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Shut down "Wet Markets?"

Should the world force China to close these "wet markets?"

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    Votes: 8 16.0%

  • Yes, shut down the wet markets

    Votes: 37 74.0%

  • No, wet markets are a Chinese tradition

    Votes: 5 10.0%
  • Total voters
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We've had waves of viruses that cross the world, infecting millions of people and killing hundreds of thousands. SARS, MERS and now COVID-19.

All of these viruses originated in Chinese "wet markets" where exotic animals are sold for consumption. People live in close contact with these animals and viruses "jump" from the animals to humans, starting deadly plagues.

Should the world force China to close these "wet markets?" Boycotting China would be one way to get them to comply.
 
Yes, they should. I do not have a right to sell butchered bald eagles or grizzly bear cubs from a roadside stand to passers-by, and for good reason. Whether they shut them down or not (which I hope they do because they are centers of unbelievable animal cruelty), we should uncouple ourselves economically from China as much as possible.
 
swing_voter said:
We've had waves of viruses that cross the world, infecting millions of people and killing hundreds of thousands. SARS, MERS and now COVID-19.

All of these viruses originated in Chinese "wet markets" where exotic animals are sold for consumption. People live in close contact with these animals and viruses "jump" from the animals to humans, starting deadly plagues.

Should the world force China to close these "wet markets?" Boycotting China would be one way to get them to comply.
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Boycotting our major source of medical care supplies and drugs might not be such a great idea just now. ;)
 
swing_voter said:
We've had waves of viruses that cross the world, infecting millions of people and killing hundreds of thousands. SARS, MERS and now COVID-19.

All of these viruses originated in Chinese "wet markets" where exotic animals are sold for consumption. People live in close contact with these animals and viruses "jump" from the animals to humans, starting deadly plagues.

Should the world force China to close these "wet markets?" Boycotting China would be one way to get them to comply.
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Good luck shutting the wet markets down.
Instead of a boycott, we should bring manufacturing back to the states.
 
swing_voter said:
We've had waves of viruses that cross the world, infecting millions of people and killing hundreds of thousands. SARS, MERS and now COVID-19.

All of these viruses originated in Chinese "wet markets" where exotic animals are sold for consumption. People live in close contact with these animals and viruses "jump" from the animals to humans, starting deadly plagues.

Should the world force China to close these "wet markets?" Boycotting China would be one way to get them to comply.
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You have to understand that the Chinese don’t GAF.
 
swing_voter said:
We've had waves of viruses that cross the world, infecting millions of people and killing hundreds of thousands. SARS, MERS and now COVID-19.

All of these viruses originated in Chinese "wet markets" where exotic animals are sold for consumption. People live in close contact with these animals and viruses "jump" from the animals to humans, starting deadly plagues.

Should the world force China to close these "wet markets?" Boycotting China would be one way to get them to comply.
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I see you said we should force China to shut them down.
What's the definition of "force"?
Give them an ultimatum, an offer they can't refuse?
 
trixare4kids said:
I see you said we should force China to shut them down.
What's the definition of "force"?
Give them an ultimatum, an offer they can't refuse?
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I specified "Boycotting China would be one way to get them to comply." in the OP.
 
Outlook said:
Good luck shutting the wet markets down.
Instead of a boycott, we should bring manufacturing back to the states.
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Yup, all we need is workers willing to earn 50¢ an hour.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Boycotting our major source of medical care supplies and drugs might not be such a great idea just now. ;)
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As soon as we get those manufactories relocated there should be some good old fashioned payback.
 
Its a bit remarkable that in todays day and age even a place like China would allow that **** to still go on.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Yup, all we need is workers willing to earn 50¢ an hour.
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They employ thousands at a time and use simple cheap tools.

3M makes masks in the states, faster than the Chinese at their factories and better quality. With a far smaller workforce. Its a matter of investing in the machinery. Thats a major capital cost.
 
