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Is China a bigger threat to our way of life than Russia?

Thoughts?

  • They are a massively bigger threat.

    Votes: 17 50.0%

  • They are a much bigger threat.

    Votes: 9 26.5%

  • They are a somewhat bigger threat.

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • They are not a bigger threat.

    Votes: 7 20.6%
  • Total voters
    34
Vadinho said:
China is about China. They have done terrible things to their own people, we have as well. To walk around fearful of them is to live a life of fear, I simply won't go there personally. I have been to China many times, they just want to make money, eat well and have the respect of the world. Get over it and move on.
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That has largely been my experience with Chinese citizens in the time of spent there over the years. They are literally the most welcoming people in the world to visitors. We have friends there that will not let me buy a meal for ourselves when we visit, despite us making much more money than they do. They even insist on washing our clothes for us when we visit, by hand. The only country that the Chinese people have a lot of deapseated animosity towards is Japan, and there is historically good reason for that.
 
Tangmo said:
You talked about fearing China which Trump does not do. We know Trump is transactional and that Beijing has had the benefit of it since Reagan pronounced big to be good, which meant abroad as well as at home. Indeed not only is Trump mostly silent on Reagan, Trump doesn't like Reagan much at all, on immigration especially where Reagan got burned for proposing his "amnesty." Trump though is known to make up Reagan quotes praising him. Nor do we hear Trump praising Reagan for busting the Russian Soviet Union. Trump fears Putin and for reasons we rightfully suspect. Neither of 'em liked Reagan who made his peace with China instead.
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???

Dude...nothing you have said here has anything to do with the post you are responding to.

Why are you wasting my time? (I don't care why you are wasting YOUR time. That's your choice.)

No matter.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
 
Mycroft said:
If you fear China, then you should be cheering Trump's actions regarding China. No other President has even tried to deal with China.
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You’re old enough to remember the Nixon Admistration?
 
Rexedgar said:
You’re old enough to remember the Nixon Admistration?
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I am. And you are right.

Nixon's actions opened the US up to everything that Trump is trying to correct now. Nixon should have kept China isolated.
 
Mycroft said:
I am. And you are right.

Nixon's actions opened the US up to everything that Trump is trying to correct now. Nixon should have kept China isolated.
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I disagree US greed got China started. When I was a boy “Made in Japan” was a mark of junk. When corporations found they could outsource the things US buys and cut their labor expenses significantly, that’s where they went. I used to see some of the things “Made in China” and wonder what the Chinese workers must think of us........
 
Rexedgar said:
I disagree US greed got China started. When I was a boy “Made in Japan” was a mark of junk. When corporations found they could outsource the things US buys and cut their labor expenses significantly, that’s where they went. I used to see some of the things “Made in China” and wonder what the Chinese workers must think of us........
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Nixon made that greed possible to satisfy.

Like I said...he should have kept China closed.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is all pure conjecture because you are assuming China will do something at some point in the future that it never has in all of its long history.
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I'm not assuming that they _will_ adopt an American style approach to force projection, I find that an eventual Chinese move towards such projection, should they become the dominant superpower, is A: likely if not inevitable, and B: a contingency we would be totally foolhardy not to prepare for. The times have changed, and the context and leadership completely different vis a vis historical China, so I don't believe that has any definitive bearing on what they would do as the dominant world superpower.

As stated, the greatest threat of all to Pax Americana, exceeding even their potential military might, is the Chinese economy and the overwhelming soft power that affords it to change the world in their favour, and often at our expense, and/or in ways that are antithetical to freedom and democracy worldwide. We should absolutely seek to curtail China's rise and preserve our dominance by all practical means given the intolerable, totalitarian character of their leaders and their regime, and their clear and overt willingness to undermine opposition globally via soft power and economic leverage to their stifling of freedoms and dissent.
 
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Mycroft said:
???

Dude...nothing you have said here has anything to do with the post you are responding to.

Why are you wasting my time? (I don't care why you are wasting YOUR time. That's your choice.)

No matter.

You are dismissed. (see my sig)
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While you make your own choices I couldn't help but notice that new limp you have as you were hobbling away.

I hope it gets better soon.

See you when you get back to before.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That has largely been my experience with Chinese citizens in the time of spent there over the years. They are literally the most welcoming people in the world to visitors. We have friends there that will not let me buy a meal for ourselves when we visit, despite us making much more money than they do. They even insist on washing our clothes for us when we visit, by hand. The only country that the Chinese people have a lot of deapseated animosity towards is Japan, and there is historically good reason for that.
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All around the world its never the people causing the problem. It is the greedy, power hungry leadership that is the problem.

