second class citizens in violation of our founding principles. No one cares that these people have brown skin. The traffickers are criminals and this is their disgusting industry making them millions. I am sorry your too into, your imagining problems, to come together with us and end one of the worst, easily preventable atrocities in the nation.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Trump is not fluent in English. Think about that. He is semi-literate. Often Trump has no idea what the hell he is saying. Trump is frequently unfamiliar with English words that we all know and understand. Have you heard him attempt to pronounce "totalitarianism"? He mangled the hell out it in South Dakota. He had obviously never heard or read the word before. Guess totalitarianism was never mentioned at Wharton.
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He does speak very funny. I see a logic to it from NLP, in any case, how people on one had can think that's a sign of stupid on the other claim he secretly dog-whistling that's where this train loses me as having any glimmer of truth.
 
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