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Whose Heritage is it? Make up your mind!

Whose heritage is it?

  • Lincoln was a Liberal and so am I.

    Votes: 5 83.3%

  • Robert E. Lee was a Liberal and so am I.

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Lincoln was a conservative. Tear his statues down.

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Lee was a conservative. Tear his statues down.

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • Total voters
    6
Captain Adverse said:
1. Slavery was a non-partisan issue prior to the formation of the USA...No "Parties" because that's when the East Coast belonged to England.

2. Slavery became a partisan issue shortly after political parties came into being in the newly minted USA.

3. Slavery was supported by the Democrat Party pre-civil War, and opposed by the Republican Party when it was formed pre-Civil War.

4. The Republican controlled Congress promulgated the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the US Constitution.

5. The Democrats in the Unreconstructed South created the KKK.

6. It was a Democrat controlled SCOTUS that created the principle of "separate but equal."

7. Later, it was the Democrat Party in control of Southern States that also promulgated all those "racist" laws based on that Separate but Equal foundation.

8. It wasn't until the Kennedy Administration tried to work with Black leaders, and after his death LBJ realized change was inevitable. So he convinced the Southern Democrats to champion changes despite not wanting to, so as to both control it and make it seem the Democrats were the new "saviors."

9. The Democrats have been playing that game ever since.


Now do you see it?
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You forgot to mention the Civil Rights Act and the mass migration of pro slavery Democrats to the north...and the mass migration of abolitionist Republicans to the south. I mean, how else do you explain the Democrat Confederate 'Solid South' turning solid red Lincoln Republican Unionists. It's like you're committing 'stolen valor'...taking someone's else's glory for freeing the slaves (the North) and claiming it as your own because you're too ashamed of your own racist heritage (the South).


Does anyone really believe that Lincoln, the emancipator of slavery, would wave the confederate flag of slavery and claim confederate statues represent his party's heritage like today's Republican conservatives do?
 
Olddemocrat said:
The reason you can't think of any reason to justify keeping any monuments to Lee may be because you lack the basic tools and are not good at critical thinking.
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Can’t these statues be placed in a museum if the goal was to preserve historically important statues.
 
bomberfox said:
Oh like prager poo’s video okay. I thought a youtube video would suffice when you post a fake “university”
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Yes, for example, the argument about how many Black "Republicans" in Congress since "whenever" used to "debunk" whatever...

Black Republican's DO run for office. Here is an example from back in 2010:

32 Black Republicans Run for Congress: Can They Win?
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32 Black Republicans Run for Congress: Can They Win? - Essence

Apparently not, since the Democrats control the most populous cites.

Point being? There are many Black Republicans and also Black Independents (like myself) who have come to realize we've ALWAYS been living on what is currently called the "Democrat Plantation."

IMO, judging from the likes of Maxine Waters, we are being led by the wrong people.
 
Captain Adverse said:
1. Slavery was a non-partisan issue prior to the formation of the USA...No "Parties" because that's when the East Coast belonged to England.

2. Slavery became a partisan issue shortly after political parties came into being in the newly minted USA.

3. Slavery was supported by the Democrat Party pre-civil War, and opposed by the Republican Party when it was formed pre-Civil War.

4. The Republican controlled Congress promulgated the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the US Constitution.

5. The Democrats in the Unreconstructed South created the KKK.

6. It was a Democrat controlled SCOTUS that created the principle of "separate but equal."

7. Later, it was the Democrat Party in control of Southern States that also promulgated all those "racist" laws based on that Separate but Equal foundation.

8. It wasn't until the Kennedy Administration tried to work with Black leaders, and after his death LBJ realized change was inevitable. So he convinced the Southern Democrats to champion changes despite not wanting to, so as to both control it and make it seem the Democrats were the new "saviors."

9. The Democrats have been playing that game ever since.


Now do you see it?
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So once again: anti bellum and post bellum Democrats are Republicans now.

Because:

Nominal politics = Party affiliation / affliction

Real politics = Ideology and value system.


