Obama and gun-ownership...

Is the most recent 2nd Amendment uproar here at DPF concerning Obama planning on taking our guns more about unsubstantiated fear or reality based on fact?

As I see it this is more of the fear mongering right we have all come to love attempting to smear the upcoming Obama administration via paranoid theorizing before he has even had the chance to be sworn in.

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Well, the last Democrat administration, with a Democrat Congress, gave us the most sweeping restrictions on the 2nd Amendment we've seen. Why shouldn't a new Democrat Administration with a strengthened Democrat Congress try to do the same?

I think you can count on it.

rsixing said:

Is the most recent 2nd Amendment uproar here at DPF concerning Obama planning on taking our guns more about unsubstantiated fear or reality based on fact?

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This question has been answered, in the affirmative, with overwhelming support, in other topics/threads.

So, living up to your nature, you're wasting space here.

Harshaw said:

Well, the last Democrat administration, with a Democrat Congress, gave us the most sweeping restrictions on the 2nd Amendment we've seen. Why shouldn't a new Democrat Administration with a strengthened Democrat Congress try to do the same?

I think you can count on it.

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Thank you for your honest response.

Obama, being from Chicago, is untrustworthy. Plus given the pension Chicago has for horrible, horrible treason and tyranny against the people and their right to keep and bear arms; I am well suspicious of Obama. Though any administration has the possibility of working against freedom and liberty; and most do. I wouldn't trust Obama with my rights, especially as it relates to my ability to keep and bear arms. Chicago is too interested in taking our guns away. That way you can't fight back when the police beat the piss out of you for no reason.

Ikari said:

Plus given the pension Chicago has for horrible, horrible treason and tyranny against the people

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You mean Oprah?
As fun as it is to fantasize about the great war between the malicious government agents and the noble armed citizens, no one is coming to take our guns in the night. Worst case scenario, maybe some tougher anti-assault rifle mumbo jumbo will get passed. Maybe not.

There are many Democrats who would ban the ownership of all guns if they could. Some Republicans, too, I suppose. It's not like it's far-fetched to expect something sweeping.

faminedynasty said:

Worst case scenario, maybe some tougher anti-assault rifle mumbo jumbo will get passed. Maybe not.

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And that is too much. The only thing that should be done currently in terms of our ability to keep and bear arms is the removal of restrictions and bans; not adding more.

rsixing said:

Is the most recent 2nd Amendment uproar here at DPF concerning Obama planning on taking our guns more about unsubstantiated fear or reality based on fact?

As I see it this is more of the fear mongering right we have all come to love attempting to smear the upcoming Obama administration via paranoid theorizing before he has even had the chance to be sworn in.

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I would have to say any administration has the potential to violate our 2nd amendment rights. Seeing how democrats have a history of not only wanting to violate our 2nd amendment rights they also have a history of actually violating 2nd amendment rights, an Obama administration with a democrat majority infringing on our 2nd amendment rights is not a matter of "if" but a matter of "when". There are numerous articles of Obama supporting anti-2nd amendment laws,So is is reality that he and other democrats want to take away or severely restrict our 2nd amendment rights. Those that claim such fear is paranoia are lying their asses off or they are severely naive.


These are all anti-2nd amendment things Obama supports
Gun control: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com
Barack Obama
Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products. Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment. Would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which allows the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to share data on history of sales and transfers of firearms used in crimes only with federal agencies for national security purposes, or prosecutors needing it for an ongoing criminal investigation or prosecution. Regarding the Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, Obama did not sign a friend-of-the-court brief that urged the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban. At a debate, when asked about case, Obama said he believes "that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right." Voted for 2006 amendment prohibiting confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency

Harshaw said:

There are many Democrats who would ban the ownership of all guns if they could. Some Republicans, too, I suppose. It's not like it's far-fetched to expect something sweeping.

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It was noted -- by the Daily Koz, no less -- that The Obama's website, his plan for change, was revised to remove the specification of a permanent 'assault weapon' ban being part of said plan.

