Who do You Trust with the Economy?

Tangmo said:

Trump & Rowers have bungled their way into the Venezuela model.

They make Enron look like the smartest guys in the room.

It might be too that Trump is taking macro advice from Kim Jong Un.

While Larry Kudlow should start wearing Herbert Hoover ties made in China.


Seriously. :doh

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Trump Rowers.... Everybody DRINK!

marke said:

Never trust a Marxist who promises free stuff in exchange for submission to brutal bankrupted government control.

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You might consider doing political missionary work in Africa where you'd be relevant for a change.

Integrityrespec said:

Talk about delusional. Democrats are not good with the economy. They over-regulate and over tax. The economy almost always slows down.
The economy under Trump has been at record highs and to deny this just shows either total bias or total ignorance. The current down turn has nothing to do with Trump but everything to do with the Chinese Virus and scare tactics encouraging shutting down business.

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Herbert Hoover.

Indie guy said:

It's still too early to predict the outcome of the election but yes, there is a chance of the senate going democrat this time. If that happens I don't really want a democrat in the White House. Checks and balances are what's needed in the government, and one-party control of all branches is never good.

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It would only last for two years, ie, till the next election. We see that practically all the time. Methinks we should give it a try. After all, what have we got to lose eh.

Jay59 said:

I am not sure this administration has treated China as the enemy. Rather, they have treated it as an aggressor who owed us reparations. The so called trade war was more of a border skirmish. Still, even if China is not the enemy, they are not friendly. Failing to recognize that reality is one of the more glaring failings of the Obama years.

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Your post is instructive of what can happen as Beijing runs psychological warfare ops 24/7/365.

Your "but Obama" marks you as a guy who while he claims to reject Trump is in fact a Trump door to door salesman. Only Trump salesmen do the 'but Obama' schtick.

Reagan more than any other kissed China's touche while obscuring it by focusing on the Russian Soviet Union treaties on nukes and so on. The bottom line on Reagan and China is that Reagan shifted power back to the wealthy and the wealthy used that power to escape the borders of democracy by moving production to China. Trump shock reversed this in the first significant ways since Reagan initiated it ever so softly and quietly.

GHW Bush was disappointed to no end he had to punish his beloved CCP-PRC for Tiananmen instead of giving 'em 12 years of Reagan which is what GHW had set out to do. Counterfeit Bill after him was Beijing's private gardener of Reagan's money trees.

GW the anti CCP ideologue was more like Trump except quietly and on non economic issues such as Taiwan (which Trump is big on also).

The Obama-Hillary "Pivot to the Pacific" put the USA squarely in the South China Sea where it remains bigly and froze Beijing's belligerence against Japan -- Obillary's weak point was Taiwan which they pretended didn't exist.

So your 'but Obama' betrays your 'yes Trump but' reality. Because you and I are on opposite sides concerning CCP-PRC Dictator Tyrants in Beijing and their detestation of democracy -- the United States and Japan above all democracies. You are one among very many who hasn't any clue of how much the Chinese despise Japan and Japanese Western style parliamentary democracy. It's also what drives Beijing nuts about Taiwan. Still however USA is their number one foreign devil, ie, enemy to be vanquished.

jaypatriot said:

Strangler,
You're trying to make me feel better about not voting for Trump in 2016.
But it is interesting you hanging the fall of the economy and the 80,000+ deaths directly on Trump.
The most deaths from the virus and the destruction of the biggest economy in the whole world.
So you are making him the most powerful person in the entire world.
He would probably like to hear that. And you are stating that shamelessly.
Just like Thanos from the Avengers. You think of him as a super villain.
Not even Lex Luther can top that.

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First, he's as close to Lex Luthor as can be possible in the real world.

Second, he probably admires that character.
In fact, it can be argued that Trump has quite possibly replaced that character entirely as a cultural icon.
The writer of "Back to the Future" has already openly admitted that he BASED Biff Tannen's character on his impression of Trump, and that was decades ago.

Third, you can't dispute that dismantling the global team that might have bought us valuable prep time cost us trillions, and you can't dispute that it was his decision, thus his attempt at saving a few billion really HAS cost us untold trillions.

Fourth, the President of the United States IS, for all practical purposes, the most powerful person in the entire world, can you dispute that?

