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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    When I suffered my first heart attack I was taken to a local private hospital and stabilized. Then my wife, my two lawyers, a couple of friends showed up, and after others made concerned phone calls I was transferred to NY Cornell Hospital, not yet merged with Columbia Presbyterian. The chief of cardiac surgery was waiting for me. Before telling me he was there as a favor to mutual friends who had called him, he saw the scars on my back and leg, recognized them for what they were, and said, "the hell with who you know, those scars earned you the best I can offer." He and his team got to work and saved my life. And did it again two months later. They had thought I suffered too much heart muscle loss to survive surgery, the second heart attack showed their initial estimate of damage was mistaken, the muscle was actually in shock, not responding or functioning, and not destroyed. They had believed I had lost 75% of my heart muscle, but it was actually 25%.

    I too have learned to hate hospital food. Fortunately for me, one of my good friends owns a very high end Indian restaurant. He started smuggling in superb vegetarian dinners with no salts, lightly spiced, but delicious, during my six week post surgery stay. He got caught by some nurses who gave him hell, but bribed his way back into their good graces with quality meals for all the staff on the floor. Even the nutritionist was impressed. I don't think his suave Saville Row suit, the ruby in his turban, didn't help, nor his fake Oxford accent and six foot dark good looks. When his son showed up for a visit, then rumored to be dating Lindsey Lohan, the nursing staff was in awe. Such silly stuff. When that surgeon met my wife, all he could say was "now I know why you had that heart attack. She is petite, but hell on wheels." I replied "she is my reason to live." He smiled and shook his head.
    I had been feeling fatiqued - rare for me - and then seemingly tripped on a dock, said "let me catch my breathe" before getting up. The Mrs responded by calling an ambulance - taking me to the local hospital. The doc there - only one on staff - said I had to be transported by helicopter (for speed) to a huge hospital about 70 miles. But it was bad weather. I heard the doctor say "what do you mean you don't fly in the rain?!" He told the ambulance "go fast." My heart. I have always been told I have blood pressure like a teenager.

    At the other hospital the doctor there only said these exact words: "We operation now or you die. Your chances are 50/50." My response was immediately, obvious and shorter. "Do it." I don't remember how many hours later - open heart surgery. Triple bypass.
    Way too young, but a comment my heart isn't oriented right but can't be changed. About 3 years ago - after 1, 2, 3 caths - on the 3rd the heart surgeon drew out the shape of my heart - also commenting it is isn't oriented right. He drew out 4 veins around the heart. "This one is blocked. This one is blocked and this one is blocked. We can't put in a stint. But this one here has branched out over here... and over here... and over here ... and over here." He said he's never seen anything like that, nothing really can be done about it. "I don't know why or what it means. For all I know, you'll live to 100." He wrote me out 6 prescriptions, shook my hand and said "good luck." What he meant is "you're on your own, there's nothing else we can do."

    It is very, very rare they will open up a chest again for bypass surgery. Even although I'm younger than most needing bypass surgery, I read many placed the human body doesn't take a person's rib cage being cut in half, pried wide open and the muscles radically stretched out. I was told that during that surgery, a specially literally manually pumps the heart with his hands and curiously was told all of those specialist from India.

    I take 5 of the 6. I actually do read and research side effects and one was just too great a risk - because I absolutely do not want to every be an invalid. When I leave this life, I want to drop like a rock. I do not fear death and had no fear - no emotion about it whatsoever when told "50/50" I would die as it would mean I'd just never wake up. If seen people die horrific slow deaths.
    Coronavirus still poses a low risk to the general public in the US.""If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship." "If you have tested negative for covid-19, there is no reason to wear a mask." Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of NIAID

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, we have far too many government regulations and hurdles in place. They were able to incorporate the private sector almost immediately. Lesson learned. We need to work on deregulation.
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that's probably the lesson you learn from everything.

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by Digger View Post
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that's probably the lesson you learn from everything.
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that you haven't read a single analysis of how countries that rolled out testing early were able to do it.

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I do not fear death and had no fear - no emotion about it whatsoever when told "50/50" I would die as it would mean I'd just never wake up. If seen people die horrific slow deaths.
    Doctors are not gods, tho we often expect such from them, and at time it is how they see themselves.

    I also do not fear death, tho I am not anxious to learn the next step, if any as we know it. I view pain as a sign of life, tho I also prefer to minimize it in my life as do most. If death were all that bad, everyone wouldn't do it.
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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    Doctors are not gods, tho we often expect such from them, and at time it is how they see themselves.

    I also do not fear death, tho I am not anxious to learn the next step, if any as we know it. I view pain as a sign of life, tho I also prefer to minimize it in my life as do most. If death were all that bad, everyone wouldn't do it.
    Coronavirus still poses a low risk to the general public in the US.""If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship." "If you have tested negative for covid-19, there is no reason to wear a mask." Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of NIAID

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I had been feeling fatiqued - rare for me - and then seemingly tripped on a dock, said "let me catch my breathe" before getting up. The Mrs responded by calling an ambulance - taking me to the local hospital. The doc there - only one on staff - said I had to be transported by helicopter (for speed) to a huge hospital about 70 miles. But it was bad weather. I heard the doctor say "what do you mean you don't fly in the rain?!" He told the ambulance "go fast." My heart. I have always been told I have blood pressure like a teenager.

