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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

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    Thank you for a wonderful post, worth reading every word.
    I am so passionate about abuse, abuse of those who can't speak for themselves, whether it is the elderly, the disabled, animals. (that is a story for another day though)
    I have been "in trouble" for reporting abuse all my adult life. That is something I am willing to sacrifice for. Whether it is an abusive co worker, or a superior who is not up to par, or just plain neglect.
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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    My earlier thought was yes, rooms need cameras and a station similar to store security where a person is responsible to watch those videos as they cycle through the rooms. My next thought was the whole "patient" privacy thing. I can promise you if I had a loved one in someplace like that I'd sign a voucher that their room be monitored to avoid this kind of thing. Do I care if maybe their bare ass get's flashed on screen? I'd take it over what is seen in this video.

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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyFox76 View Post
    My earlier thought was yes, rooms need cameras and a station similar to store security where a person is responsible to watch those videos as they cycle through the rooms. My next thought was the whole "patient" privacy thing. I can promise you if I had a loved one in someplace like that I'd sign a voucher that their room be monitored to avoid this kind of thing. Do I care if maybe their bare ass get's flashed on screen? I'd take it over what is seen in this video.
    If your loved one is cognizant, alert and orientated, do you suppose they would mind if their bare asses get flashed on a screen that's going to be seen by strangers? People seem to believe that these geriatric patients are all 'out of it' and have no idea what's going on around them. You couldn't be more wrong. These elderly people are aware of where they are, they're aware of what's going on, they have feelings, they have pride, they aren't animals who just need feeding and changing. People need to become more familiar with the lives of the elderly. They should not become nothing more than 'invisible' people, they are humans with feelings and with a lot of dignity. They've come from better times, a better generation. One that gives respect and expects it back. We can't even remember those times anymore and it's sad.









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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    If you worked in a retirement home, then you might recall something called HIPPA regulations. What exactly are you looking for with your suggestion of hidden cameras inside skilled nursing facilities and retirement homes? Are you looking for physical abuse of patients, are you looking for staff negligence? What exactly is the objective of cameras invading private space?

    Would you be okay if someone had surveillance on you in your home without your knowledge?

    Sorry, I didn't see the video until after I posted my comment. So now I know what you're looking for. Cameras are not legal in private nursing homes.
    They let me into a retirement home when I was 18 with zero credentials and I was a dish washer and had to help lift the elderly people up because I was a big strong man, getting paid minimum wage to do all this.

    But it should also be established as a norm to be recorded for nursing homes unless the tennant says no.
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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyFox76 View Post
    My earlier thought was yes, rooms need cameras and a station similar to store security where a person is responsible to watch those videos as they cycle through the rooms. My next thought was the whole "patient" privacy thing. I can promise you if I had a loved one in someplace like that I'd sign a voucher that their room be monitored to avoid this kind of thing. Do I care if maybe their bare ass get's flashed on screen? I'd take it over what is seen in this video.
    It should absolutely be up to the patient. Also any kid in school should be able to have a body cam or public servailence device.
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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    They let me into a retirement home when I was 18 with zero credentials and I was a dish washer and had to help lift the elderly people up because I was a big strong man, getting paid minimum wage to do all this.
    You think that's bad? I started working as a nurse's aide with zero training, this was before State credentialing of nursing assistants was mandated and they needed to be certified. My training was on the job. Imagine never doing work such as being responsible for changing, feeding, dressing, shaving, transporting, lifting, doing vital signs, reporting problems, etc. all fell on your head --- without any training except for a few days of following around with another aide that worked there?

    I remember the first 'gentleman' I had to dress. I got his underwear and they were a one-piece cotton garment, similar to the illustration below, the guy on the left.

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    The only thing I couldn't figure out was how to put it on him. I thought I did it right but when he stood up I knew I had it on backwards. There was a long split that was supposed to go at the back, on the rear-end so the men could leave on that one piece suit and still sit down on the toilet to do their business. Hey, how would I know what underwear from the 1930's looked like? I also put this poor guy's dentures in his mouth upside down so the upper plate went across his tongue. I figured that one out pretty quickly when he started talking funny.

