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Can you admit to one thing that Trump has done correctly?

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Can you admit to one thing that Trump has done correctly?
 
Grand Mal said:
Which thing?
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Any thing... sounds like you are a no... that Trump has not done one thing correctly as a President, ever.

Is this correct?
 
I have some degree of admiration for his decisiveness and being able to get things done, despite obstacles. The unfortunate thing is have no respect for his decision making process, so this quality is wasted on bad result. He has shown more restraint in some areas than I had expected. He came into office promising infrastructure improvements. I salute that idea. I wish he would apply his "get things done" skills to that endeavor. I would support him making a greater effort in that area.

The fundamental problem with Trump is that he is an arrogant, ignorant, thin-skinned, impulsive, dishonest, immoral narcissist that is devoid of empathy and who surrounds himself with 'yes' men. None of those are good qualities. Collectively they make him unfit for the office. So, its pretty rare he actually does the right thing as he just isn't wired to do the right thing.

I can't think of a famous person that is so lacking in basic qualities of human decency. In stark contrast. I did not care too much for the policies of GW Bush, but I would have no problem rattling off a dozen things that I admired about him. I liked the general policies of Bill Clinton, but I really didn't have that much admiration for him.
 
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upsideguy said:
I have some degree of admiration for his decisiveness and being able to get things done, despite obstacles. The unfortunate thing is have no respect for his decision making process, so this quality is wasted on bad result. He has shown more restraint in some areas than I had expected. He came into office promising infrastructure improvements. I salute that idea. I wish he would apply his "get things done" skills to that endeavor. I would support him making a greater effort in that area.

The fundamental problem with Trump is that he is an arrogant, ignorant, thin-skinned, impulsive, dishonest, immoral narcissist that is devoid of empathy and who surrounds himself with 'yes' men. None of those are good qualities. Collectively they make him unfit for the office. So, its pretty rare he actually does the right thing as he just isn't wired to do the right thing.

I can't think of a famous person that is so lacking in basic qualities of human decency. In stark contrast. I did not care too much for the policies of GW Bush, but I would have no problem rattling off a dozen things that I admired about him. I liked the general policies of Bill Clinton, but I really didn't have that much admiration for him.
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As a counter to this, I believe much of the more negative aspects of his personality. Are simply amplified by those that want to ride the bump they get by covering him, as much as they possibly can.
I've seen no real evidence of him being thin skinned, save for instance where you see headlines like "Trump Rages, Trump argues, Trump retaliates..etc" Only to see that it's Trump talking and even when he does get into arguments, he's the more leveled voice in the room. As one can see when any journalist stands up and tries to argue with him, much more so with Jim Acosta.
He also doesn't just surround himself with "yes" men. That's something that we keep seeing set as a frame, time and time again. If they were nothing but yes men, then they wouldn't counter him, or offer any form of opposition whatsoever. This same framing is why people believe that he lies so much. I have no issue with him stroking his ego, or with running off at the mouth. But we've literally seen the same media throw up his jokes, out of context and rate them as some sort of bald faced lie, over and over and over again.

I would argue that some qualities that others think are negative, actually adds to his effectiveness as a leader. No one wants a man who appears meek and reserved all the time, to be the one they know is going to be stuck representing them. It was one of the reasons so many didn't like Obama's domestic policy, or his interactions with other world leaders and it was far more apparent with Bernie Sanders. Especially after he was betrayed by the democratic party for a second time and rolled over for them twice, in that same order.

Trump emanates that same "I step into the room and say this is how things are going to be run" kind of energy that many peopled find desirable in a leader. While we've also seen that he's more than willing to compromise when given an alternative option.

The man is not as bad as others keep trying to make him out to be. He's just a jackass with a big mouth.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Can you admit to one thing that Trump has done correctly?
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He closed borders before most people thought it was a good idea. In hindsight, should have done so even earlier, but hindsight is always clearer than foresight. In so many things, his ideas are not bad. His execution of those ideas though is absolutely piss poor at best. For example, the daily coronavirus briefings where a really good idea. However, how he does the briefings is oh so terrible.
 
