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Is the virus thing overblown? A hoax?

Do u sometimes think the virus is a virtual hoax?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 8.3%
  • No

    Votes: 101 84.2%
  • You wonder..

    Votes: 3 2.5%
  • Seems like it

    Votes: 6 5.0%

  • Total voters
    120
  • Poll closed .
The logistics to reverse quarantine the 20%, or so, who are most susceptible to Covid would be done the same exact way as the lockdown for social distancing was done. State mandates would provide for this lockdown, too.

I've already mentioned two places where the reverse quarantined could go. Schools and cruise line ships.

Big bucks, yes, but not as big of bucks as was needed and lost during the social distancing lockdown.

And once again, you completely ignored this part of my post, which explains why SD at individual homes wont work:

Er....what happened to the logistics and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?? That was the main point...you ignored what I wrote except to come up with your own numbers of those that need to be quarantined ***along with their caregivers, med staff, cooks, launderers, janitors, etc)

Everyone not elderly or at-risk still needs to be out in the OPENED UP economy that you claim will be paralleling the 'quarantine.' They cannot have contact with those in lockdown/quarantine. So the quarantined STILL NEED that staffing and resources and isolation facilities....that's big bucks $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Good lord :doh​

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
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Brilliant!

You must have a Masters in a Public Health.

Works great - just look at how we controlled it quarantining in prisons and nursing homes. [emoji849]

He doesnt understand how Q works. Everyone is isolated together, sick and vulnerable and caretakers. No new people in because they can bring in the disease. And the vulnerable are in there and sort of 'written off,' they have to take their chances. They are cared for, isolated as much as possible, but still very vulnerable to infection.

Such Qs are generally to keep the infected/infection IN, but he's suggesting what he calls 'reverse Q,' which puts all the not yet sick but vulnerable people at even more risk than regular SD. That's what happened in the nursing homes, prisons. *sigh* He's been told this for months.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
"to give something' = "to provide" = "to confer"...you havent made any distinction at all.

And where's your source for the bold?

Not to mention if that's true, then immunity isnt "provided," "conferred," or "given," it's inherited :roll:

I'm not taking anything personally...I just find the depths of your repeated ignorance astounding. And no matter how many times the accurate info is provided (conferred, given)...you cannot absorb it. You are actively, willfully remaining in that state. I dont get it. :shrug:

My source for the bold, for the 80% of population either being asymptomatic to Covid or having slight enough symptoms from Covid infection to not need a hospital. is anecdotal evidence. I believe you provided this same evidence, anecdotally (I didn't use you as a reference), in a previous post from this thread.
And we've discussed the costs of that, compared with lock downs. Since it would require the full quarantine of everyone over 65 plus other at-risk people. There's over 50 million people over 65 in the US.

And then you must quarantine their caregivers with them: Drs, nurses, orderlies, kitchen staff, janitors, laundry personnel, etc etc etc. All need decent living quarters and food.

What's it going to cost to *effectively* quarantine ~65 million people? Good chance the lockdown is/was cheaper.
I would agree that immunity to Covid is inherited and not passed on ala herd immunity. That was the point I was attempting to make in a previous post to another poster. That immunity to Covid is not herd immunity but pre-existing immunity to Covid.
 
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And once again, you completely ignored this part of my post, which explains why SD at individual homes wont work:

Er....what happened to the logistics and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?? That was the main point...you ignored what I wrote except to come up with your own numbers of those that need to be quarantined ***along with their caregivers, med staff, cooks, launderers, janitors, etc)

Everyone not elderly or at-risk still needs to be out in the OPENED UP economy that you claim will be paralleling the 'quarantine.' They cannot have contact with those in lockdown/quarantine. So the quarantined STILL NEED that staffing and resources and isolation facilities....that's big bucks $$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Good lord :doh​

Is you reasoning for not reverse quarantining the most susceptible to Covid because it would be too cost prohibitive? I believe the social distancing lockdown was too cost prohibitive...and the social distancing lockdown doesn't protect those most susceptible to Covid because the lockdown is unsustainable.
 
My source for the bold, for the 80% of population either being asymptomatic to Covid or having slight enough symptoms from Covid infection to not need a hospital. is anecdotal evidence. I believe you provided this same evidence, anecdotally (I didn't use you as a reference), in a previous post from this thread

No. Just no. It's not from me and it's not remotely acceptable coming from your imagination. It's worthless.