Fifth, the list of bad ideas, missteps, guaranteed disastrous moves and dangerous policy positions...when you add ALL of them up, cannot possibly ALL be "accidental", particularly when one already knows that the longest chapter in Trump's book "Think BIG" is titled "REVENGE".

"We report, you decide"





So yeah, if you really did NOT vote for Trump, you should feel relieved, and yeah...it really IS that bad, and yeah...this really SHOULD be an object lesson to the entire human race.
It has now transcended mere politics.

PS: If you're not a car fanatic, you won't get the humor in the car picture.

Herbert Donald Hoover-Trump.

Chomsky said:

Disagree. I never saw anything like Trump's rhetoric come out of Obama's mouth. Not at all.

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Obama: Not 'even a smidgen of corruption' ??

Seems rather hyperbolic, over the top, similar to the foolish way Trump speaks also.

Your mileage may vary. :shrug:

This is an especially ironic claim from Obama considering what's being made public about Obama and his administration's weaponization of federal agencies and use as political weapons.

Tangmo said:

You might consider doing political missionary work in Africa where you'd be relevant for a change.

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Marxist democrat socialism will not work in Africa. Before Marsixt socialism can work there must be a source of existing wealth to rob from to give to the poor, and most African nations are not that far along on plans to build a ground of national wealth into which to plant the seeds of democrat socialism.

marke said:

Marxist democrat socialism will not work in Africa. Before Marsixt socialism can work there must be a source of existing wealth to rob from to give to the poor, and most African nations are not that far along on plans to build a ground of national wealth into which to plant the seeds of democrat socialism.

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Oops, I didn't mean to interfere with your doctrines.

Heaven forbid I should stand in your way.

Suffice to say there are very few Marxists remaining in the world today but don't let that stop you either.

Tangmo said:

Oops, I didn't mean to interfere with your doctrines.

Heaven forbid I should stand in your way.

Suffice to say there are very few Marxists remaining in the world today but don't let that stop you either.

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OK, you think Marxism is dead. Let's just admit that socialism does not create wealth in emerging nations, it can only suck the wealth out of nations which was there by some other form of economy before socialism came along. Never expect any modern democrat candidate to understand that fact, especially not Bernie Sanders or AOC or her pliable protoge demented Joe Biden.

marke said:

OK, you think Marxism is dead. Let's just admit that socialism does not create wealth in emerging nations, it can only suck the wealth out of nations which was there by some other form of economy before socialism came along. Never expect any modern democrat candidate to understand that fact, especially not Bernie Sanders or AOC or her pliable protoge demented Joe Biden.

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You're posting as if Bernie who you mention by name were the nominee or the presumptive nominee which he isn't as Bernie has suspended his campaign. You'd need to suspend your planned campaign against Bernie as the nominee because Bernie Sanders is not the nominee nor will Sanders be the nominee.

So shut off your socialism auto pilot in other words to focus on Biden instead cause we would welcome your help driving voters away from Trump -- in Florida especially -- and on over to Biden as Biden continues to present himself to the voters as Mr. Normal as opposed to Trump who is, among other things, a wildman ignoramus jackass.

eohrnberger said:

Obama: Not 'even a smidgen of corruption' ??

Seems rather hyperbolic, over the top, similar to the foolish way Trump speaks also.

Your mileage may vary. :shrug:

This is an especially ironic claim from Obama considering what's being made public about Obama and his administration's weaponization of federal agencies and use as political weapons.

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I saw nothing of Obama, that compares to Trump.

The key point is, "compared to Trump". I recently saw some posters malign Biden the other day because he mis-spoke conflating the number of deaths vs infected from the pandemic. The problem with that is, "compare to Trump"? There is no other alternative, it's a binary choice: Biden or Trump.

The left should upgrade our infrastructure. The right wing has mostly trade wars as foreign policy.

Chomsky said:

I saw nothing of Obama, that compares to Trump.

The key point is, "compared to Trump". I recently saw some posters malign Biden the other day because he mis-spoke conflating the number of deaths vs infected from the pandemic. The problem with that is, "compare to Trump"? There is no other alternative, it's a binary choice: Biden or Trump.

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Exactly, a blow hard or a senile idiot. It is not a good choice but Biden is not all there and that is extremely dangerous. I will take a good look at whoever the VP candidates are because at the age of these two men, the end could come any day. I like Pence, I will have to see who Biden comes up with.