Outlook said:
Good luck shutting the wet markets down.
Instead of a boycott, we should bring manufacturing back to the states.
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Manufacturing in the US is doing fine:

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Industrial Capacity: Total index (CAPB50001SQ) | FRED | St. Louis Fed
 
PirateMk1 said:
As soon as we get those manufactories relocated there should be some good old fashioned payback.
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Yep, perhaps by about 2035, unless we relax a bit after the current crisis dies down.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Yup, all we need is workers willing to earn 50¢ an hour.
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I believe the average factory worker in China makes about $4 per hour now - high enough where Chinese factory owners often outsource to Vietnam, the Philippines, and other lower cost countries.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Yep, perhaps by about 2035, unless we relax a bit after the current crisis dies down.
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I pretty sure some will be relocated really quickly. Might even start a stampede. There are more than a few very pissed off hairless monkeys who very much want Chinese heads on sticks.
 
PirateMk1 said:
They employ thousands at a time and use simple cheap tools.

3M makes masks in the states, faster than the Chinese at their factories and better quality. With a far smaller workforce. Its a matter of investing in the machinery. Thats a major capital cost.
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The cotton Chinese masks cost 12¢ each to make, the 3M rayon/polyester masks 32¢ each from 3D printers. Both sell wholesale for $1 each. Street peddlers are selling the cotton masks here for $10 per pop. None have the 3M masks, but they do have counterfeits from Haiti selling for $15 a pop. Not even the Haitians know what they are made from.

My grandkids want me to buy them a 3D printer, for about $1,200. Scares the heck out me. They are already dangerous.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I pretty sure some will be relocated really quickly. Might even start a stampede. There are more than a few very pissed off hairless monkeys who very much want Chinese heads on sticks.
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There are also those with loads of campaign cash now making huge profits selling Chinese made goods or goods made elsewhere (including here) with Chinese made parts.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
There are also those with loads of campaign cash now making huge profits selling Chinese made goods or goods made elsewhere (including here) with Chinese made parts.
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Yea, there is. You are very right on that point. However considering our current situation, I thinks its reasonable to say that money will not go near as far as it used to. The money to oppose the Chinese interests will go much farther and find many more sympathetic ears.
 
aociswundumho said:
Manufacturing in the US is doing fine:
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Yesterday's reports showed US manufacturing orders dropped as much as 20% during the last 6 weeks, for an average drop of 10% for the quarter. With retailers shutdown across the country in major urban markets, that drop will increase over the short run. How long recovery will take? Anyone's guess.

How many shoppers are walking into car dealerships, foreign or domestic? My Cadillac dealer called offering any car on his lot for 50% off the msrp. I drive a mid 2011 Caddy in primo shape. I don't have the need or the desire, but I am tempted by that offer. My car is hot, with a book of $45k, almost what I paid for it. I could trade into a new Caddy and walk away with cash in my pockets. A neighbor got a similar offer from his BMW dealer.
 
PirateMk1 said:
Yea, there is. You are very right on that point. However considering our current situation, I thinks its reasonable to say that money will not go near as far as it used to. The money to oppose the Chinese interests will go much farther and find many more sympathetic ears.
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Yep, and comprehensive immigration reform will happen any day now. ;)
 
swing_voter said:
We've had waves of viruses that cross the world, infecting millions of people and killing hundreds of thousands. SARS, MERS and now COVID-19.

All of these viruses originated in Chinese "wet markets" where exotic animals are sold for consumption. People live in close contact with these animals and viruses "jump" from the animals to humans, starting deadly plagues.

Should the world force China to close these "wet markets?" Boycotting China would be one way to get them to comply.
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I voted yes on behalf of animal cruelty in general however there's no way to enforce this globally.

And it's not even the most common means of viruses crossing into humans. Contact when encroaching into new habitats, butchering and eating bush meat, and agriculture are all major sources.
 
OldFatGuy said:
The cotton Chinese masks cost 12¢ each to make, the 3M rayon/polyester masks 32¢ each from 3D printers. Both sell wholesale for $1 each. Street peddlers are selling the cotton masks here for $10 per pop. None have the 3M masks, but they do have counterfeits from Haiti selling for $15 a pop. Not even the Haitians know what they are made from.

