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Twitter says Trump "glorifies violence"

Twitter says Trump "glorifies violence". True?

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  • Yes, it's glorifying violence

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haymarket said:
I think the best police tactics infighting the sort of burning we see in Minneapolis is a highly visible police presence on the streets. You do that before you have to move in to stop burning and rioting. And that was nowhere to be seen last night.

It is almost a signal to people to break the law because the police have left the building.

The scene I saw last night was 90 - 95% of the people there WERE NOT BURNING OR RIOTING. They were watching few people do it. They are NOT the criminal underclass even though a few people might fit that description.

It is clear that the police let a bad situation get out of control.
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Of course, a heavy police presence helps, though it only helps so much if people know that the police have their hands tied.

There's a reason why riots have become a semi-routine feature of American life. It's not because the officers on the ground are all incompetent.
 
haymarket said:
I think the best police tactics infighting the sort of burning we see in Minneapolis is a highly visible police presence on the streets. You do that before you have to move in to stop burning and rioting. And that was nowhere to be seen last night.

It is almost a signal to people to break the law because the police have left the building.

The scene I saw last night was 90 - 95% of the people there WERE NOT BURNING OR RIOTING. They were watching few people do it. They are NOT the criminal underclass even though a few people might fit that description.

It is clear that the police let a bad situation get out of control.
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Years ago when all the wto and G8 protests were going on, I asked more than one group about the vandalism that was always a part.

What they all told me was that the vandals were not part of the protests.

That a subset of the "road punks" made their way to where protests were going to be. Showed up to eat the free food by didn't attend any pre-protest meetings or anything.

Then when the violence started it was them doing it.

Using the protests as cover to tear **** up.

I suspect that this is what is happening here. That the looters are just looters and it's not the actual protesters doing it.
 
What if...? said:
I had to refuse a job working on a trump rally.

Because he has been on the "Slap on sight" list for decades. And I'm sure others would be there too.

There are just so many people who would behave better if somebody slapped the **** out of them from time to time.
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I promote, advocate and support the extensive use of tasers in response to dumbass behavior and words. Cops should be required to enforce the Taze Law upon demand of any person or legal entity. Trump would not be above the law. A little bit of electricity can go a long way towards a more civil and educated society.
 
tres borrachos said:
They were protecting the home of the cop who murdered that black man in cold blood.

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Well I suppose we know where all the police when during the riot.
 
swing_voter said:
In a survey, voters were asked "are you afraid of other races?" Like 90% of Trump's supporters said "yes".


Do you think Trump is glorifying violence?
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Fear is one of the big tools of the gop. Remember the caravans, all the bad mexicans bringing drugs and violence and the libs who want to socialize america. So it's no wonder they are always afraid and seeing enemies everywhere. They've been taught to be afraid over the decades starting with reagan.

I'll pay your legal bills trump says to his gathering. I'll have to go with yes.
 
Ikari said:
I mean, saying "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" is dubious at best. In the context, it is easy to take this as Trump sanctifying the shooting of protesters and looters on sight. A President shouldn't be talking like that, it will only hasten the divide and cause more conflict.
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Hasten the divide?

The divide has been going on for years.

But you're right in that Trump needs to shut the hell up.
 
ecofarm said:
I promote, advocate and support the extensive use of tasers in response to dumbass behavior and words. Cops should be required to enforce the Taze Law upon demand of any person or legal entity. Trump would not be above the law. A little bit of electricity can go a long way towards a more civil and educated society.
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I personally think force monopolies are counterproductive.

When you can't punch an asshole for being an asshole, you make asshole a protected class.

So you end up with far more assholery.

We didn't need MeToo when her brother could show up at her work and kick the ass of the guy who was harassing her and that would be that.

There was much more "Well, that's what you get" back then. Even from the cops.
 
bongsaway said:
Fear is one of the big tools of the gop. Remember the caravans, all the bad mexicans bringing drugs and violence and the libs who want to socialize america. So it's no wonder they are always afraid and seeing enemies everywhere. They've been taught to be afraid over the decades starting with reagan.

I'll pay your legal bills trump says to his gathering. I'll have to go with yes.
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Conservatives have enlarged right amygdalas, they don't know if it's nature or nurture.

Enlarged right amygdalas are associated with strong reactions to threats to the group.

Hence all the messaging to conservatives from their media pointing out threats to the group, real or imaginary.
 
AmNat said:
This is a delusional statement from a delusional man. It has no connection to the real world, nor any basis in anything that has ever actually happened.
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Is that your opinion of the Bible too?
 
swing_voter said:
In a survey, voters were asked "are you afraid of other races?" Like 90% of Trump's supporters said "yes".
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Any source for that?

If true, it's definitely irrational. People of any race are much more likely to be murdered by someone of their own race than someone of a different race.

However, since Trump supporters are majority white, perhaps they are drawing their fear from the statistics that black people are slightly more likely to kill white people than white people are to kill black people and that black people are seven times more likely to murder someone (of any race) than a white person is.

If you really want to feel safe, hang out with Asian Americans.
 
AmNat said:
Of course, a heavy police presence helps, though it only helps so much if people know that the police have their hands tied.

There's a reason why riots have become a semi-routine feature of American life. It's not because the officers on the ground are all incompetent.
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I do NOT think riots have become a routine or even semi-routing part of American life. Just the opposite as people put up with lots and lots of crap and keep on going.

Laws apply to police forces also.

Minneapolis needs a presence of police BEFORE trouble hits. That goes a long way to discouraging most lawless behavior.
 
What if...? said:
Years ago when all the wto and G8 protests were going on, I asked more than one group about the vandalism that was always a part.