Republicans have become what we fought against throughout the 20th century, to include the Civil War before then. The Republican and Libertarian Right are defending the CSA statues and memorials in the public square because doing it is their Triumph of the Will as we know it from the 20th century. Indeed, CSA was a one party state of slavers and military traitors.


It's been official since Nixon's "Southern Strategy" in the late 60s after the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act of LBJ, into the early 70s. Party politics is one's nominal politics while racism is the hard core ideology of the American Armband Right. It's the belief system that matters and it's why we have these statues to traitor racists erected by ideological traitor racists who defend 'em to the present day.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Yes, for example, the argument about how many Black "Republicans" in Congress since "whenever" used to "debunk" whatever...

Black Republican's DO run for office. Here is an example from back in 2010:

32 Black Republicans Run for Congress: Can They Win? - Essence

Apparently not, since the Democrats control the most populous cites.

Point being? There are many Black Republican's and also Black Independent's (like myself) who have come to realize we've ALWAYS been living on what is currently called the "Democrat Plantation."

IMO, judging from the likes of Maxine Waters, we are being led by the wrong people.
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There is no democrat plantation unless you think blacks are just too stupid to vote for their interests. Thats really not how the southern strategy is proven in the video though. Not even alt righters buy that bull****. Perhaps trumpists are too disgusting that alt reichers give black people more credit than you?
 
Moot said:
Lee was a traitor and fought for slavery...that's why his statues are coming down.

I don't think anyone has tried to tear down Lincoln's statue...but then there aren't many statues of Lincoln in the South to tear down. Why is that?
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Are there any statues of Lincoln in the South? - Quora

It isn't just Confederate statues vandalized or torn down by criminals. Washington. Jefferson. Grant. Columbus. Don Juan de Oñate. Texas Ranger. Orville Hubbard. Ponce de Leon. Frank Rizzo.

This isn't about slavery or racism. It is about domestic terrorists and anarchists trying to terrorize Americans in criminal mob acts of terrorism and anarchy.

Progressive white Democrats are the only people I know of in the known history of the human race that so hates their own ancestors they want to destroy any memory of them - while gleefully benefiting from what their ancestors gave them that most people of the world never will. They are the true example of totally naive, immature spoiled brats that should be treated and prosecuted as dangerous criminals and imprisoned. Maybe they would grow up in prison.
 
So why is it the only black person that is the all star of the republican party a Vapid bully who comes up to someone who tells of the suffering they endured because of racism and starts talking about hitler like wtf?
 
OrphanSlug said:
Given the nature of these threads on the subject, seemingly no one wants to really discuss history and as such no one really wants to talk about who stood for what, when, and why.

Not surprising.
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If you are seeking learned discourse or frank and open discussion, man, are you ever in the wrong place.
 
Captain Adverse said:
(Sigh)



Everything "supposedly" flipped. :coffeepap:
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What States did Goldwater win in 1964? Goldwater was one of the GOP Senators that voted AGAINST the Civil Rights act and all his victories came in the South. So yes the parties switched in the south.
In the end, Goldwater won only his native state of Arizona and five Deep South states—Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina—which had been increasingly alienated by Democratic civil rights policies. This was the best showing in the South for a GOP candidate since Reconstruction.
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1964 United States presidential election - Wikipedia
 
The party that constantly uses voter JD laws to disenfranchise minorities, constantly removes the humanity of black people who vote democratic, removed the teeth of the voting rights act, and constantly waves off the concerns of black people is the party of lincoln? Uh huh....
 
Captain Adverse said:
Yes, for example, the argument about how many Black "Republicans" in Congress since "whenever" used to "debunk" whatever...

Black Republican's DO run for office. Here is an example from back in 2010:

32 Black Republicans Run for Congress: Can They Win? - Essence

Apparently not, since the Democrats control the most populous cites.

Point being? There are many Black Republicans and also Black Independents (like myself) who have come to realize we've ALWAYS been living on what is currently called the "Democrat Plantation."

IMO, judging from the likes of Maxine Waters, we are being led by the wrong people.
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You forgot Barry Goldwater and George Wallace.
 
