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Do you know who Patrick Underwood is, and is his death a tragedy

Is the Death of Patrick Underwood a greater tragedy than that of George Floyd

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TurtleDude said:
that is a well reasoned answer. The thing that I believe separates the two is that the shooter clearly was trying to kill an innocent person who -as of now-has no connection to the shooter and did absolutely nothing to cause the shooter to have any interaction with him. It is not clear if the cop was intending to kill a suspect. And the officer had some authority to detain Mr. Floyd. I would note that the Mens rea of the shooter is that of premeditated murder and that of the officer might well not rise to that level.
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If he didn't intend to kill Floyd despite continuing to compress his throat 3 minutes after he had passed out and made plain his apprehensions and inability to breathe, who warned away others who saw him in clear distress, Derek has got to be easily one of the dumbest mother****ers in the world; to me it is a particularly sick and depraved crime that smacks of sadism, the stark horror of which is doubly compounded by his civil authority and power.

In otherwords, the visceral intimacy and depravity of the crime combined with Derek's gross abuse of authority and his violation of the public trust, as a person who is clearly held to a higher standard as an officer of the law, makes this easily worse than a textbook cut and paste drive by perpetrated by a civilian where no especial sadism was involved.
 
Grand Mal said:
You tell us. How do you quantify it?
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Floyd's death was the result of mistakes made by police officers in the line of duty. Underwood's death was the result of premeditated criminal terrorist mob violene against innocent Americans and American human and civil rights.
 
TurtleDude said:
I see two answers-that are opposite, as being legitimate. You can argue that when a bad cop kills someone, that is worse, even if the slain person might not have been a leading member of society, because that is, perhaps, symptomatic of a corrupt, racist, or poorly controlled police force. On the other hand, assassination of a federal law enforcement officer-an officer that had absolutely no connection with the man who is accused of murdering a citizen, (the FPS is not exactly a law enforcement organization that has a history of bad acts-mainly because just about everything they do is in federal courthouses and federal office buildings)-is an attack upon civil government and thus is worse than an attack on a citizen.
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The Police are there to serve and protect. They failed in their duties. The cops who stood by while Mr Floyd was murdered need to be held accountable as well. You are comparing apples and oranges with your OP.
 
TurtleDude said:
Patrick Underwood was the FPS officer shot and killed by looters in Oakland California. He was an African-American. He protected federal judges and prosecutors. Is his death more tragic than that of George Floyd?
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It is also very tragic, he did not deserve this fate, but what? Are we having a tragic off? Is that the way conservatives/right writers try and lessen the tragedy of George Floyd's death or do you have a better explanation for this thread? I just cannot fathom the need for this thread/poll or the direction this is leading us into.

It is horrible that Underwood was shot, now these weren't looters, these were criminals of a whole different category, these were murdering scum. At least that is most likely the case, or as some have suggested for the most violent outbursts at night, they are saying it might have been antifa supporters who are misusing this situation to gain notoriety or to create anarchy and chaos. Or it could have been some extremist racist group who thought this was a good opportunity to start "a race riot/race war". But most likely these last 2 options are less likely. As said these could have been gang members settling a score with the police/courts and using the utter chaos of the last few days to do it.

But yes, it is tragic, but this thread also is a bit tragic, asking which death is more tragic is just a bit all kinds of wrong IMO and it just doesn't solve the violence or the problems a lot of black people have with regard to their relationship with the police.
 
TurtleDude said:
Patrick Underwood was the FPS officer shot and killed by looters in Oakland California. He was an African-American. He protected federal judges and prosecutors. Is his death more tragic than that of George Floyd?
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Who killed him?
 
TurtleDude said:
Patrick Underwood was the FPS officer shot and killed by looters in Oakland California. He was an African-American. He protected federal judges and prosecutors. Is his death more tragic than that of George Floyd?
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Where is the news story that identifies those who shot him as looters?
 
