Can women be sexist? Are there any forms of systemic sexism that impact men?

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Fishking said:

Really? How can a man move away from a court system that discriminates against them for child custody cases? Where can a man move to not be disproportionately subjected to violence from police?

Ah...but this is more drivel from a debunked post-modernist.

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Neither of those things are bigotry. Those are male decisions in society. Men have the power. Attorneys, judges, politicians, the whole circus. They run the show. No one is imposing anything upon them. You might not like some of the social decisions men make, but men make them.

Women don't control the circus. They have an absurdly small disproportion of power. They can't fix it for you.

You man problems are caused by men and can only be fixed by men. That's not sexism.

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Yes.

What liberal professor is brainwashing people that minorities can't be racist, women can't be sexist lol, where is this even coming from?

Everybody can be racist, everybody can be sexist

Someone on this board, or many people, have attended P. C. University

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dex4974 said:

I'd like to present a Ted Talk with this poll for any interested.

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In order for repression to be systemic, the repressors must control the system. Men overwhelmingly control every system of power necessary to do harm.

I said that yes, women can be sexist. That is true, but sadly even amongst women that sexism tends to favor men.

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ecofarm said:

Neither of those things are bigotry. Those are male decisions in society. Men have the power. Attorneys, judges, politicians, the whole circus. They run the show. No one is imposing anything upon them. You might not like some of the social decisions men make, but men make them.

Women don't control the circus. They have an absurdly small disproportion of power. They can't fix it for you.

You man problems are caused by men and can only be fixed by men. That's not sexism.

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Oh...so you don't have any problems with say...Candice Owens?

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Fishking said:

Oh...so you don't have any problems with say...Candice Owens?

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Mustard on a hamburger? What's the problem exactly.

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ecofarm said:

Mustard on a hamburger? What's the problem exactly.

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You're fine with what she says and you don't believe her message props up white supremacy, racism, or anything like that, correct?

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Fishking said:

You're fine with what she says and you don't believe her message props up white supremacy, racism, or anything like that, correct?

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What am I supposed to know about her. What do you want from me.

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maquiscat said:

More and more, women are being believed, and less and less they are being blamed for their own assault, speaking for western culture only. It's not a fight won yet, but we are winning along that front. But men are being left behind. And women are just as much to blame as men are. If a man says that he won't date a woman because she's too tall (or this or that physical attribute), he's a sexist. If a woman says she won't date a man because he's short (or this or that attribute) she isn't. Women are also quick to dismiss the idea that a man can even be raped. For women to be told they need to speak up, we had to come to a point where we acknowledged that women were being assaulted and it was not due to their own actions. We aren't there with men yet, or at best only barely scratching the surface.

Think of it this way. For women to want to speak up, they had to feel that they would be heard and believed. So why should it be any different for men?

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I dont get it. Blacks and women are going thru it. Still. If we should be 'standing up and be heard,' why is that the wrong or inappropriate answer for the men in that group?

Just because they're behind the curve? That's not anyone else's fault and the only way to fix it is the way blacks and women did/are. There's no bandaid.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Lursa said:

I dont get it. Blacks and women are going thru it. Still. If we should be 'standing up and be heard,' why is that the wrong or inappropriate answer for the men in that group?

Just because they're behind the curve? That's not anyone else's fault and the only way to fix it is the way blacks and women did/are. There's no bandaid.

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No one has said that it is wrong or inappropriate for men to stand up for their rights too, but it is also okay to stand up for them. It is also okay to include them in battles being fought.

If you're one of few voices yelling, especially when those who also may be on your side are people like incels, that don't truly have legitimate grievances, it is very hard to be heard. That's why we lend our voices to those who are legitimately seeing injustices against them.

Fighting injustices shouldn't be about race or sex. They should be about stopping the injustice, actually being inclusive in that.

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Lursa said:

I dont get it. Blacks and women are going thru it. Still. If we should be 'standing up and be heard,' why is that the wrong or inappropriate answer for the men in that group?

Just because they're behind the curve? That's not anyone else's fault and the only way to fix it is the way blacks and women did/are. There's no bandaid.