Tbh im pretty surprised the FBI and CIA survived all the **** they did to the civil rights movement.
 
MrWonka said:
THAT'S WHAT A ****ING HERITAGE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When a specific part or vein of history is special to you more than others it is called your Heritage. It's something that is passed down or inherited from your specific ancestors.
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Good God, dude. Calm down.
 
Captain Adverse said:
1. Slavery was a non-partisan issue prior to the formation of the USA...No "Parties" because that's when the East Coast belonged to England.

2. Slavery became a partisan issue shortly after political parties came into being in the newly minted USA.

3. Slavery was supported by the Democrat Party pre-civil War, and opposed by the Republican Party when it was formed pre-Civil War.

4. The Republican controlled Congress promulgated the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the US Constitution.

5. The Democrats in the Unreconstructed South created the KKK.

6. It was a Democrat controlled SCOTUS that created the principle of "separate but equal."

7. Later, it was the Democrat Party in control of Southern States that also promulgated all those "racist" laws based on that Separate but Equal foundation.

8. It wasn't until the Kennedy Administration tried to work with Black leaders, and after his death LBJ realized change was inevitable. So he convinced the Southern Democrats to champion changes despite not wanting to, so as to both control it and make it seem the Democrats were the new "saviors."

9. The Democrats have been playing that game ever since.


Now do you see it?
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You need to forget the words Democrat and Republican when the topic is racial and historical and substitute conservative and liberal. Liberals brought on the civil rights movement, liberals in both parties. Conservatives in both parties opposed it.
 
Rogue Valley said:
All the pedestals are occupied by Confederate traitors? /s
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I think the main reason is the South hated Lincoln...and many still do. Another reason is they didn't want Blacks during Jim Crowe to know about Lincoln.
 
bomberfox said:
There is no democrat plantation unless you think blacks are just too stupid to vote for their interests. Thats really not how the southern strategy is proven in the video though. Not even alt righters buy that bull****. Perhaps trumpists are too disgusting that alt reichers give black people more credit than you?
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:roll:

Straw man, followed by appeals to emotion. Then ad hominem.

There IS a "Democrat plantation" mentality.

How else to explain, as I pointed out in a different thread, all those ongoing "racism" issues in cities and States that have been under Democrat control for almost 50 years, if not longer?

If the Democrat Party is the People's Party, then why are areas they control so Problematic?

Are you seriously going to try to argue it is some Republican, or "alt-right" plotting with "webs of control" undermining all that wonderful Democrat social welfare and Identity politicking all those years? :doh

My argument, and that of my people who are labeled and smeared by Democrats and Progressives as "race traitors" is that we are being subjected to a new form of racism, which treats us like "children." Unruly, needy, wayward, and not very smart children at that.

The prejudice of low expectations.

IMO, despite all their "kneeling, Kente Cloth wearing, ally-ship posturing," it is the Democrat Party who are the ones keeping us down.
 
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Moot said:
I think the main reason is the South hated Lincoln...and many still do. Another reason is they didn't want Blacks during Jim Crowe to know about Lincoln.
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South Carolina, the first state to secede form the confederacy, chose to secede months before Lincoln was sworn in. That says something
 
joko104 said:
Are there any statues of Lincoln in the South? - Quora

It isn't just Confederate statues vandalized or torn down by criminals. Washington. Jefferson. Grant. Columbus. Don Juan de Oñate. Texas Ranger. Orville Hubbard. Ponce de Leon. Frank Rizzo.

This isn't about slavery or racism. It is about domestic terrorists and anarchists trying to terrorize Americans in criminal mob acts of terrorism and anarchy.

Progressive white Democrats are the only people I know of in the known history of the human race that so hates their own ancestors they want to destroy any memory of them - while gleefully benefiting from what their ancestors gave them that most people of the world never will. They are the true example of totally naive, immature spoiled brats that should be treated and prosecuted as dangerous criminals and imprisoned. Maybe they would grow up in prison.
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They also tore down a statue of J. Marion Sims, the father of gynecology. Do you know why?