Oborosen said:
As a counter to this, I believe much of the more negative aspects of his personality. Are simply amplified by those that want to ride the bump they get by covering him, as much as they possibly can.
I've seen no real evidence of him being thin skinned, save for instance where you see headlines like "Trump Rages, Trump argues, Trump retaliates..etc" Only to see that it's Trump talking and even when he does get into arguments, he's the more leveled voice in the room. As one can see when any journalist stands up and tries to argue with him, much more so with Jim Acosta.
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In most of the videos I've seen, Trump seems to be the one at fault. A reporter tries to ask him something, and he avoids the question, and when the reporter presses the issue, Trump shuts him down and calls him "a very bad man" or something like that, and just ignores it when people ask him something he doesn't like.

He also doesn't just surround himself with "yes" men. That's something that we keep seeing set as a frame, time and time again. If they were nothing but yes men, then they wouldn't counter him, or offer any form of opposition whatsoever.
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Or maybe people who spend time in his company just end up not liking him very much.
This same framing is why people believe that he lies so much. I have no issue with him stroking his ego, or with running off at the mouth. But we've literally seen the same media throw up his jokes, out of context and rate them as some sort of bald faced lie, over and over and over again.
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It is arguable as to exactly how many of them are jokes. He seems just to say anything that comes into his head, and then deny it again later if he realises he made a mistake.

I would argue that some qualities that others think are negative, actually adds to his effectiveness as a leader. No one wants a man who appears meek and reserved all the time, to be the one they know is going to be stuck representing them. It was one of the reasons so many didn't like Obama's domestic policy, or his interactions with other world leaders and it was far more apparent with Bernie Sanders. Especially after he was betrayed by the democratic party for a second time and rolled over for them twice, in that same order.
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I definitely wouldn't say Obama was "meek and reserved". He wasn't loudmouthed and bolshy like Trump if that's what you mean. His general manner was dignified and calm, he spoke intelligently and rationally, unlike many politicians you see today.
Trump emanates that same "I step into the room and say this is how things are going to be run" kind of energy that many peopled find desirable in a leader. While we've also seen that he's more than willing to compromise when given an alternative option.

The man is not as bad as others keep trying to make him out to be. He's just a jackass with a big mouth
 
Marrybore said:
In most of the videos I've seen, Trump seems to be the one at fault. A reporter tries to ask him something, and he avoids the question, and when the reporter presses the issue, Trump shuts him down and calls him "a very bad man" or something like that, and just ignores it when people ask him something he doesn't like.


Or maybe people who spend time in his company just end up not liking him very much.

It is arguable as to exactly how many of them are jokes. He seems just to say anything that comes into his head, and then deny it again later if he realises he made a mistake.


I definitely wouldn't say Obama was "meek and reserved". He wasn't loudmouthed and bolshy like Trump if that's what you mean. His general manner was dignified and calm, he spoke intelligently and rationally, unlike many politicians you see today.
Trump emanates that same "I step into the room and say this is how things are going to be run" kind of energy that many peopled find desirable in a leader. While we've also seen that he's more than willing to compromise when given an alternative option.

The man is not as bad as others keep trying to make him out to be. He's just a jackass with a big mouth
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Oops, forgot to put the last two phrases in quotes - your words, not mine.
 
Marrybore said:
In most of the videos I've seen, Trump seems to be the one at fault. A reporter tries to ask him something, and he avoids the question, and when the reporter presses the issue, Trump shuts him down and calls him "a very bad man" or something like that, and just ignores it when people ask him something he doesn't like.
With the way they keep editing the videos down, I would have to say that I'd have that same impression as well. Yet after watching him be badgered by the same question, give his answer and then the reporter ask him to confirm it as a negative. Such as the infamous "fine people on both sides" comment. That had them trying to frame it, as though he was praising the white-nationalist in Charlottesville. I'd still argue that it's just more of the same with them trying to rile him up and he ends up putting his foot down.

Or maybe people who spend time in his company just end up not liking him very much.
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That's a concept that's up in the air for most. The most I've seen evidence for, if one could actually call it that. Is that some just don't agree with him on policy, while other don't care for his character.

