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What is the proper response by the Police (or National Guard) to violent riots

What is the proper response by the Police (or National Guard) to violent riots

  • benign neglect-watch and observe

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • set up blockades and prevent incursions

    Votes: 4 17.4%

  • go after violent looters, detain them

    Votes: 13 56.5%

  • shoot looters after a warning

    Votes: 4 17.4%

  • Only use deadly force on armed rioters

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • Total voters
    23
jamesrage said:
Those who are looting, committing arson, assaulting people and vandalizing property should be rounded up by police and their names published so that the world knows what a piece of **** those people are.
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Their trials and convictions will notify the public-so would a listing of those shot for engaging in mob violence.
 
It depends. Did they escalate the protests into riots by a show of force even when they were still peaceful? Did they indiscriminately go after and arrest any protester, regardless of whether they actually were one of the perpetrators? Because if they are then they should just leave because they aren't helping anyone. In another thread the OP linked a video of a police chief making a show of putting down his weapons and marching with the protesters to show his support. That's the way it should be. They should be part of the protest so they can have a clear picture of what's going on, not just be watching from the sidelines. They should arrest and detain the actual looters and arsonists, although who would dare create trouble when there is a police officer marching right next to you?
 
TurtleDude said:
You're a cop-you see 10-15 people start smashing down a door to a shop you know is occupied. nearby another mob is doing the same thing-they are beating a shopkeeper. You call for back up-none is available. What do you do?
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Okay, I’m a cop. First things first, what’s my relationship with the peaceful protesters?
 
We must consult Putin. Since he is running this ship, why shouldn't we?
 
What will we do to stop cops from shooting and strangling unarmed people?
 
Moonglow said:
Trump did and Pootin said to get out of the basement you coward and deploy the military.
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Did he tell the secret service to send him there as well?
 
TurtleDude said:
Not talking about peaceful protests-but rather violent looting, smashing of windows, attacking drivers in their cars etc
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Actually a combination of 2 through 5 depending on the severity. If it gets bad, then shoot everything that moves with no warnings. It would be preferable that the local civilians in the neighborhood did that though not the police.
 
TurtleDude said:
Not talking about peaceful protests-but rather violent looting, smashing of windows, attacking drivers in their cars etc
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The priority should always be de-escalation and the preservation of human life. Particularly in situations where you have peaceful protests and a very, very small number of agitators among them. Otherwise, you are weighing property above human life.

For example, if someone came into my home and took my TV and laptop, despite being a gun owner, it is not worth it to me to kill someone over a TV and a laptop. I would not be willing to use my gun unless my family's life was obviously threatened.

The point being, if you have some agitators in a protest that are engaging in vandalism and looting, then arrest them. You don't turn American streets into a battlefield where American citizens out protesting are the enemy.
 
Cardinal said:
Okay, I’m a cop. First things first, what’s my relationship with the peaceful protesters?
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Most of them are from your community-the ones leading them are not. You don't think the violent looters are local.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
The priority should always be de-escalation and the preservation of human life. Particularly in situations where you have peaceful protests and a very, very small number of agitators among them. Otherwise, you are weighing property above human life.

For example, if someone came into my home and took my TV and laptop, despite being a gun owner, it is not worth it to me to kill someone over a TV and a laptop. I would not be willing to use my gun unless I my family's life was obviously threatened.

The point being, if you have some agitators in a protest that are engaging in vandalism and looting, then arrest them. You don't turn American streets into a battlefield where American citizens out protesting are the enemy.
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You and your wife (if you aren't married my apologies) are coming home from a dinner with friends, and you see a guy carrying your TV set out of your open front door. You call the cops. You don't shoot him.

2 hours later, you and your wife have turned in for the night. You are still somewhat awake. You hear what you think is someone on your front porch. Yes, there is someone there. You tell your wife to call 9-1-1 while you get your gun. Suddenly, the door is smashed and someone is coming into your home. What do you do? If my wife is with me, I cover the entrance to whatever room I am in and tell the mope I am armed and police are on the way. he comes in that room I shoot him until he stops.

I see looters breaking into occupied shops as the same as the second scenario
 
TurtleDude said:
Most of them are from your community-the ones leading them are not. You don't think the violent looters are local.
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Not really what I was getting at. Do the peaceful protesters and I have a trustful relationship?
 