    At the other hospital the doctor there only said these exact words: "We operation now or you die. Your chances are 50/50." My response was immediately, obvious and shorter. "Do it." I don't remember how many hours later - open heart surgery. Triple bypass.
    Way too young, but a comment my heart isn't oriented right but can't be changed. About 3 years ago - after 1, 2, 3 caths - on the 3rd the heart surgeon drew out the shape of my heart - also commenting it is isn't oriented right. He drew out 4 veins around the heart. "This one is blocked. This one is blocked and this one is blocked. We can't put in a stint. But this one here has branched out over here... and over here... and over here ... and over here." He said he's never seen anything like that, nothing really can be done about it. "I don't know why or what it means. For all I know, you'll live to 100." He wrote me out 6 prescriptions, shook my hand and said "good luck." What he meant is "you're on your own, there's nothing else we can do."

    It is very, very rare they will open up a chest again for bypass surgery. Even although I'm younger than most needing bypass surgery, I read many placed the human body doesn't take a person's rib cage being cut in half, pried wide open and the muscles radically stretched out. I was told that during that surgery, a specially literally manually pumps the heart with his hands and curiously was told all of those specialist from India.

    I take 5 of the 6. I actually do read and research side effects and one was just too great a risk - because I absolutely do not want to every be an invalid. When I leave this life, I want to drop like a rock. I do not fear death and had no fear - no emotion about it whatsoever when told "50/50" I would die as it would mean I'd just never wake up. If seen people die horrific slow deaths.
    I had just changed a flat tire, which I found to be exhausting. I had to take a break for a few minutes before I finished the job. After I finished I drove a couple miles to the grocery store and found myself still very fatigued and unable to recover. By the time I got back out to my vehicle in the grocery store parking lot I knew I was in trouble. I couldn't even see the phone to dial 911, I had to ask a stranger to help me.

    The next thing I remember was waking up 4 hours later as they were loading me into a helicopter that landed in the grocery store parking lot. I was flown to Anchorage. My heart had stopped twice. Once in the parking lot and once in the emergency room at the hospital. After a quintuple bypass and a handful of drugs, I was released 10 days after being taken to the hospital. That was five years ago.

    Life is about experiences. Some good, some bad. Like FatOldGuy said, even pain is a sign of life because it is just another experience. I'm glad to be alive because I'm not ready to stop experiencing, and there is more salmon I'm obliged to catch.

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by Glitch View Post
    I had just changed a flat tire, which I found to be exhausting. I had to take a break for a few minutes before I finished the job. After I finished I drove a couple miles to the grocery store and found myself still very fatigued and unable to recover. By the time I got back out to my vehicle in the grocery store parking lot I knew I was in trouble. I couldn't even see the phone to dial 911, I had to ask a stranger to help me.

    The next thing I remember was waking up 4 hours later as they were loading me into a helicopter that landed in the grocery store parking lot. I was flown to Anchorage. My heart had stopped twice. Once in the parking lot and once in the emergency room at the hospital. After a quintuple bypass and a handful of drugs, I was released 10 days after being taken to the hospital. That was five years ago.

    Life is about experiences. Some good, some bad. Like FatOldGuy said, even pain is a sign of life because it is just another experience. I'm glad to be alive because I'm not ready to stop experiencing, and there is more salmon I'm obliged to catch.
    Agreed. Life is a learning experience. Good experiences. Bad experiences. We learn for every minute we are awake. The question is does a person then use that accumulating knowledge? Knowledge is the one thing no one can take from - we tell our children that continuously. Academic learning is only a small part of that.

    Does a person THINK things thru - pulling on all their knowledge - which is always more? Does a person make pragmatic, even tactical decisions looking into the future - or are they stuck in ideological sloganism? Does the person ponder what would other people do it the situation? Or what could and should I do? What are risks? What the opportunities? Where it the gap in the wall? Personally, I believe life is a competition. Competition with others. Competition with reality. Competition with myself. But NEVER with my wife 'cause no man can win that one - and far, far worse would be if you did.

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So what were SK dictatorial actions?

    It did not lock down cities or regions. It just quarantined people who were infected
    South Korea did in fact push social distancing -- closing schools, banning groups and large events, suggesting that people stay home. They also aggressively tracked infected people, and blared out alerts with the names of newly confirmed cases, so people could voluntarily report for testing if they came into contact with an infected person.

    However, the government didn't need to actually enforce much of this, because -- shudder gasp! -- South Koreans have a high trust level with the government, as well as experience with SARS, and voluntarily did what they were told.
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    Young adults are so into themselves it seems. We (Mrs & I) were in a subway one time. There was a couple sitting at a table - I'd guess lates 60s to early 70s. Dressed like professional people. Everyone in line but us was age 30 or under - as were the people behind the counter.