What they all told me was that the vandals were not part of the protests.

That a subset of the "road punks" made their way to where protests were going to be. Showed up to eat the free food by didn't attend any pre-protest meetings or anything.

Then when the violence started it was them doing it.

Using the protests as cover to tear **** up.

I suspect that this is what is happening here. That the looters are just looters and it's not the actual protesters doing it.
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So the question then becomes who is there to legally protest and who is taking advantage of that protest with an exercise of criminal behavior?
 
haymarket said:
So the question then becomes who is there to legally protest and who is taking advantage of that protest with an exercise of criminal behavior?
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The kids I talked to said they tried, but the vandals are a violent subset and the movement itself is based on nonviolence principles.

So to stop their violence they would have had to engage in violence themselves.

They did make this known to the cops, in more than one instance. I have seen articles about the subject.
 
Ikari said:
Trump dumping fuel on this fire may make this turn out well worse than Ferguson. The looting and destruction is not acceptable, nor does it help the cause. However, this all precipitated with cops killing a detained and surrendered suspect. Perhaps the root of the problem lies there.
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Trump is feeding his base just what they want to hear. Encouraging these deplorables is going to backfire one of these days
 
Outlook said:
Yea, we don’t want to see anything like Ferguson when Obama wouldn’t support the police officer who happened to be innocent.

Obama's Ferguson Sellout | Manhattan Institute
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Nothing in Obama's words indicate that he doesn't support law enforcement and the rule of law. Everything in Trump's words indicates his utter contempt for American citizens who are expressing their disfavor and opposition to state-sponsored murder of black persons.
 
Ikari said:
Trump dumping fuel on this fire may make this turn out well worse than Ferguson. The looting and destruction is not acceptable, nor does it help the cause. However, this all precipitated with cops killing a detained and surrendered suspect. Perhaps the root of the problem lies there.
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Why does the media and left have to fuel the race card? The violence as a result of this horrible death is senseless and will result in decades of rebuilding.
 
Trump has called for and condoned violence numerous times throughout his political career.

This is a surprise to no-one.
 
CharloTexan said:
Nothing in Obama's words indicate that he doesn't support law enforcement and the rule of law. Everything in Trump's words indicates his utter contempt for American citizens who are expressing their disfavor and opposition to state-sponsored murder of black persons.
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Why are you in favor of the violence? Why are you in favor of destruction of businesses. Why do you feel the horrible death justifies the violence that followed?
Point to a link that has Trump utter contempt for American citizens that peacefully express their disfavor to state sponsored murder.

When you say state sponsored murder you do know that the governor and mayor are both democrats. Do you want to restate your comment?
 
swing_voter said:
In a survey, voters were asked "are you afraid of other races?" Like 90% of Trump's supporters said "yes".


Do you think Trump is glorifying violence?
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That race poll is false

And no he's glorifying respect for the law ... property rights
 
swing_voter said:
In a survey, voters were asked "are you afraid of other races?" Like 90% of Trump's supporters said "yes".


Do you think Trump is glorifying violence?
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swing_voter

President Trump is not only glorifying violence, he is inciting it. Twitter should suspend or deactivate his account for his inciting of violence; just like they would if any other mook started to talk like that and had a very large following. Mr. Trump was elected to the Presidency of the USA, not to the board of Twitter. Twitter is not an arm of any government of the USA and so the First Amendment does not apply to its muzzling of a dangerous poster. Shut the dangerous demagogue down. His EO's cannot hurt Twitter by overturning Congressional legislation and if Mr. Trump tries, the First Amendment does apply to his decisions regarding Twitter. Pull the plug, Twitter.

Cheers and be well.
Evilroddy.
 
Outlook said:
Why are you in favor of the violence? Why are you in favor of destruction of businesses. Why do you feel the horrible death justifies the violence that followed?
Point to a link that has Trump utter contempt for American citizens that peacefully express their disfavor to state sponsored murder.

When you say state sponsored murder you do know that the governor and mayor are both democrats. Do you want to restate your comment?
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You talking to me? Nothing in my statement suggests, even to you, that I'm in favor of violence, destruction of business, or the "justification" you asserted. Not sure where you came up with that so I won't further respond to that.

My comments, for the not-so-reading-challenged were about 2 specific POTUS expressions, one by President Obama, the other by President Trump, essentially comparing the two. My comment regarding Trump IS THE ONLY link you need to my opinion. In my opinion, virtually every official Presidential utterance from his mouth (sans the greetings and salutations) supports my argument. I will not start to list all of his utterances, but you are free to throw out a few for my explanation as to how they perfectly support my opinion.

By state sponsored, I mean hired individuals of the ruling state perpetrated the crime. And in the greater sense, this has occurred repeatedly, across the USA, and the state judicial arms have essentially allowed it, typically without indictment, and almost always without conviction. Yes, innocence and guilt are adjudged by citizens, not the state. I know that, before you start tossing balls from left field again.
 
Ikari said:
I mean, saying "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" is dubious at best. In the context, it is easy to take this as Trump sanctifying the shooting of protesters and looters on sight. A President shouldn't be talking like that, it will only hasten the divide and cause more conflict.
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Actually I believe he was referring to the looters that would start shooting if anyone tried to stop them. Anyone who would disagree with his 'Thug' comment hasn't been paying attention to the senseless looting and burning of property.
 
rickc said:
Trump is feeding his base just what they want to hear. Encouraging these deplorables is going to backfire one of these days
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The only people who are glorifying violence are the one who are committing violence day after day and the media who call them peaceful protesters.
 
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