Daily Kos: State of the Nation

Of course, he IS on public record for supporting that ban.

There's no reason to think that another AWB wont be porposed, passed and signed into law.

It was already introduced by Rep. McCarthy, immediately after the Democrats retook Congress.

Harshaw said:

It was already introduced by Rep. McCarthy, immediately after the Democrats retook Congress.

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Jan 2007, yes?

If so, as you know, it will have to be re-introduced in Jan 2009.

I'm sure there will be several people falling over themselves to be the first to do so.

Feb, 2007, and yes, all that will happen. Just showing why there should be no doubt of it.

Harshaw said:

Feb, 2007, and yes, all that will happen. Just showing why there should be no doubt of it.

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Clearly, gun owners are just paranoid nutjobs.

Goobieman said:

Clearly, gun owners are just paranoid nutjobs.

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A gun show in cincinnati that until yesterday never had more than a 15 minute wait in line (at the time it opens) had lines of an hour or more all day yesterday. One dealer sold 30 WASR (the cheapest romanian AK's) in the first 20 minutes at a price 70 dollars more than what he had them for a few weeks ago. AIMSURPLUS.com in Middletown Ohio sold more Eastern Bloc AK ammo in the last month than they have in the last 19 months or so.

I would expect action in this area pretty early; February at the latest. Rep. McCarthy, of course, was elected almost entirely on a gun-banning platform, so it's her pet issue and she'll act quickly.

Gun control will most likely tighten up under Obama. Still, the fear mongering from the right borders on comical

Kernel Sanders said:

Gun control will most likely tighten up under Obama. Still, the fear mongering from the right borders on comical

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No moreso than most of the fearmongering from the Left over the past 8 years. Or was Bush (or Cheney) really going to come and get you in the middle of night?

Harshaw said:

No moreso than most of the fearmongering from the Left over the past 8 years. Or was Bush (or Cheney) really going to come and get you in the middle of night?

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So you have no defense for fear mongering, but think it's okay because other people engage in it?

Kernel Sanders said:

So you have no defense for fear mongering, but think it's okay because other people engage in it?

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Said nothing of the kind. Simply providing balance; it's hardly an exclusive "Right-wing" phenomenon. You chose to make the distinction, however.

Harshaw said:

Said nothing of the kind. Simply providing balance; it's hardly an exclusive "Right-wing" phenomenon. You chose to make the distinction, however.

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Sounds like you're saying exactly that again. "Providing balance" = "two wrongs make a right"

Kernel Sanders said:

Sounds like you're saying exactly that again. "Providing balance" = "two wrongs make a right"

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No, I didn't say anyone was "right." But I guess I can't stop you from reading it that way if you're determined to do so no matter what I say.

I mean, I'm saying both sides are wrong when they do so. What are YOU saying, being that you're so energetic about arguing with me over it?

Harshaw said:

No, I didn't say anyone was "right." But I guess I can't stop you from reading it that way if you're determined to do so no matter what I say.

I mean, I'm saying both sides are wrong when they do so.

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So you're saying that you were wrong to engage in fear mongering? If so I redact my previous post

Kernel Sanders said:

So you're saying that you were wrong to engage in fear mongering? If so I redact my previous post

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Show me the "fearmongering," and I will admit to being wrong, sure.

Harshaw said:

Show me the "fearmongering," and I will admit to being wrong, sure.

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Not a problem.

Harshaw said:

Well, the last Democrat administration, with a Democrat Congress, gave us the most sweeping restrictions on the 2nd Amendment we've seen. Why shouldn't a new Democrat Administration with a strengthened Democrat Congress try to do the same?

I think you can count on it.

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Harshaw said:

There are many Democrats who would ban the ownership of all guns if they could. Some Republicans, too, I suppose. It's not like it's far-fetched to expect something sweeping.

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Harshaw said:

Feb, 2007, and yes, all that will happen. Just showing why there should be no doubt of it.

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