    The older man at the table started maybe babbling sounds. His wife at first thought he was being silly, but it rapidly got worse, his facial expression went weird and like out of control, and then dropped his head uncontrollably, making sounds, tongue out, drooling. She was freaking out.

    Everyone saw this. What did those young adults do? Continued ordering their food and the young people beyond the counter acting like nothing was happening. Obviously the man was having a stroke - and bad one. I said loudly "dial 911 and tell them an elderly man is having a stroke." They all just looked me. "So I roared "YOU! (pointing to one of them behind the counter "CALL 911 this second, give the address and tell them an elderly man is having a stroke - or I'm going beat **** out you!" During this my wife rushed to the wife and I quickly but carefully laid the man on the floor - on his side - not knowing the condition in case his lungs were filling etc.

    The fella behind the counter did as I commanded. But everyone went back to ordering their food and the people behind the counter making it. An old man is probably dying on the floor - but they didn't give a ****. They just wanted their food. 911 got there fast, maybe 2 minutes. My wife asked his wife for a number to any relative or friend, getting the man's daughter, and my wife called her telling the situation - but no details other than he is being transported to the hospital (no mention of stroke) and learned from the paramedics where he was going to be transported informing his daughter. We stay with his wife until the paramedics left with him and her - letting her ride along. We asked if she needed anything out of their car and that we would make sure it's locked.

    Not ONE of those young adults did ANYTHING - nothing - but continue to get their food - though when anyone else came in I abrupted would declare in a commanding voice "Stay out! It's closed!" I'm actually not very empathetic by nature towards other men, but I was surprised at the total "ME ME ME ONLY ME! I want my sandwich!" apathy those young adults had as an older man was laying on the floor and his wife freaking only a few feet away.
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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Young adults are so into themselves it seems. We (Mrs & I) were in a subway one time. There was a couple sitting at a table - I'd guess lates 60s to early 70s. Dressed like professional people. Everyone in line but us was age 30 or under - as were the people behind the counter.

    The older man at the table started maybe babbling sounds. His wife at first thought he was being silly, but it rapidly got worse, his facial expression went weird and like out of control, and then dropped his head uncontrollably, making sounds, tongue out, drooling. She was freaking out.

    Everyone saw this. What did those young adults do? Continued ordering their food and the young people beyond the counter acting like nothing was happening. Obviously the man was having a stroke - and bad one. I said loudly "dial 911 and tell them an elderly man is having a stroke." They all just looked me. "So I roared "YOU! (pointing to one of them behind the counter "CALL 911 this second, give the address and tell them an elderly man is having a stroke - or I'm going beat **** out you!" During this my wife rushed to the wife and I quickly but carefully laid the man on the floor - on his side - not knowing the condition in case his lungs were filling etc.

    The fella behind the counter did as I commanded. But everyone went back to ordering their food and the people behind the counter making it. An old man is probably dying on the floor - but they didn't give a ****. They just wanted their food. 911 got there fast, maybe 2 minutes. My wife asked his wife for a number to any relative or friend, getting the man's daughter, and my wife called her telling the situation - but no details other than he is being transported to the hospital (no mention of stroke) and learned from the paramedics where he was going to be transported informing his daughter. We stay with his wife until the paramedics left with him and her - letting her ride along. We asked if she needed anything out of their car and that we would make sure it's locked.

    Not ONE of those young adults did ANYTHING - nothing - but continue to get their food - though when anyone else came in I abrupted would declare in a commanding voice "Stay out! It's closed!" I'm actually not very empathetic by nature towards other men, but I was surprised at the total "ME ME ME ONLY ME! I want my sandwich!" apathy those young adults had as an older man was laying on the floor and his wife freaking only a few feet away.
    I honestly don't remember a thing after asking a stranger to call 911 for me, until after I woke up 4 hours later. So I have no idea who might have helped me, beyond the EMT obviously. Somebody clearly called 911. I had my dogs with me, and animal control took them to the shelter for the 10 days I was in the hospital at no charge. The manager of the grocery store took the groceries I had bought out of my car, refunded my money, and locked up my car allowing it to stay on the lot until I got out of the hospital. So I did know about a few people who graciously helped me out, and I thanked them. There were probably others I didn't know about.

    I found it is also where you are located that determines whether or not someone is willing to help. When I lived in southern California, for example, nobody dared help anyone or they would be sued into oblivion. Californians are extremely litigious, and nobody wants that hassle. Whereas in the northern States that share a common hardship - Winter - people tend to be more gregarious and willing to help if needed. I have never passed someone in the ditch during the Winter without stopping to see if they are okay or if I can help them out, and I've had others stop prepared to help me when I was by the side of the road. That is not something you find in most southern States. So the environment and their geographical location plays a role in determining how helpful someone might be.

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