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  • 1)The Putin thing

    2 11.76%
  • 2)The tax returns

    7 41.18%
  • 3)George and Kellyanne's marriage

    4 23.53%
  • 4)Whether trump believes his own lies

    2 11.76%
  • 5)Whether trump is brilliant or an idiot

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    What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    In the past four years, questions we expected to have the answers to within the first year of Trump's Presidency have been entirely denied to us.

    If or when Netflix comes out with a documentary than solves just one mystery, which would you want it to be?

    1)What's up with Putin and Trump anyway?

    Putin is the one human being (perhaps besides most of his family) that Trump absolutely will not insult. He's been meaner to Tiffany than he has to Putin. Sure, it's quite likely that Trump just admires Putin's iron grip on his country and his untold billions in wealth, but Trump is also the President of the world's most powerful country with the most powerful military and the most powerful economy. Surely even to Trump that's got to carry some street cred. And yet, trump will spare no opportunity to cow-tow to Putin.

    It's also possible that he still has business ambitions in Russia. He lied throughout all of 2016 about having no business ventures with Russia, so obviously it's important to him.

    Is it blackmail? Is there a metaphorical "pee tape" out there somewhere? (To any trump supporters reading this, get a dictionary and look up "metaphor" before you body-slam the reply button).

    Also, so far as I can tell, Trump's admiration for Putin doesn't really seem to be reciprocated. The nicest thing he said about trump is that he was "colorful." His praise is otherwise restrained or couched in terms of insulting Democrats.

    2)What's in his tax returns?

    I mean, this one has got to be bad. Right? We know he's a tax cheat, we know he pays off women for his affairs, we know he's a sexual predator, we know he was (or perhaps still is) a money launderer. We know he's the worst human being in the country. What could be so bad in there that even Trump is like, "Whoah, we can't have the world knowing this stuff."

    Or is he hiding his tax returns just because he likes to fight? Both possibilities seem equally likely to me.

    3)What in the holy hell is up with George and Kellyanne?

    There is a saying: "Every marriage is a foreign country." In other words, don't speculate about other people's marriages by how you and your spouse conduct yours. But to hell with that. This is not a marriage that should work. You could not ask for two more diametrically opposite people.

    Do they have the superhuman powers of being able to leave their politics at the door? What possible dinner table conversation could they have? Do they just talk about Ozark and Westworld in order to avoid murdering each other?

    Is it all a hilarious game to them?

    Do they fight like banshees and just not talk about it in public?

    Do they come home and channel their disagreement into crazed, sweaty monkey sex that lasts for hours?

    Is that an image that you wanted to have in your mind?

    4)Does trump believe his own lies?

    Seriously, why don't we know this by now? But four years and 18,000 lies later and we're no closer to the truth than we were in 2016. Does he knowingly lie or does he craft a fantasy world in which he is the hero and everybody else is the villain? Is one necessarily worse than the other?

    If a person says 18,000 false things, you would think that the question, "Does trump believe his own lies?" would be self-answering. And yet, bizarrely, it really isn't.

    5)Is trump an idiot or is he playing eighteen-dimensional chess?

    Sure, everything he says is stupid and wrong. Listening to him speak, you become depressingly aware that no matter how long you wait for it, there will never be a point. Sure, he often forgets where he is and wanders away from what he's supposed to be doing. He mangles simple English words all the time.

    But consider this: He beat a crowded field of experienced Republican candidates. "Yes, Cardinal, but that's because of populism. He merely tapped into a tidal wave of anger and surfed it to victo-....oh." And of course he beat a highly experienced Democratic candidate. And finally, on inauguration, there was a great deal of resistance to him and his character from his own party. But by the end of 2017, all of that resistance was crushed. All you were left with was George Conway's tweets. Stupid people aren't normally able to pull that sort of thing off.

    And yet....and yet...we'll always have this:

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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?
    The biggest mystery is how so many people could be duped by a spray painted sociopath with an IQ of maybe one hundred and a third grade vocabulary. I don't really believe in simulated universe theory, but the more I watch this debacle, the more I have to wonder.

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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    The biggest mystery is how so many people could be duped by a spray painted sociopath with an IQ of maybe one hundred and a third grade vocabulary. I don't really believe in simulated universe theory, but the more I watch this debacle, the more I have to wonder.
    That's actually the one mystery we do have the answer to: populism.

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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    In the past four years, questions we expected to have the answers to within the first year of Trump's Presidency have been entirely denied to us.

    If or when Netflix comes out with a documentary than solves just one mystery, which would you want it to be?

    1)What's up with Putin and Trump anyway?

    Putin is the one human being (perhaps besides most of his family) that Trump absolutely will not insult. He's been meaner to Tiffany than he has to Putin. Sure, it's quite likely that Trump just admires Putin's iron grip on his country and his untold billions in wealth, but Trump is also the President of the world's most powerful country with the most powerful military and the most powerful economy. Surely even to Trump that's got to carry some street cred. And yet, trump will spare no opportunity to cow-tow to Putin.

    It's also possible that he still has business ambitions in Russia. He lied throughout all of 2016 about having no business ventures with Russia, so obviously it's important to him.

    Is it blackmail? Is there a metaphorical "pee tape" out there somewhere? (To any trump supporters reading this, get a dictionary and look up "metaphor" before you body-slam the reply button).

    Also, so far as I can tell, Trump's admiration for Putin doesn't really seem to be reciprocated. The nicest thing he said about trump is that he was "colorful." His praise is otherwise restrained or couched in terms of insulting Democrats.