TurtleDude said:
Patrick Underwood was the FPS officer shot and killed by looters in Oakland California. He was an African-American. He protected federal judges and prosecutors. Is his death more tragic than that of George Floyd?
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Of course it is. So enraged at the killing of an innocent black man that the leftist mob went out and killed another innocent black man.
What happened to Floyd was not acceptable. I fail to see how the mob killing another innocent black man is going unchecked by the media. Someone explain the leftist logic here. Angry about killing an innocent black man.....so lets go out and kill another. How does that work in your heads.
Oh and if we can riot in mobs I think you can get your asses to a voting booth.
 
HumblePi said:
But you're not like racists who just have a prejudice and are capable of killing them for no reason, like this rogue copy who murdered George Floyd.
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You do realize that one of the cops holding him down was black, right? There was also a Latino and Asian. Does that mean they are all racist against black people?
I don't think this one was because of race at all. It was a killing by a police officer...abuse of power.
 
devildavid said:
Where is the news story that identifies those who shot him as looters?
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A white van pulled up during the riot, opened its side door and the individuals inside opened fire on an innocent man. Do you believe these werent rioters?
 
HumblePi said:
But you're not like racists who just have a prejudice and are capable of killing them for no reason, like this rogue copy who murdered George Floyd.
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You actually would need to show evidence he was racist and not a psychopath or sociopath or a bully who would or wouldn't be willing to do the same to other offenders based on skin color or something else that shows he is racist. The cop was reprehensible and will hopefully be convicted of at least manslaughter or whatever homicide charge they are putting on him as well as some form of betrayal of the public trust.

However, racism would need to be proven with evidence, not simply well he killed the guy who was black without remorse or sympathy. That isnt evidence of racism. And him not doing the same to others in different situations also is not evidence of racism. And this one could have been personal rather than have anything to do with race, if the information is correct about them working together, knowing each other from a side job the officer had.

I dont agree with calling all shootings of anyone of a certain race racism simply because they are unjustified. Each needs to be judged on the circumstances of the case itself, not the emotional responses of others.

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TurtleDude said:
Patrick Underwood was the FPS officer shot and killed by looters in Oakland California. He was an African-American. He protected federal judges and prosecutors. Is his death more tragic than that of George Floyd?
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This poll goes to the heart of how the Democrat divide the county each election cycle. The tragedy of George Floyd outraged everyone since everyone could see the injustice. We were all united in our collective grief; black and white, until the professional protesters and anarchists came in and committed even more crimes. These crimes then divided the country, with half seeing this behavior as a justified, eye for an eye. The other half saw this as another round of criminality that also needed to be punished, like the first. Patrick Underwood will have the most empathy from the latter half the people, while to the former half will have the attitude; the ends justify the means. The divide has been created. This is out of the Democrat playbook.

This ends justifying the means, condoned by the Democrat leadership, makes the law abiding half nervous. Their defensiveness would increase to aggression, if the lawlessness was allowed to expand. This could lead to a violet clash between law versus anarchy. The President was right to be quiet over the weekend, so the Democrat leaders could show their true colors; coddle the anarchists. They allowed crime to escalate, since this is what they can relate to. Trump came down hard on the side of law and order, and made the law abiding half feel safe again, so the escalation was dampened.

The question I have is why didn't the Democrats mobilize their militant and anarchists wings, like Antifa, after the jogger, Ahmaud Artery was killed in Georgia? They seemed to be totally unprepared to take advantage They let a good tragedy go to waste. However, they seemed to be more than prepared for the killing of George Floyd. There was national mobilization in a few days. My guess is the Corona Virus made these militant wings more disorganized and rusty; social distancing. However, once blood was in the water, the militant wings of the Democrat party were ready for anarchy.