That's not even what the 'bolded' statement you made means :doh Immunity being 'inherent' has little to do with being 'asymptomatic.' Oh lord. :doh

I would agree that immunity to Covid is inherited and not passed on ala herd immunity. That was the point I was attempting to make. That immunity to Covid is not herd immunity but pre-existing immunity to Covid.
I dont know who you're agreeing with. Once again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you know what "NOVEL" means? It's a new virus. New to humans and our genome. It's highly unlikely we would have an inherited immunity to it :roll:

Again, you just admitted you made this up. Why would you do that when there are actual facts out there? How on earth do you imagine that you are qualified to know more than the experts? :doh Maybe not yet all the answers but certainly not nonsense from someone who knows absolutely nothing about this subject. And you have demonstrated THAT over and over.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Is you reasoning for not reverse quarantining the most susceptible to Covid because it would be too cost prohibitive? I believe the social distancing lockdown was too cost prohibitive...and the social distancing lockdown doesn't protect those most susceptible to Covid because the lockdown is unsustainable.

Jeebus, I cant dumb down my posts any further. Your assumptions and conclusions are so wrong that I cant even answer that. You didnt arrive at the correct place via any reasonable pathway. You STILL dont understand how the bold works at all.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
No. Just no. It's not from me and it's not remotely acceptable coming from your imagination. It's worthless.

That's not even what the 'bolded' statement you made means :doh Immunity being 'inherent' has little to do with being 'asymptomatic.' Oh lord. :doh


I dont know who you're agreeing with. Once again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you know what "NOVEL" means? It's a new virus. New to humans and our genome. It's highly unlikely we would have an inherited immunity to it :roll:

Again, you just admitted you made this up. Why would you do that when there are actual facts out there? How on earth do you imagine that you are qualified to know more than the experts? :doh Maybe not yet all the answers but certainly not nonsense from someone who knows absolutely nothing about this subject. And you have demonstrated THAT over and over.

I'm not phased if I'm not entirely correct in my epidemiological terminology.
 
I'm not phased if I'm not entirely correct in my epidemiological terminology.

It's not 'terminology,' you dont understand. Period. You are using terms incorrectly and comparing unlike things. And proposing impossible things :roll:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Jeebus, I cant dumb down my posts any further. Your assumptions and conclusions are so wrong that I cant even answer that. You didnt arrive at the correct place via any reasonable pathway. You STILL dont understand how the bold works at all.

I know how a lockdown works. I'm just saying locking down most of the population - 96% of the population, for example, - is unsustainable for longer than a few days.
 
It's not 'terminology,' you dont understand. Period. You are using terms incorrectly and comparing unlike things. And proposing impossible things :roll:

I'm not using epidemiological terminology correctly. I confess that I'm not phased with that.
 
I know how a lockdown works. I'm just saying locking down most of the population - 96% of the population, for example, - is unsustainable for longer than a few days.

And that is also not 'social distancing' necessarily. It would be the most extreme version. Lockdown would be 100% as in the quarantine I explained. And even your 'reverse' Q.

And btw, we did a pretty good version of SD for about 8 weeks ***and it worked.***

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
It's not 'terminology,' you dont understand. Period. You are using terms incorrectly and comparing unlike things. And proposing impossible things :roll:

How is my reverse quarantine of those most susceptible an impossible thing? I would say locking down about 96% of the population for any length of time was an impossible thing.
 
And that is also not 'social distancing' necessarily. It would be the most extreme version. Lockdown would be 100% as in the quarantine I explained. And even your 'reverse' Q.

And btw, we did a pretty good version of SD for about 8 weeks ***and it worked.***

The economy was ruined but it worked? The crisis is artificially longer but it worked? The gov't was ruined but it worked? The psychology and sociology of Americans was ruined but it worked?

And it didn't work.
 
I'm not using epidemiological terminology correctly. I confess that I'm not phased with that.

So you said. You are not using alot of words correctly, nor understanding ones I'm using, like inherent and novel and asymptomatic and quarantine and social distancing and flattening the curve and as such, if you are going to discuss an issue...you should attempt to understand basic terminology and not insist you are right. And continue using them improperly and insisting the epidemiologists dont know their field.

You STILL dont know the reason why we chose to use flattening the curve thru social distancing to preserve medical resources. You believe it was something besides to 'save more lives.' (And you dont understand how it would!) And yet, you wont tell me what YOU think the reason was. Why not? Please do. Please provide SOME other theory even if you no longer believe it.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Benedict Donald has applied his prodigious stable genius to the successfully defeat of the evil leftist corona virus and its hateful antifa friends.

43 Florida ICUs Reach Capacity, Show No Beds Available as Coronavirus Cases Surge

Intensive care units in 43 Florida hospitals reached capacity and show zero ICU beds available, according to data released Tuesday morning by the state's Agency for Health Care Administration (AHCA).