My grandkids want me to buy them a 3D printer, for about $1,200. Scares the heck out me. They are already dangerous.
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I own several 3D printers for building parts out various materials including turbine blisks and blades. I use them in combination with 6 axis CNC machines an industrial autoclave and others. They are quite flexible and that is their strength. Mass manufacturing is not really a strength, yet. Modern computerized machinery is definitely a marvel though. It speeds the prototyping process up dramatically, when coupled with computerized material simulations, things are done at speeds not even possible 5 years ago.

If I were you I would get a 3D printer to play with yourself. I use my personal machine, a smaller thermoplastic printer, to print all sorts of plastic repair and replacement projects. Its great for prototyping brackets and such. If your wife is into crafting and the like, she might borrow it from you.
 
OldFatGuy said:
Yup, all we need is workers willing to earn 50¢ an hour.
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Yes, that was and still is the defense of slavery. As long as they're not white and our slaves making our products cheap also are run by American task masters in other countries it's ok because those races were born to make our slave labor products on the cheap.

It is a win-win for everyone involved if an American is laid off due to 50 cent an hour foreign products. The companies that operate that factory - Chinese and American owners win. The person laid off and no longer having any income wins too - because even better that having a job and income is having a coupon for 25% off anything not made in America.

"You are permanently laid off, but we included a 25% off coupon for any product made in China with your termination noti." What person wouldn't jump for joy at that windfall discount rushing home with the great news: "Honey, I got laid off but I got a discount coupon!" Time for them to celebrate their big win in life because some day they might be able use it. Somehow.

This is the solution to social security too. Eliminate all social security payments, but send them a 25% off coupon for anything they buy the government would pay as a co-pay. They only have to come up with other 75% - provided the product was not made in the USA. Everyone wins that way. This would cover all their living expenses. Somehow.

Explain how to me, I don't exactly understand your theory.
 
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OldFatGuy said:
Yesterday's reports showed US manufacturing orders dropped as much as 20% during the last 6 weeks, for an average drop of 10% for the quarter. With retailers shutdown across the country in major urban markets, that drop will increase over the short run. How long recovery will take? Anyone's guess.

How many shoppers are walking into car dealerships, foreign or domestic? My Cadillac dealer called offering any car on his lot for 50% off the msrp. I drive a mid 2011 Caddy in primo shape. I don't have the need or the desire, but I am tempted by that offer. My car is hot, with a book of $45k, almost what I paid for it. I could trade into a new Caddy and walk away with cash in my pockets. A neighbor got a similar offer from his BMW dealer.
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One of those 198 mph Caddiacs? Is it reliable? My 220 mph '05 W215 CL65 Mercedes is absurdly not reliable to the extreme, for which their book value (194 ever made) are thru the floor.
 
PirateMk1 said:
I own several 3D printers for building parts out various materials including turbine blisks and blades. I use them in combination with 6 axis CNC machines an industrial autoclave and others. They are quite flexible and that is their strength. Mass manufacturing is not really a strength, yet. Modern computerized machinery is definitely a marvel though. It speeds the prototyping process up dramatically, when coupled with computerized material simulations, things are done at speeds not even possible 5 years ago.

If I were you I would get a 3D printer to play with yourself. I use my personal machine, a smaller thermoplastic printer, to print all sorts of plastic repair and replacement projects. Its great for prototyping brackets and such. If your wife is into crafting and the like, she might borrow it from you.
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I really won't have much use for one, the grandkids, another story. I hand carve guitar parts, mostly by eye, and that's about it. The only crafts my wife is into is designing textiles, making designer quality clothes, and doing her nails. She has two computers for her work here, more at her office, a high end sewing machine, prefers to cut by hand, and full manicure set with enough nail different polish bottles to sink a battleship. These days, regardless of the lockdown, she works maybe 2 days a week. For the fees she charges, she amazes me that she works at all.
 
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