Cardinal said:
Not really what I was getting at. Do the peaceful protesters and I have a trustful relationship?
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Let us say YES. ball's in your court
 
TurtleDude said:
You and your wife (if you aren't married my apologies) are coming home from a dinner with friends, and you see a guy carrying your TV set out of your open front door. You call the cops. You don't shoot him.

2 hours later, you and your wife have turned in for the night. You are still somewhat awake. You hear what you think is someone on your front porch. Yes, there is someone there. You tell your wife to call 9-1-1 while you get your gun. Suddenly, the door is smashed and someone is coming into your home. What do you do? If my wife is with me, I cover the entrance to whatever room I am in and tell the mope I am armed and police are on the way. he comes in that room I shoot him until he stops.

I see looters breaking into occupied shops as the same as the second scenario
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It's a good thing that you are no longer part of the DoJ.
 
TurtleDude said:
Let us say YES. ball's in your court
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Okay, then if that's the case then I've acted professionally and I arrest the looters while respecting the peaceful protesters. My position will be strengthened by that relationship as the protesters do what they can do to neutralize the rioters.
 
Cardinal said:
Okay, then if that's the case then I've acted professionally and I arrest the looters while respecting the peaceful protesters. My position will be strengthened by that relationship as the protesters do what they can do to neutralize the rioters.
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what if there are 50 looters smashing windows, beating store owners and passerbys and you have no backup?
 
TurtleDude said:
what if there are 50 looters smashing windows, beating store owners and passerbys and you have no backup?
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And I have no backup? Then I go for backup. :shrug:

I mean, what the hell am I expected to do on my own in the face of 50 rioters?
 
Let's assume for the sake of argument that foreign soldiers are attacking America. They're burning buildings, killing people, and basically destroying this country's infrastructure. Should we A) watch them destroy our country, or B) stop them at all costs??

I assume most people would choose B) would you not?

Is being a citizen so special that it gives you the right to destroy your own country??

I would say emphatically, no, it does not. Which is why I voted for "shoot the looters".
 
TurtleDude said:
what if there are 50 looters smashing windows, beating store owners and passerbys and you have no backup?
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Cardinal said:
And I have no backup? Then I go for backup. :shrug:

I mean, what the hell am I expected to do on my own in the face of 50 rioters?
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Gun them down, obviously.

Hey Turtledude, after we've all gone around and said we condemn violent rioting, how about you say you condemn the state sanctioned murder of black people.

Btw, don't see you or any of your NRA buddies taking arms against the military occupation that you keep saying you need your guns for.
 
Nilly said:
Gun them down, obviously.

Hey Turtledude, after we've all gone around and said we condemn violent rioting, how about you say you condemn the state sanctioned murder of black people.

Btw, don't see you or any of your NRA buddies taking arms against the military occupation that you keep saying you need your guns for.
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I be more NRA types deplore police brutality than progressives deplore the murder of at least two black officers by the rioters.
 
TurtleDude said:
I be more NRA types deplore police brutality than progressives deplore the murder of at least two black officers by the rioters.
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So you won't say you condemn it. Thought so.

And because, unlike you, I respond directly to the person I'm talking to's points instead of dancing around them, there are protestors are weeping for the police. Here's one such example: https://twitter.com/sweeeetdee_/status/1267319103167107072?s=20

If, like you say, the NRA deplore police brutality so much, where are they? Why aren't they speaking out? Why aren't they defending the basic liberties of American citizens they profess to care so much about? Why aren't they defending people's rights to organize, to protest, to speak, to breathe?

I live in DC, I have been out these past few days and see black leaders handing out water bottles to protestors and offering them to both media and police as it gets hot. Corralling huge groups into sitting and kneeling peacefully. The people here don't fear the protestors. We fear escalation from the police, that's we bring milk to soothe pepper spray and tear gas, it's why we walk around with sharpies to write down phone numbers of lawyers and civil rights groups on other peoples arms in case they are brought in. It's why we remove our fingerprints from our phones so our social media associations can't be used against us.

As I said on the first page in this thread, the only proper response from the police and national guard should be de-escalation. Many are failing.
 
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