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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The KKK is a Democratic organization. Always has been. The KKK endorsed Clinton, not Trump. Trump blasted the KKK and David Duke over 2 decades ago, quitting a political organization when David Duke joined. Bill Clinton openly sought the vote of Confederate flag flyers.
    You ever meet anyone that belongs to the KKK or Ayran Nations? I doubt it or you would not be ignorant enought to claim they are Liberals.

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Every news article states that SK has been testing heavily that they are making the testing kits.
    No argument after initial claims when they weren't making kits. What is, and what is being reported may be very different numbers. However, first considering the population and cultural differences, how well would SK's dictatorial actions function here?
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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The KKK is a Democratic organization. Always has been. The KKK endorsed Clinton, not Trump. Trump blasted the KKK and David Duke over 2 decades ago, quitting a political organization when David Duke joined. Bill Clinton openly sought the vote of Confederate flag flyers.
    That guy needs to iron his sheets.
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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    No argument after initial claims when they weren't making kits. What is, and what is being reported may be very different numbers. However, first considering the population and cultural differences, how well would SK's dictatorial actions function here?
    So what were SK dictatorial actions?

    It did not lock down cities or regions. It just quarantined people who were infected
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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    So in Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, if you were found to have a fever, the government would quarantine you for 14 days. No physical contact with another human.

    This combined with self distancing like we do in America effectively stopped the virus in its tracks. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are virus free.

    Would you be okay with getting locked up for 14 days if it stopped the virus in two week's time? If you were infected?
    Um, I don't think that's true:

    SINGAPORE/DHAKA (Reuters) - Migrant workers living in vast Singapore dormitories cut off from the outside world due to the coronavirus outbreak fear their cramped and squalid quarters are fast becoming a hotbed for infection.

    Singapore on Sunday said it had quarantined nearly 20,000 workers in two dormitories, made up of mainly Bangladeshi and other South Asian manual workers, after they were linked to at least 90 infections.

    The government said the action was needed to prevent broader transmission in the city-state - which is closing schools and offices this week due to a spike in cases - and said it had taken measures to reduce worker interaction in the dormitories and ensure they received salary, meals and medical support.

    Migrant workers fear massive Singapore dormitory lockdown is coronavirus time bomb
    So they have these migrant workers all quarantined together in a couple of dormitories to the point that Amnesty International is on their ass.
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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by OldFatGuy View Post
    I'm here, you're not. The only "epic" is in the media and the subsequent fear in the minds of people. 38k, 65k or 130k cases, infinitesimal percentages of the overall population. My oldest son runs a trauma unit at a major hospital in Manhattan, my oldest daughter a Nurse practitioner at the same hospital and my younger daughter an RN at the same hospital. All three are complaining that 70% of the admitted patients are self appointed VIP hypochondriacs.

    What is epic is my having to fight off three women when I grabbed one of the last packages of Charmin at Stop and Pee, and then fought off two others in the parking lot, to keep it.

    I was brought into the ER at that same hospital by ambulance the year of the Staten Island Ferry crash. It was flu season, and patients were being treated on the hallway floors with ventilators. Then the crash victims started arriving, covered in blood with no place to put them or triage their condition. I was laying on the floor by the front desk, until the chief of the electro cardiac unit saw my name pop on a computer, and he personally escorted me up to the cardiac unit. He had personally installed my first pacemaker, my second, and I was on the way to him for a check of the unit, when I collapsed at Penn Station. So yes, the flu does have hospital staffs setting up ventilators and IVs in hallways every year. The rest, political hyperbole and over caution thanks to all that hyperbole...
    Who you are definitely matters. The best hospital anywhere around is a very large private hospital.