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Are they the ones behind the curve or are the rest of us (generally speaking)? Was telling women "just speak up" enough, or did we have to work to make an environment that made them feel safer to do so and more likely to be listen to? It's a two way street. What good is it to speak up if you are going to be told you're lying.

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Bodhisattva said:

Ignoring instances of racism merely because it does not affect the majority is to condone racism.

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I agree. Instances of racism that do not affect the majority, like racism against black people and sexism against women, absolutely should not be ignored.

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ecofarm said:

Sexism is a social construct. Sexism is the oppression of a sex. Men can be victims of bio sex bigotry but not sexism. Like white people can escape racial bigotry, a man can move to escape bio sex bigotry but a woman cannot move to escape sexism. Sexism is inescapable. Context is global.

A woman can be a bigot but not a sexist, just as a black person can be a bigot but not a racist.

This is all because men are the power majority. Not because men are inherently bad.

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So women in authority are too weak to be sexists?

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ecofarm said:

Men making rules for themselves that you think are not good for them is not an example of sexism. It's an example of social decisions, made by men, that you disagree with.

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You say that men can't be sexist against themselves, yet it takes sexism (stereotyping) against women for a judge to be sexist against the man. It's takes a judge's feeling of a wife's incapability to care for herself and an assumption that the husband is the bad guy to come up with laws rigged to favor women in all aspects of family court. Clearly you've never been involved in this to see it firsthand. It takes sexism to assign children to the wife by default, unless proven otherwise. You don't know what you're talking about. And that's only one aspect of the relations between the two sexes.

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ecofarm said:

What am I supposed to know about her. What do you want from me.

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An answer.

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george48 said:

And ir may shock ya! But i agree with you on history, though a lot of caviats need to be made, such as this wasn't the primary objective of history, but I agree that historical injustices need to be rooted out...just like thomas of aqujnus accepted the "substance" he did not agree with its "being".. I agree with eradicating historical bigotry but not all NUANCED statues obviously like of the HERO jefferson.... Who also did very bad.... . think any injustices commited, weather towards a man or woman or black or white are wrong...i believe in humanity m

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And let me just say that, as have said, obviously historical injustices need to be confronted and challenged.... But i am afraid we are loosing some form of objectivity and a sense of measure ... Recently, their was a question on morning television if chess is racist because of the white and black figures.... This is absurd....like wise comedy is censored when that comedy was either not even meant to offend or did so in thought provoking way, which is what comedy should do... Comedy shoukd offend you make you think... Censoring comedy is one of the worst things a society can do and it historically was the first sine of authoritarianism... It of course has to be thoughtful to be of value.... Just blatent bigotry is lame and bad....(wearing blackface just to insult black people does not make you "edgy") Nor do i think it helpful to view history as only a series of power struggles and series of injustices... Obviously, a lot of injustices were committed and are still committed today, like obviously state mandated, by law, racism was the norm in the west for very long... And yes, injustices, however, and from whomever, need to be further adressed, obviously, though it is also wrong to say no progress or very little progress was mae towards the great goal of liberty and justice for all... Really gigantic progress was made... It is a very different world today than prior to the 60s and that wqs a very different world, prior the the 1860s....and it is also very wrong to suggest that history was all bad and only gradually got better... History, like anything, is complicated... Real, tangible progress towards the best form of the state there is in my view, liberal democracy, fluctuated throughout history.... History has awesome parts and not so awesome parts... But i think it is wrong to view america, as the far left political activists, especially on social media, as basically bad. Obviously america did a lot of bad, but i think it is more nuanced and helpful and honest to view America as basically good but not living up to that goodness and equality very many times... (and yes jefferson wanted to include a provision to outlaw slavery but, like so many times history, or people in general don't live up to their ideals or to the great ideal of liberty for all) By no means, in any way shape or form all protestors today believe that america is all bad obviously btw. .. I just would like some perspective... Adreess historical injustices that give for example black kids in a lot of communities a disadvantage from birth but don't go over the top and declare all to be racist, and no progress was made for example and go and only look at jefferson as a slave owner, ehich of course is true and abhorrent, but nuance is important to also see he did a lot of good... I think most people wanna do good and unifying everyone on a common struggle for equality and fairness.

