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How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

How will gay marriage affect your marriage?

  • It wont

    Votes: 36 85.7%
  • It'll make me want to divorce my partner

    Votes: 6 14.3%

  • Total voters
    42
(¶ 136) You see, Sir, that in this enlightened age I am bold enough to confess that we are generally men of untaught feelings, that, instead of casting away all our old prejudices, we cherish them to a very considerable degree, and, to take more shame to ourselves, we cherish them because they are prejudices; and the longer they have lasted and the more generally they have prevailed, the more we cherish them. We are afraid to put men to live and trade each on his own private stock of reason, because we suspect that this stock in each man is small, and that the individuals would do better to avail themselves of the general bank and capital of nations and of ages. Many of our men of speculation, instead of exploding general prejudices, employ their sagacity to discover the latent wisdom which prevails in them. If they find what they seek, and they seldom fail, they think it more wise to continue the prejudice, with the reason involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice and to leave nothing but the naked reason; because prejudice, with its reason, has a motive to give action to that reason, and an affection which will give it permanence. Prejudice is of ready application in the emergency; it previously engages the mind in a steady course of wisdom and virtue and does not leave the man hesitating in the moment of decision sceptical, puzzled, and unresolved. Prejudice renders a man's virtue his habit, and not a series of unconnected acts. Through just prejudice, his duty becomes a part of his nature.
Edmund Burke.

That whole quote said nothing to me. It was a bunch of words. I think possibly it was saying there's wisdom in prejudice, but it failed to show the other side where there's stupidity, and a yearning to hold onto things that are unjust for the sake of tradition. Tradition in and of itself is many times just a bunch of crap that people have done for a very long time for no reason.

Forgive me if I do not share your confidence in your reason or your wish to rip apart society on your own trivial scheming.

Every now and then society needs a little shaking up, it keeps things more interesting. I don't see how gay marriage will rip society apart. Please explain.
 
That's not a theory, that's reality.

given that the word reality has been redefined by current primetime television, your premise is amost but not quite valid.:2razz:
 
given that the word reality has been redefined by current primetime television, your premise is amost but not quite valid.:2razz:

I was using that definition: Fake Drama from fake people, but they aren;t actors. Sums up Kayleigh to a T.
 
Bonnie1988 said:
In this, I then see the question as the exact opposite. "How would gay marriages positively affect my life?" If they won't, give me any reason to support gay marriage?

I'm not black, yet I support equality for everyone regardless of skin color.

I'm not female, yet I support equality for everyone regardless of gender.

I'm not gay, yet I support equality for everyone regardless of sexual orientation.

Seeing a pattern here? Our founding fathers were intelligent enough, even if the nation hasn't always been, to recognize that *EVERYONE* deserves equality. We have no room in this country for treating people who are different as second class citizens.
 
If America is such a free country, why is gay marriage even being questioned in some states? How does loving someone the same sex as you and marrying them render another heterosexual marriage invalid? Thats ridiculous. Love is love, love does not have a gender, and gay marriage is an absolute yes. Who is the government to say you cannot marry the one you love? That is not Democracy, and im outstanded at the fact that gay marriage is a no in California.

The real question is;

If we live in a free country why is the government interfering in marriage at all?
 
To claim that the endeavors of people that you do not know nor interact with in any way discloses a very high degree of insecurity.

If people believe that gay marriage compromises the legitimacy of marriage on religious grounds, then hardly anyone in a society that is so liberal about premarital and anal sex is married at all.
 
The real question is;

If we live in a free country why is the government interfering in marriage at all?

Because if the government states homosexual marriage is legal it will suddenly and miraculously be accepted by every person across the width and breadth of this nation.
 
The real question is;

If we live in a free country why is the government interfering in marriage at all?

What makes you think it's interfering at all? It's RELIGION that is interfering with marriage, not the government.
 
What makes you think it's interfering at all? It's RELIGION that is interfering with marriage, not the government.

Are you serious?
Did you miss the part where government is giving benefits based on a person's marital status which is a personal decision?
 
Are you serious?
Did you miss the part where government is giving benefits based on a person's marital status which is a personal decision?

Yes because married people tend to be better for the economy and the society. There is a higher likelihood of home ownership for married people, thus increasing the tax base and married people tend to have more disposable income, thus strengthening the economy. Married people also, at least traditionally, have tended to be more stable, building stronger communities. That's why the government gives them financial incentives to get married, because married people do more to financially strengthen the country.
 