Another possible reason is Georgia would not have been as accommodating to these outsider anarchists. Georgia is gun country. The anarchists work better if they have a host city that is more accommodating and supportive; same team. George Floyd was a perfect storm of opportunity, since Minnesota is a Democrats stronghold and the leadership would play their role, such as making the police stand down and allowed themselves to be bullied. If you notice all the worse riots and looting were in Democrat run cities where the anarchists would be most protected. Biden is doing his part and bailing out the anarchists for another round. However, Trump has called out the Mayors and Governors and they are in the spot light; match point Trump. Trump also threatened to take control and address their anarchist allies.

The Democrats have lost that evil magic they once had. Their Trump derangement syndrome has made them sloppy and predictable. Even fake news was not able to help out as well as in the past. Although, fake news had a few good days of promoting anarchy. My prediction is the blacks will side with Trump, since most blacks are peaceful people, who appreciated all the job Trump had created in black neighborhoods and well as his changes to the law that released those accused of victimless crimes Now with antifa considered a domestic terror organization the money backers and supporters in Washington, will be traced and dealt with.
 
AlphaOmega said:
Of course it is. So enraged at the killing of an innocent black man that the leftist mob went out and killed another innocent black man.
What happened to Floyd was not acceptable. I fail to see how the mob killing another innocent black man is going unchecked by the media. Someone explain the leftist logic here. Angry about killing an innocent black man.....so lets go out and kill another. How does that work in your heads.
Oh and if we can riot in mobs I think you can get your asses to a voting booth.
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There is zero evidence that the killing of Underwood was a "leftist" undertaking. None whatsoever. When I read that kind of horse****, my gut reaction is that the author is one of those people who, when reading about any violent tragedy, reflexively ascribes it to "the political left", despite having zero evidence for that label.

Is that who you are? Does that describe you? A knee-jerk crypto-fascist who blames "the left" for everything they don't like in life??

I ask because I'm relatively new to this forum and generally unfamiliar with those who post here, especially those without any description of their sociopolitical leanings.

For all we know, Underwoods murderers might have been right-wing anarchists - or Neo-Monarchists trying to make the Trump family into royalty.
 
MamboDervish said:
There is zero evidence that the killing of Underwood was a "leftist" undertaking. None whatsoever. When I read that kind of horse****, my gut reaction is that the author is one of those people who, when reading about any violent tragedy, reflexively ascribes it to "the political left", despite having zero evidence for that label.

Is that who you are? Does that describe you? A knee-jerk crypto-fascist who blames "the left" for everything they don't like in life??

I ask because I'm relatively new to this forum and generally unfamiliar with those who post here, especially those without any description of their sociopolitical leanings.

For all we know, Underwoods murderers might have been right-wing anarchists - or Neo-Monarchists trying to make the Trump family into royalty.
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I gotta know....give us your best guess as to who rolled up in a white van during an active riot, shot at federal officers then took off. Give us your best hypothesis.
 
TurtleDude said:
Patrick Underwood was the FPS officer shot and killed by looters in Oakland California. He was an African-American. He protected federal judges and prosecutors. Is his death more tragic than that of George Floyd?
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Since George was killed by the state and Pat, by some random criminal element, you are mixing your apples with oranges.
 
AlphaOmega said:
I gotta know....give us your best guess as to who rolled up in a white van during an active riot, shot at federal officers then took off. Give us your best hypothesis.
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American citizens.
 
wellwisher said:
This poll goes to the heart of how the Democrat divide the county each election cycle. The tragedy of George Floyd outraged everyone since everyone could see the injustice. We were all united in our collective grief; black and white, until the professional protesters and anarchists came in and committed even more crimes. These crimes then divided the country, with half seeing this behavior as a justified, eye for an eye. The other half saw this as another round of criminality that also needed to be punished, like the first. Patrick Underwood will have the most empathy from the latter half the people, while to the former half will have the attitude; the ends justify the means. The divide has been created. This is out of the Democrat playbook.

This ends justifying the means, condoned by the Democrat leadership, makes the law abiding half nervous. Their defensiveness would increase to aggression, if the lawlessness was allowed to expand. This could lead to a violet clash between law versus anarchy. The President was right to be quiet over the weekend, so the Democrat leaders could show their true colors; coddle the anarchists. They allowed crime to escalate, since this is what they can relate to. Trump came down hard on the side of law and order, and made the law abiding half feel safe again, so the escalation was dampened.