Because he experimented on black female slaves....without anesthesia.
 
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Captain Adverse said:
:roll:

Straw man, followed by appeals to emotion. Then ad hominem.

There IS a "Democrat plantation" mentality.

How else to explain, as I pointed out in a different thread, all those ongoing "racism" issues in cities and States that have been under Democrat control for almost 50 years, if not longer?

If the Democrat Party is the People's Party, then why are areas they control so Problematic?

Are you seriously going to try to argue it is some Republican, or "alt-right" plotting with "webs of control" undermining all that wonderful Democrat social welfare and Identity politicking all those years? :doh

My argument, and that of my people who are labeled and smeared by Democrats and Progressives as "race traitors" is that we are being subjected to a new form of racism, which treats us like "children." Unruly, needy, wayward, and not very smart children at that.

The prejudice of low expectations.

IMO, despite all their "kneeling, Kente Cloth wearing, ally-ship posturing," it is the Democrat Party who are the ones keeping us down.
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Lol! You post your own thread as your only reference. Black democrats dont vote for democrats because of the so called bigotry of low expectations. How about instead of dehumanizing black people like a racist ****head you actually ask them? There is no plantation mentality. Its funny alt-reichers give black people more credit than you do. Hey white people have benefitted from welfare longer than black people, wheres the soft bigotry of low expectations there? Where is the plantation for white people? I argued that alt-reichers apparently in their own odd way give black people more credit than you hence you dehumanize black people more than they do. ****ing congrats. Im not going to give much attention to someone who completely ignores red states and the problems with policing that republicans also support.
 
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Trumpists cant ever admit fault whatsoever. Its fine, in 2020 you will be sniffing the dirt instead of the asses of the white wingers
 
bomberfox said:
Lol! You post your own thread as your only reference. Black democrats dont vote for democrats because of the so called bigotry of low expectations. How about instead of dehumanizing black people like a racist ****head you actually ask them?
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Aside from intentionally misrepresenting my point...which is that the leadership of the Democrat Party and those who support Identity politics are the ones exhibiting the "prejudice of low expectations,"...what makes you think you can cast aspersions like you just did?

Ah, I see you eliminated calling me by that "Uncle T" reference. I guess even you belatedly realized that was a step too far.

Too late, I saw it. Tagline time. :coffeepap:
 
Captain Adverse said:
Aside from intentionally misrepresenting my point...which is that the leadership of the Democrat Party and those who support Identity politics are the ones exhibiting the "prejudice of low expectations,"...what makes you think you can cast aspersions like you just did?

Ah, I se you eliminated the "uncle tom" reference. I guess you realized that was a step too far.

Too late, I saw it. Tagline time. :coffeepap:
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Fine ill own up to it. Yeah since you dehumanize black people more than alt-reichers you fit the uncle tom description to a tee. :). Thats how i feel confident casting such aspersions. Politics are identity politics. Where is the soft bigotry of low expectations for white people? Where is the plantation for white people?
 
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Captain Adverse said:
:roll:

Straw man, followed by appeals to emotion. Then ad hominem.

There IS a "Democrat plantation" mentality.

How else to explain, as I pointed out in a different thread, all those ongoing "racism" issues in cities and States that have been under Democrat control for almost 50 years, if not longer?

If the Democrat Party is the People's Party, then why are areas they control so Problematic?

Are you seriously going to try to argue it is some Republican, or "alt-right" plotting with "webs of control" undermining all that wonderful Democrat social welfare and Identity politicking all those years? :doh

My argument, and that of my people who are labeled and smeared by Democrats and Progressives as "race traitors" is that we are being subjected to a new form of racism, which treats us like "children." Unruly, needy, wayward, and not very smart children at that.

The prejudice of low expectations.

IMO, despite all their "kneeling, Kente Cloth wearing, ally-ship posturing," it is the Democrat Party who are the ones keeping us down.
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You're keeping yourself down.
 
Republicans when a black guy gets shot: dig up the guy’s criminal history, stop acting like a thig, pull up your pants boy!, stop resisting!, yada yada.
 
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