That whole quote said nothing to me. It was a bunch of words. I think possibly it was saying there's wisdom in prejudice, but it failed to show the other side where there's stupidity, and a yearning to hold onto things that are unjust for the sake of tradition. Tradition in and of itself is many times just a bunch of crap that people have done for a very long time for no reason.
Of course it said little to you, you are a liberal they care only for their individual scheming.Tradition and habit are the wisdom of the ages, one or even a whole generation cannot comprehend the complexity of society and therefore should not presume to completely remake it. Even if a tradition seems completely stupid to you, you can't lnow exactly what its role in society is or what the effects of completely removing it quickly will do to other parts and traditions in society. Hence you should be cautious in such changes and not rely on your individual reason alone.

Amazingly you claim to be slightly conservative at yet you are arguing against one of the two or three key pillars of conservatism.
Every now and then society needs a little shaking up, it keeps things more interesting.
That is what the Jacobins and Bolsheviks thought.

I don't see how gay marriage will rip society apart. Please explain.
I don't think it will if treated with caution, I support it when the people want it. I'm just arguing against the world view and methods of some of its other supporters
 
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Of course allowing gays to marry won't have any effect on my marriage. It would, however, affect the society I live in because the last bastion of legalized descrimation and bigotry would have been leglislated away. The result? A better society.

I'm truly ashamed of my fellow California voters. :(

If gay marriage were born out of enlightenment instead of the moral immaturity of a declining society I might agree.
 
If gay marriage were born out of enlightenment instead of the moral immaturity of a declining society I might agree.

How do you know which one it is?
 
If gay marriage were born out of enlightenment instead of the moral immaturity of a declining society I might agree.

So you think that America is an immature and declining society? Why do you love the terrorists?
 
Yes because married people tend to be better for the economy and the society. There is a higher likelihood of home ownership for married people, thus increasing the tax base and married people tend to have more disposable income, thus strengthening the economy. Married people also, at least traditionally, have tended to be more stable, building stronger communities. That's why the government gives them financial incentives to get married, because married people do more to financially strengthen the country.

So you have changed your position from

"What makes you think government is interfering in marriage?"

to

"Government has a good reason to interfere in marriage."?

ok....
 
Of course allowing gays to marry won't have any effect on my marriage. It would, however, affect the society I live in because the last bastion of legalized descrimation and bigotry would have been leglislated away. The result? A better society.

I'm truly ashamed of my fellow California voters. :(

laughable. in fact, I'm laughing right now.
 
To claim that the endeavors of people that you do not know nor interact with in any way affects you to the point that you would change a big decision you've made in your life discloses a very high degree of insecurity.

If people believe that gay marriage compromises the legitimacy of marriage on religious grounds, then hardly anyone in a society that is so liberal about premarital and anal sex is married at all.
 
Dammit, I didn't mean to post that again, I meant to edit it.

Sorry...

...but anyway, you get the point. The fact is that marriage shouldn't be confined to any sort of relationship. It raises the question as to what is legitimate in a society that has abandoned most of these archaic restrictions.

Telling a gay couple that they can't get married by law is like telling a little boy that he isn't allowed to associate with girls because he was caught masturbating.
 
The fact is that marriage shouldn't be confined to any sort of relationship. It raises the question as to what is legitimate in a society that has abandoned most of these archaic restrictions.

so what you're saying is, there should be no restrictions whatsoever on an institution that gives fiscal benefits to people? that is a very expensive mentality, is it not? unless you are arguing for the discontinuation of state-sponsored unions altogether then I don't see how this could make any sense.
 
so what you're saying is, there should be no restrictions whatsoever on an institution that gives fiscal benefits to people? that is a very expensive mentality, is it not? unless you are arguing for the discontinuation of state-sponsored unions altogether then I don't see how this could make any sense.

I'm sorry, but where did you read that?

Anyway, "fiscal benefits" are 100% irrelevant to sexual orientation, wouldn't you say?
 
I'm sorry, but where did you read that?

couple inches north of here.

The fact is that marriage shouldn't be confined to any sort of relationship.

Anyway, "fiscal benefits" are 100% irrelevant to sexual orientation, wouldn't you say?

not at all. if marriage is going to be redefined to include everybody, as you suggested, fiscal benefits for marriage are going to need to be discussed.
 
so what you're saying is, there should be no restrictions whatsoever on an institution that gives fiscal benefits to people? that is a very expensive mentality, is it not? unless you are arguing for the discontinuation of state-sponsored unions altogether then I don't see how this could make any sense.

What does society gain from preventing gays from getting married?
 
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