    Oh some good experiences, for sure. Nevertheless, we survived all those days.









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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    You think that's bad? I started working as a nurse's aide with zero training, this was before State credentialing of nursing assistants was mandated and they needed to be certified. My training was on the job. Imagine never doing work such as being responsible for changing, feeding, dressing, shaving, transporting, lifting, doing vital signs, reporting problems, etc. all fell on your head --- without any training except for a few days of following around with another aide that worked there?

    I remember the first 'gentleman' I had to dress. I got his underwear and they were a one-piece cotton garment, similar to the illustration below, the guy on the left.

    Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?-a076bc645d7c27895b4d16e924618062-jpg

    The only thing I couldn't figure out was how to put it on him. I thought I did it right but when he stood up I knew I had it on backwards. There was a long split that was supposed to go at the back, on the rear-end so the men could leave on that one piece suit and still sit down on the toilet to do their business. Hey, how would I know what underwear from the 1930's looked like? I also put this poor guy's dentures in his mouth upside down so the upper plate went across his tongue. I figured that one out pretty quickly when he started talking funny.

    Oh some good experiences, for sure. Nevertheless, we survived all those days.
    Thats ****ed I heard from my mom working in retirement homes now days that they arent even allowed to read books because of covids. Poor old people.
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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Thats ****ed I heard from my mom working in retirement homes now days that they arent even allowed to read books because of covids. Poor old people.
    Not many read books from what I've experienced. Most will listen to music or watch television. The activities department usually has some group activities for those who want to join. They play bingo and they play other games like ring toss, they also get 'visiting entertainment' from groups that go to nursing facilities to play live music, sing, dance or entertain in some way.









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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    Quote Originally Posted by HumblePi View Post
    Not many read books from what I've experienced. Most will listen to music or watch television. The activities department usually has some group activities for those who want to join. They play bingo and they play other games like ring toss, they also get 'visiting entertainment' from groups that go to nursing facilities to play live music, sing, dance or entertain in some way.
    Ya from covid n'**** the local one doesnt have bingo or anything like that everyone has been single room isolated for a long time, last I heard.
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    Re: Would Cameras in nursing homes stop abuse?

    I worked in a nursing home with my mom (she specialized for over 30 years in geriatrics) when I was 15-16 years old (I had to actually get a work permit). I had a background check, drug test, and had to get some vaccinations and a TB test. My job was basically that of a paid candy striper (my job title was "Helping Hand", and I made just over minimum wage, and yes my mother was the reason I was offered the job). After school, I refilled everyone's water pitchers, took a break, then gave out snacks.

    Not everyone was old, but this facility didn't do certain kinds of care. If a resident declined to a certain mental state where they were mobile but either violent or prone to wander off, they had to be transferred to a different, more secure facility.

    We had a lot of people who were very cognizant they just couldn't completely take care of themselves for various reasons. There were at least two couples where only one really needed to be there but the other couldn't care for their spouse. There were others who couldn't move from their beds (one of the women there was under 40, had MS but was mentally very sharp, she was such a great person, and the older staff had no problem with letting the 15/16 year old take her out to help her smoke). There were several with alzheimers who didn't know where they were at times, who others were. At least one man had dementia and Im pretty sure ended up getting moved to a more secure facility because he kept trying to leave and do other things to hurt himself. There was also a dirty old man who liked to get naked and hit on the female staff.

    But I definitely can see problems with mandating cameras in rooms. And it still wouldn't have prevented this sort of incident. He wouldn't have cared because he had severe mental problems. He shouldn't have been in this type of facility. That was the failing in this case. Most abuse in such places happens by the staff, who would know where the cameras are that would stop such events earlier. All hallways and other public areas should be monitored via camera, which could help reduce this sort of situation by catching someone in the wrong area earlier.

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