    2)What's in his tax returns?

    I mean, this one has got to be bad. Right? We know he's a tax cheat, we know he pays off women for his affairs, we know he's a sexual predator, we know he was (or perhaps still is) a money launderer. We know he's the worst human being in the country. What could be so bad in there that even Trump is like, "Whoah, we can't have the world knowing this stuff."

    Or is he hiding his tax returns just because he likes to fight? Both possibilities seem equally likely to me.

    3)What in the holy hell is up with George and Kellyanne?

    There is a saying: every marriage is a foreign country. In other words, don't judge another marriage by how you and your spouse conduct yours. But to hell with that. This is not a marriage that should work. You could not ask for two more diametrically opposite people in the country.

    Do they have the superhuman powers of being able to leave their politics at the door? What possible dinner table conversation could they have? Do they just talk about Ozark and Westworld in order to avoid murdering each other?

    Is it all a hilarious game to them?

    Do they fight like banshees and just not talk about it in public?

    Do they come home and channel their disagreement into crazed, sweaty monkey sex that lasts for hours?

    Is that an image that you wanted to have in your mind?

    4)Does trump believe his own lies?

    You'd think we would have figured this out by now, but four years and 18,000 lies later and we're no closer to the truth than we were in 2016. Does he knowingly lie or does he craft a fantasy world in which he is the hero and everybody else is the villain? Is one necessarily worse than the other?

    If a person says 18,000 false things, you would think that the question, "Does trump believe his own lies?" would be self-answering. And yet, bizarrely, it really isn't.

    5)Is trump an idiot or is he playing eighteen-dimensional chess?

    Sure, everything he says is stupid and wrong. Listening to him speak, you become depressingly aware that no matter how long you wait for it, there will never be a point. Sure, he often forgets where he is and wanders away from what he's supposed to be doing. He mangles simple English words all the time.

    But consider this: He beat a crowded field of experienced Republican candidates. "Yes, Cardinal, but that's because of populism. He merely tapped into a tidal wave of anger and surfed it to victo-....oh." And of course he beat a highly experienced Democratic candidate. And finally, on inauguration, there was a great deal of resistance to him and his character from his own party. But by the end of 2017, all of that resistance was crushed. All you were left with was George Conway's tweets.

    And yet....and yet...we'll always have this:

    Of that list, I think George and Kellyanne is the greatest mystery to me.

    I'm reasonably confident of the answers to the other mysteries, and your above speculations reflect my assumptions fairly well.

    1.) He is both admires and is intimidated by Putin.
    2.) He is not nearly as rich as he pretends to be.
    3.) No earthly idea.
    4.) Most of his lies are little more than commands directed at to those who hear them to give him unconditional respect.
    5.) Idiot

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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    The biggest mystery is how so many people could be duped by a spray painted sociopath with an IQ of maybe one hundred and a third grade vocabulary. I don't really believe in simulated universe theory, but the more I watch this debacle, the more I have to wonder.
    Assuming a simulated universe theory, the researchers studying us might want to see what happens when Republicans get everything they ever hoped for. Similarly, in the next four years the researchers might change the rules to see what happens when Democrats get everything they hoped for.

    The main flaw in my theory being, of course, that Biden isn't exactly what most people imagine when they think, "everything Democrats hoped for."
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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Assuming a simulated universe theory, the researchers studying us might want to see what happens when Republicans get everything they ever hoped for. Similarly, in the next four years the researchers might change the rules to see what happens when Democrats get everything they hoped for.

    The main flaw in my theory being, of course, that Biden isn't exactly what most people imagine when think of the words "everything Democrats hoped for."
    but don't they know by now? we've already experienced hundreds of years of feudalism in Europe, and trickle down has crashed the economy multiple times in just the past forty years. why would the experiment still be going?

    also, if the Democrats lose this time, it's time for their entire leadership to go. enough is enough. win and then do stuff. do important, smart stuff first after winning. but win. FFS.

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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    In the past four years, questions we expected to have the answers to within the first year of Trump's Presidency have been entirely denied to us.

    If or when Netflix comes out with a documentary than solves just one mystery, which would you want it to be?
    6.) Where did the remaining rational left go?

    Seriously, we need a left and right dynamic, a healthy one. Both sides have to balance each other out and the complete removal of one or the other would result in radicalism. Unfortunately, there is hardly any rational left opposition anymore.
    “There are no self-proclaimed villains, only regiments of self-proclaimed saints. Victorious historians rule where good or evil lies.” ― Glen Cook, Chronicles of the Black Company

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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    but don't they know by now? we've already experienced hundreds of years of feudalism in Europe, and trickle down has crashed the economy multiple times in just the past forty years. why would the experiment still be going?

    also, if the Democrats lose this time, it's time for their entire leadership to go. enough is enough. win and then do stuff. do important, smart stuff first after winning. but win. FFS.
    Yes, but there are a couple unique questions such researchers might address, such as,

    1. American exceptionalism and whether "it could happen here."
    2. How long democratic institutions could endure under a President who had no respect for democracy.

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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishking View Post
    6.) Where did the remaining rational left go?

    Seriously, we need a left and right dynamic, a healthy one. Both sides have to balance each other out and the complete removal of one or the other would result in radicalism. Unfortunately, there is hardly any rational left opposition anymore.
    Christ, you people are predictable.

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    Re: What is the greatest mystery of the Trump era?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Christ, you people are predictable.
    ^---Irony.
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