Ted Cruz has stated much the same in the past. That he can be a dick at times, but at others he can see himself agreeing with Trump. It may be an "in the moment" thing, so I'm not really sure.

It is arguable as to exactly how many of them are jokes. He seems just to say anything that comes into his head, and then deny it again later if he realises he made a mistake.
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Yes, that is an aspect that I can easily agree to. He's always been mostly off the cuff and with very little filter. Though this is still a system that needs to be watched closely, as the medias framing can still impact it.

One can watch the various fact-check groups look into Trump's words and those of other politicians. They can say basically the same thing between one another and the group will rate Trump's statement as "mostly false", while the democrat gets a "mostly true". It's semantics, but such things do lend towards a bigger message. As a note, it irritates me to see instances where they supposedly catalogue his lies. Yet one of the first I never fail to see is "Trump claim, that at the WH dinner, they had burgers stacked to the ceiling."

Rating: False, they did not have burgers stacked to the ceiling.

I definitely wouldn't say Obama was "meek and reserved". He wasn't loudmouthed and bolshy like Trump if that's what you mean. His general manner was dignified and calm, he spoke intelligently and rationally, unlike many politicians you see today.
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I used to think the same about Obama, though as a side issue. It was mostly the stammer that bothered me with him and I think it didn't allow me to see past how duplicitous he could be near the end.
Though I think one of the bigger moments I can remember him actually showing this and showing just how weak he was, especially in his foreign policy. Was in 2014, telling the US that it and it's allies would ultimately destroy ISIL and work to counter the Islamic state.

Only to turn right around and say that it was neither a state, nor Islamic. Which now that I think about it, was where things really went down hill as far as the war on terror went.
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Trump is wrong about everything

But so are Republicans.
 
Trump has the uncanny ability to produce the worst possible result in everything he does.
 
upsideguy said:
I have some degree of admiration for his decisiveness and being able to get things done, despite obstacles. The unfortunate thing is have no respect for his decision making process, so this quality is wasted on bad result. He has shown more restraint in some areas than I had expected. He came into office promising infrastructure improvements. I salute that idea. I wish he would apply his "get things done" skills to that endeavor. I would support him making a greater effort in that area.

The fundamental problem with Trump is that he is an arrogant, ignorant, thin-skinned, impulsive, dishonest, immoral narcissist that is devoid of empathy and who surrounds himself with 'yes' men. None of those are good qualities. Collectively they make him unfit for the office. So, its pretty rare he actually does the right thing as he just isn't wired to do the right thing.

I can't think of a famous person that is so lacking in basic qualities of human decency. In stark contrast. I did not care too much for the policies of GW Bush, but I would have no problem rattling off a dozen things that I admired about him. I liked the general policies of Bill Clinton, but I really didn't have that much admiration for him.
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That's a fairly honest appraisal.
 
Marrybore said:
In most of the videos I've seen, Trump seems to be the one at fault. A reporter tries to ask him something, and he avoids the question, and when the reporter presses the issue, Trump shuts him down and calls him "a very bad man" or something like that, and just ignores it when people ask him something he doesn't like.


Or maybe people who spend time in his company just end up not liking him very much.

It is arguable as to exactly how many of them are jokes. He seems just to say anything that comes into his head, and then deny it again later if he realises he made a mistake.


I definitely wouldn't say Obama was "meek and reserved". He wasn't loudmouthed and bolshy like Trump if that's what you mean. His general manner was dignified and calm, he spoke intelligently and rationally, unlike many politicians you see today.
Trump emanates that same "I step into the room and say this is how things are going to be run" kind of energy that many peopled find desirable in a leader. While we've also seen that he's more than willing to compromise when given an alternative option.

The man is not as bad as others keep trying to make him out to be. He's just a jackass with a big mouth
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You are a victim if the liberal media. They make sure you see what they want you to see. All of the reporters who attacked Trump get attacked back. Good for him. It's about time we had a politically incorrect president who has the balls to say what he feels and call the press out for their bias.
 