China is a very old country. They plan a hundred years ahead. Unlike the wealthy american industrialist who are looking for immediate gratification.
 
rickc said:
All around the world its never the people causing the problem. It is the greedy, power hungry leadership that is the problem.

China is a very old country. They plan a hundred years ahead. Unlike the wealthy american industrialist who are looking for immediate gratification.
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I would say the cause is the US electoral system is the issue. An election every two years for congress, 4 years for president and 6 for senators, leads to short term thinking by the political leadership. Anything that does not pay off in 2 years is ignored as it won't help get reelected.

For the business world, quarterly reports are the issue as they drive short term thinking rather than long term planning. Which is why private business's are generally doing better
 
rickc said:
All around the world its never the people causing the problem. It is the greedy, power hungry leadership that is the problem.

China is a very old country. They plan a hundred years ahead. Unlike the wealthy american industrialist who are looking for immediate gratification.
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Often it actually is the people. You aren't going to find a lot of friendliness towards Americans from the average Iranian. The average Russian completely agrees with Putin's government in regard to their foreign policy. In contrast, among the Chinese, there is a lot of desire to become an economic superpower, but little desire in becoming a military superpower.
 
rickc said:
All around the world its never the people causing the problem. It is the greedy, power hungry leadership that is the problem.

China is a very old country. They plan a hundred years ahead. Unlike the wealthy american industrialist who are looking for immediate gratification.
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No matter how you slice it it's still baloney.

Every dynasty has failed over thousands of years. So I was waiting for someone to start the 'play the long game' tripe vs USA that's still playing checkers blurp blurp.

People who try to apologize for the endless failures of Chinese dynasties say China is still China which they seem not to realize means failure. Thinking a hundred years ahead doesn't matter when they don't think straight to begin with.

Chinese are ancient, ie, they hate democracy and they love authoritarian dictatorship. When the going gets tough Chinese give more power to the emperor who's mucking things up to begin with. Then they throw the bum out to start the same cycle again with a new emperor / dynasty. Rinse and repeat. The more things change in China the more they remain the same.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Often it actually is the people. You aren't going to find a lot of friendliness towards Americans from the average Iranian. The average Russian completely agrees with Putin's government in regard to their foreign policy. In contrast, among the Chinese, there is a lot of desire to become an economic superpower, but little desire in becoming a military superpower.
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There's a reason for that: Look at Chinese history to see the Chinese are abysmal at war.

Virtually everyone has walked all over 'em. The only people the Chinese will fight is each other cause they know how bad they are.

Chinese would lose to Rhode Island (but they'd whup Outer Mongolia). Chinese know it and they know it well -- and so do we. While the PLA Navy exceeds Japan in tonnage the Japan Navy continues to be considered the best in Asia.

CCP Dictator Tyrants don't invade Taiwan cause they don't know how. All Taiwan has to do anyway is to destroy 40% of the invading force to stop 'em and send 'em back, as Pentagon knows well. While one should never underestimate the enemy, I don't.
 
IMO Russia is still the bigger threat. It's a sick nation and sick nations often attempt to minimize their illness with external adventures. Putin's search to restore the Soviet Unions greatness, external adventures and a military that still has nuclear weapons to threaten with is a bad combination.
 
The Chinese government is trying to subvert our democracy in every way possible. They are bullies and cheaters in business. They have no concept of human rights. They have a future in mind for the entire planet you won't like.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That has largely been my experience with Chinese citizens in the time of spent there over the years. They are literally the most welcoming people in the world to visitors. We have friends there that will not let me buy a meal for ourselves when we visit, despite us making much more money than they do. They even insist on washing our clothes for us when we visit, by hand. The only country that the Chinese people have a lot of deapseated animosity towards is Japan, and there is historically good reason for that.
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I should have added become very well educated too, they are like the Indians in that regard and value education very highly.
 
Waddy said:
The Chinese government is trying to subvert our democracy in every way possible. They are bullies and cheaters in business. They have no concept of human rights. They have a future in mind for the entire planet you won't like.
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The GOP subverts democracy every day, in fact they hate it so much they refuse to change our system so that it is a democracy.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
You aren't going to find a lot of friendliness towards Americans from the average Iranian.
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You clearly haven't met a lot of Iranians. You shouldn't stereotype people you know nothing about.
 
dex4974 said:
Keep in mind China's best and brightest outnumber our entire population.
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Nothing is a bigger threat than Trumpism. Hence Russia who owns Trump is the bigger threat in the short term.


China is teh long term challenge.
 
noonereal said:
Nothing is a bigger threat than Trumpism. Hence Russia who owns Trump is the bigger threat in the short term.


China is teh long term challenge.
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Can you detail what exactly that threat is capable of?
 
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