The question I have is why didn't the Democrats mobilize their militant and anarchists wings, like Antifa, after the jogger, Ahmaud Artery was killed in Georgia? They seemed to be totally unprepared to take advantage They let a good tragedy go to waste. However, they seemed to be more than prepared for the killing of George Floyd. There was national mobilization in a few days. My guess is the Corona Virus made these militant wings more disorganized and rusty; social distancing. However, once blood was in the water, the militant wings of the Democrat party were ready for anarchy.

Another possible reason is Georgia would not have been as accommodating to these outsider anarchists. Georgia is gun country. The anarchists work better if they have a host city that is more accommodating and supportive; same team. George Floyd was a perfect storm of opportunity, since Minnesota is a Democrats stronghold and the leadership would play their role, such as making the police stand down and allowed themselves to be bullied. If you notice all the worse riots and looting were in Democrat run cities where the anarchists would be most protected. Biden is doing his part and bailing out the anarchists for another round. However, Trump has called out the Mayors and Governors and they are in the spot light; match point Trump. Trump also threatened to take control and address their anarchist allies.

The Democrats have lost that evil magic they once had. Their Trump derangement syndrome has made them sloppy and predictable. Even fake news was not able to help out as well as in the past. Although, fake news had a few good days of promoting anarchy. My prediction is the blacks will side with Trump, since most blacks are peaceful people, who appreciated all the job Trump had created in black neighborhoods and well as his changes to the law that released those accused of victimless crimes Now with antifa considered a domestic terror organization the money backers and supporters in Washington, will be traced and dealt with.
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tl:dr Tolstoy’s War & Peace.
 
AlphaOmega said:
I gotta know....give us your best guess as to who rolled up in a white van during an active riot, shot at federal officers then took off. Give us your best hypothesis.
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I think it was Eric Trump. The white van is a dead giveaway.
 
MamboDervish said:
I think it was Eric Trump. The white van is a dead giveaway.
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I figured you would jackass your way out of actually providing a cogent answer. Typical leftist response when asked a straight up question.
Lefty states we cant be sure who shot a federal officer during an active riot but then answers that he thinks it was Eric Trump who shot an innocent man.
So much for your bull**** concern over innocent black men being killed eh? Patrick Underwood gets jokes made about him by leftists. Thanks for confirming why I hate leftists.
 
AlphaOmega said:
I figured you would jackass your way out of actually providing a cogent answer. Typical leftist response when asked a straight up question.
Lefty states we cant be sure who shot a federal officer during an active riot but then answers that he thinks it was Eric Trump who shot an innocent man.
So much for your bull**** concern over innocent black men being killed eh? Patrick Underwood gets jokes made about him by leftists. Thanks for confirming why I hate leftists.
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Bad guess.
Shall I repeat your cryto-fascist response to MY "straight up question"? Here it is again.

[/QUOTE] Is that who you are? Does that describe you? A knee-jerk crypto-fascist who blames "the left" for everything they don't like in life??

I ask because I'm relatively new to this forum and generally unfamiliar with those who post here, especially those without any description of their sociopolitical leanings. [/QUOTE]

It took you awhile, but I guess you finally got around to answering - in your own charming way. " . . . I hate leftists", ergo everything I hate in life must come from leftists, so if I hate Underwood being shot, he must have been shot by leftists!!"

I guess that formula is considered logic on your planet. Good luck with that.
As for me, I'm a progressive centrist. Bad guess.
 
AlphaOmega said:
A white van pulled up during the riot, opened its side door and the individuals inside opened fire on an innocent man. Do you believe these werent rioters?
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Why, do rioters always do drive by shootings from white vans? Could it be possible it was criminals who used the rioting as cover to shoot someone?
 
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