The affected hospitals are spread across 21 counties, including Miami-Dade, Broward, Hillsborough and Orange, which are home to some of the state's largest cities.

Another 32 hospitals have almost reached full ICU capacity, reporting a bed availability of 10 percent or less, the data shows.
 
The economy was ruined but it worked? The crisis is artificially longer but it worked? The gov't was ruined but it worked? The psychology and sociology of Americans was ruined but it worked?

And it didn't work.

Yes...it was to save more lives and it did.

And wow...you still really really really dont get this.

And now you are just being a drama queen...the hyperbole is way off base.

But in any case, some Americans placed lives ahead of $.

Note: see post 591. This is what happens when you re-open the economy and release SD too soon. And now (in FL, AZ, TX), the curve is climbing steeply and resources are being maxed out. When there arent enough beds and ventilators and meds, and Drs to treat people....WHAT HAPPENS TO SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE?

Hint: more of them die than if the infections had been spread out in a longer curve and medical resources could have been replenished, spread out, and then used to TREAT those people and saved their lives.
:doh

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
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And that is also not 'social distancing' necessarily. It would be the most extreme version. Lockdown would be 100% as in the quarantine I explained. And even your 'reverse' Q.

And btw, we did a pretty good version of SD for about 8 weeks ***and it worked.***

As you know, the most extreme version of social distancing, the lockdown, is the one sure way to guarantee no transmission of cases.
 
Yes...it was to save more lives and it did.

And wow...you still really really really dont get this.

And now you are just being a drama queen...the hyperbole is way off base.

But in any case, some Americans placed lives ahead of $.

I don't think there is any evidence that social distancing saves lives.
 
I don't think there is any evidence that social distancing saves lives.

Reread that post and post 591. :roll:

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
As you know, the most extreme version of social distancing, the lockdown, is the one sure way to guarantee no transmission of cases.

Yes, those are the versions of quarantine we discussed.

You ignored the part where in "your version of" lockdown...which **you recommend because it keeps the economy open** means that all the individuals are living at home...with their elderly and at-risk family. And with an open economy...the rest of the family goes out every day to work and school. And potentially brings home infection every day. :doh

That is NOT lockdown. True lockdown...true quarantine...means NO ONE in or out of a zone or facility or home...sick or not. Otherwise the infection can still be brought in (or out).

How do you not get this????


This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
Reread that post and post 591. :roll:

When a decision must be made between saving lives and saving hospital resources, social distancing saves hospital resources every time.
 
Yes, those are the versions of quarantine we discussed.

You ignored the part where in "your version of" lockdown...which **you recommend because it keeps the economy open** means that all the individuals are living at home...with their elderly and at-risk family. And with an open economy...the rest of the family goes out every day to work and school. And potentially brings home infection every day. :doh

That is NOT lockdown. True lockdown...true quarantine...means NO ONE in or out of a zone or facility or home...sick or not. Otherwise the infection can still be brought in (or out).

How do you not get this????

I agree. A lockdown is no one getting out of the home. A shelter-in-place lockdown. Your overreactions are comical.
 
I didn't say Hoax but Virtual hoax...and admittedly maybe that wasn't the proper word, but sometimes u wonder...such things as

Why all the hysteria when only half of one percent die?

When those w health concerns can stay home.

Why should the whole damn country come to an abrupt halt?

The Dems in DC would love to see the economy destroyed. Their own jobs are quite secure..paid, ironically, by we the suckers...
So I assume you have been to a 'Covid party" and have had the disease. If not you are a fraud and need to go out and get the disease like you think everyone else should. You need to put your own life on the line before you ask it of others. It's not hard to get either just go to a bar and breath deep for an hour.
 
How is my reverse quarantine of those most susceptible an impossible thing? I would say locking down about 96% of the population for any length of time was an impossible thing.

Again: your RQ means 65 million elderly and at-risk adults and children are isolated completely in facilities....sick AND not sick, along with enough Drs and nurses, and janitors, and laundry people and kitchen staff, and orderlies, etc etc etc.

It means no one in or out because that brings in the infection. That is what Q means :roll: And it also means that everyone inside it is potentially sacrificed...because even if they arent sick when they go in...the sick ones are already in there and if internal isolation fails...then they get sick too...because no one is allowed to leave.

That is true quarantine. As defined. 100% isolation in a zone or facility or room.

So...how much do you think that will cost? Care and feeding and medical attention for about 80 million people? How's that gonna help the economy?

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa
 
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