Jay Falcon said:
Trump has the uncanny ability to produce the worst possible result in everything he does.
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LOL. And yet he plowed past 16 other Republicans in the primaries and beat an annointed Queen who didn't even bother writing a concession speech because she was so sure of her victory. Whether you want to admit it or not, he did many things right. Trump has the uncanny ability to throw the other side off, giving them a false sense of security, laughing all the way while Trump winds up winning and leaving the other people shaking their heads, wondering what in the hell happened.
 
jaypatriot said:
Put an important Conservative Justice on the Supreme Court.
So glad to see Kavanaugh make it after almost being railroaded by the Wiley Coyote Democrats.
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Yeah, that's quite an accomplishment alright. Trump sure pulled that one out of the hat.
 
He pardoned a few turkeys on Thanksgiving.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'm confused. The wording of your post implies that you could come up with at least one thing but then you didn't.
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OK.

I like his tax policies on small business.

I like that he gives it right back at the Democrats when they pick a fight. (but I don't like his wording or how he acts)

I like that he has the balls to take on China's theft of intellectual property, unfair trade practices, and their currency manipulation.

I like no new wars.


What I don't like?

Draft dodger.

He acts like a buffoon. (although he does have some funny stuff at times)

Attacking John McCain's service.

He can't hold a team together.

Him allowing Jared Kushner any where near the white house in a official capacity.

Trump University scam.

He lied about creating a beautiful & phenomenal health care system......the biggliest and best health care system.
 
Oborosen said:
As a counter to this, I believe much of the more negative aspects of his personality. Are simply amplified by those that want to ride the bump they get by covering him, as much as they possibly can.
I've seen no real evidence of him being thin skinned, save for instance where you see headlines like "Trump Rages, Trump argues, Trump retaliates..etc" Only to see that it's Trump talking and even when he does get into arguments, he's the more leveled voice in the room. As one can see when any journalist stands up and tries to argue with him, much more so with Jim Acosta.
He also doesn't just surround himself with "yes" men. That's something that we keep seeing set as a frame, time and time again. If they were nothing but yes men, then they wouldn't counter him, or offer any form of opposition whatsoever. This same framing is why people believe that he lies so much. I have no issue with him stroking his ego, or with running off at the mouth. But we've literally seen the same media throw up his jokes, out of context and rate them as some sort of bald faced lie, over and over and over again.

I would argue that some qualities that others think are negative, actually adds to his effectiveness as a leader. No one wants a man who appears meek and reserved all the time, to be the one they know is going to be stuck representing them. It was one of the reasons so many didn't like Obama's domestic policy, or his interactions with other world leaders and it was far more apparent with Bernie Sanders. Especially after he was betrayed by the democratic party for a second time and rolled over for them twice, in that same order.

Trump emanates that same "I step into the room and say this is how things are going to be run" kind of energy that many peopled find desirable in a leader. While we've also seen that he's more than willing to compromise when given an alternative option.

The man is not as bad as others keep trying to make him out to be. He's just a jackass with a big mouth.
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He's not just a jackass with a big mouth. He's a fraud. A serial bankrupt. A divisive provocateur and creepy as hell.
He's bad for America, in a nutshell, and only blindered partisanship can explain why anyone would vote for him.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Can you admit to one thing that Trump has done correctly?
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Trump is a natural showman. He's incredibly good at being the center of attention. He's also great at selling ideas. He's also probably very likeable. He made the apprentice work despite being an actual business failure. Few others could have done that.

As a person he's despicable garbage, but it's not like he's uniquely or even exceptionally evil. He's selfish, simple, and small minded. The problem isn't Trump, it's the enablers and grifters he drags along. He's basically a spolied child. Who else would think disinfecting someones lungs was a viable option? The closest fictional character I can think of is Zaphod Beeblebrox... except people are dumb enough to let him actually run things.

The people who push his garbage are the true evil ones. Fox News is running on a work from home basis because they don't want their employees getting sick, as they push for everyone else to get back to work. People like Rush, Hannity, etc... aren't irrational idiots, they're smart enough to understand the issues they rant on. They're also smart enough to understand what sells to people who are governed by emotion. They sell hate and prey on victimhood for MONEY. (we can safely exclude Tucker from the smart enough crowd btw..).
 
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