    During a Roaring 20s party, one of the older women said she felt faint and has pain in her chest. We dashed to that ER - almost an hour away at 150 mph on empty back country roads (in a car that will do 200+) Mercedes. Obviously not a cheap car. Coming along was a new Escalade. And another big new Mercedes. In case of a break down plus us all concerned friends. Ignoring the ambulance only sign, all three stopped out the all glass front - only maybe 60 feet from the desk. We were ALL dressed to kill. Men in Tuxedos. Women covered in jewelry in flashy gowns. No insurance, but flashed a lot hundred dollar bills, platinum type credit cards, even telling "here's a blank check, call the bank" - all doing that.

    Immediate admission. The room was a corner room like a Hilton suite. All medical stuff behind find oiled wood mahogany paneling. Big windows overlook a park. Fold out couch. Big recliner. Tables and chairs - and nurses check in every 10 minutes or so - asking if ANYONE needed anything? Coffee? Soda? Something to eat, pillows? Blankets? Sure, the billed the hell out her! When asked what she wanted for dinner, she tease "Steak and lobster.' They got it for her!!Turned out it was just an anxiety attack. But "to be on the safe side" they keep two nights. Every imaginable test that isn't unpleasant. LOTS of blood lab work particularly. I think 3, maybe 4 doctors spoke to her numerous times. I think her bill was well over $200,000. For an anxiety attack. Nothing a tad of morphine and a valium can't cure. LOL

    Next time I was there, I showed up it happened to be on the charity morning - no appointment because it came on fast and I was in nearby. I could, like that woman, pay anything they charged. But no one asked. I was dressed in clean but street clothing. No one even asked how I could pay. Admissions was filled mostly with really old people in wheelchairs on oxygen and most looked in very bad shape. It said on a big sign "tell the desk if you are experiencing chest pain." I said to the person at the desk that I have a heart condition and have chest pains. In a monotone voice he told me to use the computer display on the other side of the room. It, too, said to tell the desk if you are having chest pains - and a big box to check if you are having chest pains. I checked yes. Nothing happened.

    Four hours later I was seen - and then, only then was the 1 minute EKG done. Yes, a bit of a problem and was admitted. I learned long ago never really say "I got lots of money" because that is intensely offense and surgeons probably would tell you to go to hell. Rather, it just has to be perceived or somehow just known by clues OR if the finance desk sometimes you have to talk to first asks you. There you can say "I can pay whatever it is, you can confirm it with my bank. Here's credit card. Even a blank check." But that stage was skipped.

    Turned out not life threatening. No surgery other than a cath done (technically surgery but not really - not like ripping open your chest and someone pumping your heart with his hand while surgeons do their thing)- did a little bit of clean out on a vein. No private room of course. Just a bed in a long row off beds divided by sliding thin sheet like curtains. And they got me out of there fast. I did get one hospital meal and you know how yummy those are - all 900 calories. LOL
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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Do I have a problem with that economic discrimination?

    Yes and No. Yes, because it takes 1 minute to do an EKG. They should have done that immediately to at least know if I was having a heart attack because even if not dying irreparable damage to the heart muscle can be done. For chest pains, always and EKG as that says whether it definitely is life critical or not.

    Otherwise? No. I have no problem with economic discrimination. If not life threatening, waiting 3, 4, 5,6, 8 hours or more is ok if I was a pauper - since I was with all paupers.

    This is a capitalistic society. For it to function, there must be reward for success - or as the saying goes "beggars can't be choosy." If everyone gets exactly the same thing - why should anyone work, take risks, bother to pursue success? Why save any money - if it is worthless and gets the same as an alcoholic bum who was an alcoholic bum his entire life? There is nothing fair about a meth head who gets by peddling meth, stealing stuff and other petty crimes as a bum - and the person who works 75 hours a week for 10 years - being treated identically when neither life is on the line. This is a huge reason I oppose universal government healthcare. If not life critical, I think people should be able to buy their way to the head of the line. Life-critical is an entirely different matter.
    Coronavirus still poses a low risk to the general public in the US.""If you are a healthy young person, there is no reason if you want to go on a cruise ship, go on a cruise ship." "If you have tested negative for covid-19, there is no reason to wear a mask." Dr. Anthony Fauci, Director of NIAID

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by swing_voter View Post
    So in Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, if you were found to have a fever, the government would quarantine you for 14 days. No physical contact with another human.