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roguenuke said:

No one has said that it is wrong or inappropriate for men to stand up for their rights too, but it is also okay to stand up for them. It is also okay to include them in battles being fought.

If you're one of few voices yelling, especially when those who also may be on your side are people like incels, that don't truly have legitimate grievances, it is very hard to be heard. That's why we lend our voices to those who are legitimately seeing injustices against them.

Fighting injustices shouldn't be about race or sex. They should be about stopping the injustice, actually being inclusive in that.

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?? I never even implied otherwise.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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maquiscat said:

Are they the ones behind the curve or are the rest of us (generally speaking)? Was telling women "just speak up" enough, or did we have to work to make an environment that made them feel safer to do so and more likely to be listen to? It's a two way street. What good is it to speak up if you are going to be told you're lying.

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Their "movement" is behind the curve. Such things come to a head, or reach milestones.

And women were told we were lying for centuries.

This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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george48 said:

And let me just say that, as have said, obviously historical injustices need to be confronted and challenged.... But i am afraid we are loosing some form of objectivity and a sense of measure ... Recently, their was a question on morning television if chess is racist because of the white and black figures.... This is absurd....like wise comedy is censored when that comedy was either not even meant to offend or did so in thought provoking way, which is what comedy should do... Comedy shoukd offend you make you think... Censoring comedy is one of the worst things a society can do and it historically was the first sine of authoritarianism... It of course has to be thoughtful to be of value.... Just blatent bigotry is lame and bad....(wearing blackface just to insult black people does not make you "edgy") Nor do i think it helpful to view history as only a series of power struggles and series of injustices... Obviously, a lot of injustices were committed and are still committed today, like obviously state mandated, by law, racism was the norm in the west for very long... And yes, injustices, however, and from whomever, need to be further adressed, obviously, though it is also wrong to say no progress or very little progress was mae towards the great goal of liberty and justice for all... Really gigantic progress was made... It is a very different world today than prior to the 60s and that wqs a very different world, prior the the 1860s....and it is also very wrong to suggest that history was all bad and only gradually got better... History, like anything, is complicated... Real, tangible progress towards the best form of the state there is in my view, liberal democracy, fluctuated throughout history.... History has awesome parts and not so awesome parts... But i think it is wrong to view america, as the far left political activists, especially on social media, as basically bad. Obviously america did a lot of bad, but i think it is more nuanced and helpful and honest to view America as basically good but not living up to that goodness and equality very many times... (and yes jefferson wanted to include a provision to outlaw slavery but, like so many times history, or people in general don't live up to their ideals or to the great ideal of liberty for all) By no means, in any way shape or form all protestors today believe that america is all bad obviously btw. .. I just would like some perspective... Adreess historical injustices that give for example black kids in a lot of communities a disadvantage from birth but don't go over the top and declare all to be racist, and no progress was made for example and go and only look at jefferson as a slave owner, ehich of course is true and abhorrent, but nuance is important to also see he did a lot of good... I think most people wanna do good and unifying everyone on a common struggle for equality and fairness.

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This is the barely coherent and grammatically inept speech of a man who desperately wants to be able to claim that he "cured coronavirus."

That's it, in a nutshell. When we do get a handle on this crisis, he wants to be able to pull out footage and declare "I called it! I said use this! I said try this! I told them to do this, it was my idea!" He's just doing it with lots of stupid stuff because he doesnt want to miss an opportunity. He's afraid 'the big one' will be mentioned and he wont get credit for it.

It's all about declaring himself the savior of the cv crisis and we'll hear all about it, esp in his campaign. (Which is basically each of his press briefings these days) --- Lursa

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Definition of sexism

1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex
especially : discrimination against women

2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

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BY definition (2) of course women can be sexist.

Sexist stereotypes abound in many of society's institutions.

The fact that men have dominated these institutions only means they are more culpable for perpetuating stereotypes by entrenching them in all aspects of society.

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the justice system?

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dex4974 said:

Okie-dokie. Thanks for the input.

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Woke cultists... What can you do?

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Lursa said:

tl:dr

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I didn't even bother reading it for that reason....

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CLAX1911 said:

Woke cultists... What can you do?

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I can roll my eyes.