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Ali's son- Dad wouldn't have supported BLM

Rogue Valley said:
What's your point? If all blacks don't support BLM it is somehow illegitimate?
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You're attempting to read my mind, incorrectly. Young Ali would've supported BLM, while older Ali might've had some reservations.

I don't have anything against the sentiment and reasons for BLM, just their methods and certain kinds of messages. You can't cry injustice and inequality, yet practice violence and exclusiveness.
 
Moot said:
No, I don't agree with his son. Ali jr. was estranged from his father and hardly knew him. He's not speaking for his father...he's using his father's memory to give his own irrelevant opinion some relevancy. MLK jr's niece tried to do the same thing. Opportunists would sell out their own mother if they thought it would benefit them personally.
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"Don't tell anyone about this check."
 
SMTA said:
I think the point is that BLM is a divisive and ridiculous racist joke that causes more problems than it solves.
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Based on a single comment from somebody speculating about what his famous father might or might not have thought?

Apparently BLM makes white racists uneasy and more racist, which is a big problem for everyone involved.

Took a while, but I guess humanity finally knows why God made snowflakes white.
 
Jonsa said:
Based on a single comment from somebody speculating about what his famous father might or might not have thought?

Apparently BLM makes white racists uneasy and more racist, which is a big problem for everyone involved.

Took a while, but I guess humanity finally knows why God made snowflakes white.
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He is right.
 
grip said:
Ali was a known activist for black causes but he was old school justice. Do you disagree with his son?

Muhammad Ali's son said his dad wouldn't have supported Black Lives Matter movement or protests over George Floyd's death

Muhammad Ali Jr. said he did not believe his father would have supported the current Black Lives Matter movement, calling participants in the movement "racist," The New York Post reported Saturday.

He added: "It's not just Black lives matter, white lives matter, Chinese lives matter, all lives matter, everybody's life matters. God loves everyone - he never singled anyone out. Killing is wrong no matter who it is."

''My father would have said, 'They ain't nothing but devils," Ali Jr, 47, told The New York Post. "My father said, 'all lives matter.' I don't think he'd agree."

"It's a racial statement," he said of Black Lives Matter. "It's pitting black people against everyone else. It starts racial things to happen; I hate that."
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I just don't understand how anyone finds the "It's not just black lives that matter" argument convincing. No serious person has ever said that. When people say black lives matter they aren't saying that other lives don't. When people say "remember 9/11" they aren't saying "don't bother remembering pearl harbor". It just seems to be such a petty and stupid argument that I'm baffled that people actually buy into it.
 
It helps people understand that black lives matter too and I'm sorry that Muhammed Ali's son doesn't agree but MLK's son does and his dad done more. His dad faced more. I'm not saying that Ali's son opinion is invalid but maybe his dad didn't support because he never went through the things MLK had to go through. In some cases I agree with riots in other cases I wouldn't.
 
roughdraft274 said:
I just don't understand how anyone finds the "It's not just black lives that matter" argument convincing. No serious person has ever said that. When people say black lives matter they aren't saying that other lives don't. When people say "remember 9/11" they aren't saying "don't bother remembering pearl harbor". It just seems to be such a petty and stupid argument that I'm baffled that people actually buy into it.
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I've already answered this in a previous post...
I don't have anything against the sentiment and reasons for BLM, just their methods and certain kinds of messages. You can't cry injustice and inequality, yet practice violence and exclusiveness.
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agirlwithfacts said:
It helps people understand that black lives matter too and I'm sorry that Muhammed Ali's son doesn't agree but MLK's son does and his dad done more. His dad faced more. I'm not saying that Ali's son opinion is invalid but maybe his dad didn't support because he never went through the things MLK had to go through. In some cases I agree with riots in other cases I wouldn't.
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That’s not what the OP said.
Read it again. Trump can
 
Glitch said:
There is absolutely no way Muhammad Ali would ever support a terrorist organization, which is what BLM has become.

Under 18 U.S. Code § 2331 if they involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, and appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, or influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, then they are a domestic terrorist organization.

Under that definition, illegally blocking traffic, or even just failing to obey a lawful order from law enforcement makes all BLM rioters effectively domestic terrorists, and they should be treated accordingly.
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So no more exercise of first amendment rights then. Just hire one Guy to throw a rock through a window and lock the whole protest up.

At least you admit it.
 
Please understand that black lives matter doesn't cancel out other lives
 
grip said:
I've already answered this in a previous post...
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Their first method was peacefully kneeling and half the country and the leaders of our country went ape **** over it. In reality it doesn't matter their methods, they would be attacked by a certain segment regardless. People forget ow unpopular and maligned MLK was. If he were alive today most of the right would be calling him a race pimp or a race hustler etc. That's just reality.
 