    This combined with self distancing like we do in America effectively stopped the virus in its tracks. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore are virus free.

    Would you be okay with getting locked up for 14 days if it stopped the virus in two week's time? If you were infected?
    I would not mind if I got the virus and needed to be locked up. But I am an old man and don't have kids to feed and payments to make, so I cannot answer for poor working stiffs who must somehow find a way to pay their bills so those depending on those payments do not also have trouble paying their bills, and so forth.

    My daughter is a nurse supervisor in our town. She works with the elderly. Five nurses in her department have tested positive for the virus, and one of them is in intensive care on a ventilator. My daughter began showing symptoms a few days ago and was tested as well. She will find out the results tomorrow. If all the staff members get sick and have to be quarantined then we might as well shoot those old people as let them die slowly with nobody there to take care of them.

    Several of those nurses have young children and their children may have been exposed because of the exposure those nurses have risked to help those elderly people. My hat goes off to the brave medical professionals and their families who are putting their lives on the line at great risk just to help other people who are already sick and dying.
    Last edited by marke; 04-06-20 at 11:56 PM.

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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So what were SK dictatorial actions?

    It did not lock down cities or regions. It just quarantined people who were infected
    When government forces citizens to any specific actions, it is dictatorial. This does not discuss the beneficence of such dictatorial actions, and only serves to point out that they are dictatorial. In our country, we quarantined immigrants, fearing infections of small pox, typhus, tuberculosis and so on for six months with no due process. Dictatorial behavior, "for the public good." Towns quarantined typhoid victims, and when they died, burnt down their homes with their bodies laying inside. No due process for "the public good." Dictatorial behavior.

    In our nation today, there are many who will defy dictatorial orders, at whatever the cost. The best we can truly hope for is voluntary isolation upon advice and request. And there will be those who do not agree and comply voluntarily to that advice and requests. This is not South Korea, Singapore or comparable to anywhere else. There is no denying that our nation has many who do not trust governments at all, with good reasons.
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    Re: Quarantine the infectious

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Who you are definitely matters. The best hospital anywhere around is a very large private hospital.

    I did get one hospital meal and you know how yummy those are - all 900 calories. LOL
    When I suffered my first heart attack I was taken to a local private hospital and stabilized. Then my wife, my two lawyers, a couple of friends showed up, and after others made concerned phone calls I was transferred to NY Cornell Hospital, not yet merged with Columbia Presbyterian. The chief of cardiac surgery was waiting for me. Before telling me he was there as a favor to mutual friends who had called him, he saw the scars on my back and leg, recognized them for what they were, and said, "the hell with who you know, those scars earned you the best I can offer." He and his team got to work and saved my life. And did it again two months later. They had thought I suffered too much heart muscle loss to survive surgery, the second heart attack showed their initial estimate of damage was mistaken, the muscle was actually in shock, not responding or functioning, and not destroyed. They had believed I had lost 75% of my heart muscle, but it was actually 25%.

    I too have learned to hate hospital food. Fortunately for me, one of my good friends owns a very high end Indian restaurant. He started smuggling in superb vegetarian dinners with no salts, lightly spiced, but delicious, during my six week post surgery stay. He got caught by some nurses who gave him hell, but bribed his way back into their good graces with quality meals for all the staff on the floor. Even the nutritionist was impressed. I don't think his suave Saville Row suit, the ruby in his turban, didn't help, nor his fake Oxford accent and six foot dark good looks. When his son showed up for a visit, then rumored to be dating Lindsey Lohan, the nursing staff was in awe. Such silly stuff. When that surgeon met my wife, all he could say was "now I know why you had that heart attack. She is petite, but hell on wheels." I replied "she is my reason to live." He smiled and shook his head.
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