BahamaBob said:

Exactly, a blow hard or a senile idiot. It is not a good choice but Biden is not all there and that is extremely dangerous. I will take a good look at whoever the VP candidates are because at the age of these two men, the end could come any day. I like Pence, I will have to see who Biden comes up with.

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Absolutely, and without a doubt. Veep is a real consideration with these two. I'm very disappointed the Dems could not present the country with a better choice. The good thing I believe with Biden though, is I suspect he would surround himself with better advisers and be more willing to take their advice.

I'm no fan of Pence & Trump, but I do believe Pence would make a competent enough stand-in for sitting behind the Resolute Desk. I'd take him over Trump, any day.

Indie guy said:

It's still too early to predict the outcome of the election but yes, there is a chance of the senate going democrat this time. If that happens I don't really want a democrat in the White House. Checks and balances are what's needed in the government, and one-party control of all branches is never good.

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I personally have become so aghast at the Republican Party, I would not want Trump or another Republican in the White House. But I very much respect your convictions in desiring a divided government. I very much felt the same way, until recent years.

swing_voter said:

Trump can't deal with people taking the spotlight from him, Joe Biden can.

Joe Biden can hire extraordinary people to get the economy back on track, something that Trump can't do.

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I am a Bernie Sanders person. No, not a Bernie BRO, but I did support Sanders both times because I wasn't very keen on Joe Biden.
But in the last few months I've seen enough to satisfy me that Biden listens.
As long as the guy listens, I'll be okay with him being President, and it appears he is listening to a wider and wider range of ideas, ideas that include some input from the progressive/left side.

So while I do not think he's as ideal a candidate as Bernie was, seeing that Bernie is supporting him and trying to help, and seeing that Biden is welcoming that input, I am satisfied enough to vote for him. I think that Biden will do his best to pick rational actors to help us through this.

Chomsky said:

I personally have become so aghast at the Republican Party, I would not want Trump or another Republican in the White House. But I very much respect your convictions in desiring a divided government. I very much felt the same way, until recent years.

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To me, personally...a "divided government" does not consist of two tribes at war with each other, or two tribes where one is perceived as declaring outright war on the other.

A divided government is where two sides COMPETE in the marketplace of ideas and then settle on something that benefits everyone as a whole, based on common ground after the dust settles.
A divided government consists of rivalries that work along accepted rules and settled values and shared respect for the rule of law.

And I too am okay with that, but that is NOT what we have right now, and we have not HAD any kind of divided government that meets that criteria since before 1994.

Wow, I voted Biden but was very surprised that not the only one. Trump is only a cheerleader, no substance. Am afraid of a big crash....

Checkerboard Strangler said:

To me, personally...a "divided government" does not consist of two tribes at war with each other, or two tribes where one is perceived as declaring outright war on the other.

A divided government is where two sides COMPETE in the marketplace of ideas and then settle on something that benefits everyone as a whole, based on common ground after the dust settles.
A divided government consists of rivalries that work along accepted rules and settled values and shared respect for the rule of law.

And I too am okay with that, but that is NOT what we have right now, and we have not HAD any kind of divided government that meets that criteria since before 1994.

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Yep. Agreed.

Chomsky said:

I saw nothing of Obama, that compares to Trump.

The key point is, "compared to Trump". I recently saw some posters malign Biden the other day because he mis-spoke conflating the number of deaths vs infected from the pandemic. The problem with that is, "compare to Trump"? There is no other alternative, it's a binary choice: Biden or Trump.

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Presidential elections really boil down to that binary choice, the winner usually is the one that people think will suck less.

eohrnberger said:

Presidential elections really boil down to that binary choice, the winner usually is the one that people think will suck less.

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Not really, until seemingly the last two cycles (inclusive of this one).

JFK, Reagan, Obama, all sparked movements of virtual positive adulation. So, I must respectfully disagree. However your premise is certainly true given the two elections with Trump. Actually, it just occurred to me he might be a common denominator! (jk)

aociswundumho said:

Neither will benefit the economy, but Trump will do far less damage. The ideal president would be one who would do nothing. As Adam Smith pointed out over 200 years ago:

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Does that mean no regulations?

Jay59 said:

As we start to painfully drag ourselves from COVID-19 induced isolation, the subject is turning to the damaged economy. This will be a major theme in the election this November. So, looking forward, which of the two top candidates do you trust more (or distrust less)?

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Trump is the obvious choice to rebuild the economy.

He has a proven track record.

Biden would be awful.