roughdraft274 said:
Their first method was peacefully kneeling and half the country and the leaders of our country went ape **** over it. In reality it doesn't matter their methods, they would be attacked by a certain segment regardless. People forget ow unpopular and maligned MLK was. If he were alive today most of the right would be calling him a race pimp or a race hustler etc. That's just reality.
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MLK preached to protest in peace. :)
 
grip said:
MLK preached to protest in peace. :)
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He did. Yet he was still hated and trashed in his day by many politicians and the vast majority of whites. As I said. If BLM takes a knee, white people and politicians will go crazy and play politics with it. If they take to the streets peacefully they might get tear gassed and shot up with rubber bullets. If a few of them riot or become violent, or even if another segment of people loot stores, people against BLM will act as though every single person in the movement is violent or a looter. I agree everything should be kept peaceful, but lets not pretend that it would make a difference to 99%. There's a deep seated problem. And it's the reason that if you yell "blue lives matter" at a republican crowd they will cheer but if you yell "black lives matter" you'll be shouted down with "ALL LIVES MATTER". It's a serious problem and I don't even think people are equipped to discuss it yet, much less try to solve it.
 
grip said:
MLK preached to protest in peace. :)
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Getting the right to vote and eliminating Jim Crow was one thing, but a major problem still exists.

It existed in the late 1960s and the race riots that occurred in major American cities. It existed during the 1990s when the Rodney king riots reopened opened old wounds. It existed in the 2010’s when tensions flared again. And that problem sparked the protest movement in response to George Floyd’s wrongful death.
 
agirlwithfacts said:
Please understand that black lives matter doesn't cancel out other lives
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That's their problem, they purposefully distort the meaning of the phrase to make it sound like BLM is saying that black lives matter more, when in reality the whole purpose is to say that black lives matter just as much as any other lives.
Yes of course everyone knows that ALL lives matter, but right now, at this point in time, the endeavor is to make black lives matter equally, and to white supremacists, who are conditioned by a lifetime of privilege, equality feels like oppression to them.

To which I say "tough beans".

And pimping Russian propaganda in an attempt to distort and change the meaning of the word "racist" won't work either.
You guys don't get to have your very own custom definition of racism just because the actual definition makes you uncomfortable.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Getting the right to vote and eliminating Jim Crow was one thing, but a major problem still exists.

It existed in the late 1960s and the race riots that occurred in major American cities. It existed during the 1990s when the Rodney king riots reopened opened old wounds. It existed in the 2010’s when tensions flared again. And that problem sparked the protest movement in response to George Floyd’s wrongful death.
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A problem exists but the question is, how to address it, not to inflame it.
 
grip said:
Ali was a known activist for black causes but he was old school justice. Do you disagree with his son?

Muhammad Ali's son said his dad wouldn't have supported Black Lives Matter movement or protests over George Floyd's death

Muhammad Ali Jr. said he did not believe his father would have supported the current Black Lives Matter movement, calling participants in the movement "racist," The New York Post reported Saturday.

He added: "It's not just Black lives matter, white lives matter, Chinese lives matter, all lives matter, everybody's life matters. God loves everyone - he never singled anyone out. Killing is wrong no matter who it is."

''My father would have said, 'They ain't nothing but devils," Ali Jr, 47, told The New York Post. "My father said, 'all lives matter.' I don't think he'd agree."

"It's a racial statement," he said of Black Lives Matter. "It's pitting black people against everyone else. It starts racial things to happen; I hate that."
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There are two definitions of discrimination and I think people are getting them confused:

1. The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
2. Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

Because of the first definition, people seem to equate discrimination with racism, even when we're discriminating based on the second definition. Recognizing and understanding the inequalities in our society between different races is a form of discrimination, but it is not racist. So there's nothing racist about BLM just because it's pointing out a difference in our society based on race.
 
AJG said:
There are two definitions of discrimination and I think people are getting them confused:

1. The unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
2. Recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.

Because of the first definition, people seem to equate discrimination with racism, even when we're discriminating based on the second definition. Recognizing and understanding the inequalities in our society between different races is a form of discrimination, but it is not racist. So there's nothing racist about BLM just because it's pointing out a difference in our society based on race.
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Racism applies to any race that discriminates based on skin color. It works both ways and sometimes for different reasons.
 
grip said:
Racism applies to any race that discriminates based on skin color. It works both ways and sometimes for different reasons.
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Racism is prejudice, plus power. What do I care if Blacks are prejudice against me? They have no power to mess up my life. My political, economic and social power is secure despite how they feel about me.
 
Glitch said:
There is absolutely no way Muhammad Ali would ever support a terrorist organization, which is what BLM has become.

Under 18 U.S. Code § 2331 if they involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, and appear to be intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population, or influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping, then they are a domestic terrorist organization.

Under that definition, illegally blocking traffic, or even just failing to obey a lawful order from law enforcement makes all BLM rioters effectively domestic terrorists, and they should be treated accordingly.
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There's a huge difference between what people normally associate with terrorism and illegally blocking traffic. If you can't see that difference and think BLM should be treated like al qaeda, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
"Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go ten thousand miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs and denied simple human rights?" Ali, February, 17, 1966.

It sounds like Muhammad Ali understand the point of BLM very well.
 
grip said:
Racism applies to any race that discriminates based on skin color. It works both ways and sometimes for different reasons.
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Let's stop using the word discrimination for a moment because all we're doing is arguing semantics. Do you think that recognizing and understanding the inequalities in our society between different races is racist?
 
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